town trying to regulate what color you can paint your house.

waggy

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http://www.dallasnews.com/shar...etfbpaint.3641f66.html

Neon greens, bright pinks, electric blues ? the colors may look dazzling on tropical fish, but some Farmers Branch residents would rather not see them on their neighbors' houses.

When you paint your house some fluorescent or garish color scheme, you negatively affect my [home] value," said Robin Bernier, who with fellow resident Matt Burton has asked the City Council to consider requiring permits and color approval before residents can repaint.

Others, however, bristle at the idea of policing pigments.

"There is no compelling public purpose to infringe on my property rights and freedom of expression," former council member Carol Dingman said.

Alma Salazar, whose burgundy shutters look more like purple to one irritated neighbor, called the request to regulate paint color "just plain stupid."

And business owner Elizabeth Villafranca perceived it as another jab at Hispanics in a city that has targeted illegal immigration.

"We know who has the bright colors," she said after the council meeting. "Latin Americans."

The author Sandra Cisneros, for example, famously painted her historical home in San Antonio periwinkle purple.

But the residents pushing the Farmers Branch paint initiative say their concern is home values and neighborhoods, not ethnicity.

The council listened to both sides last week but gave no indication of whether it might act.

"There has been no discussion ... as to whether we'll take this up, other than asking the attorneys what are the legal parameters," council member David Koch said. Although color enforcement is common among homeowners associations and historical districts, several code enforcement officials in the Dallas area said they hadn't heard of a Texas city doing it.

But Farmers Branch doesn't always follow other cities. In the last year or so, it has implemented some of the area's toughest property maintenance rules. And it was the first U.S. city to put to a public vote a ban on renting to illegal immigrants. (The measure passed easily, but legal challenges have blocked enforcement.)

Around town, opinions vary on the paint color issue. Tom Bohmier, who lives near a house with a bright blue garage, said he didn't want his neighbors "for whatever reason, mental incompetence or poor judgment, to paint their house electric something."

Neighbor Martina De Los Santos, who lives across the street from that house, said she didn't necessarily like the color scheme but didn't think the city should dictate color.

"If they want to do something like that, they should ask the community and make the rules together," she said.

Resident Bill Sheveland voiced concern about how a city would determine appropriate colors "without appearing to come down on a culture that happens to have a different attitude toward color."

Community services director Michael Spicer said the city considered paint rules a couple of years ago but got little encouragement from the city attorney. Carrollton did, too, environmental services director Scott Hudson said, but "there seemed to be so many enforcement questions."

Garland code compliance director Steve Killen said that state law doesn't bar paint color regulation but that his city doesn't do it except to ensure consistency: "If you want to paint your house the most hideous color you can think of, that is allowed. But you can't paint that house a hideous color and then make a repair and paint that white, that one little piece."

Mr. Killen said Garland hasn't gone further because "it's difficult to place any type of prohibition on something that is simply based on a person's personal preference."

Neely Blackman, president of the Code Enforcement Association of Texas, said he knew of no evidence that house color makes a difference in property values. "Now neighbors make a difference," he said, citing issues such as junk cars.

Mr. Blackman said it's usually young white residents who choose bright colors, not Hispanics: "Their homes are no brighter than any other neighborhood's homes."

Daytona Beach Shores, Fla., and Lilburn, Ga., do have permit systems. In the Florida city, anyone who wants to paint his house must select from a palette of several hundred colors.

"Some of the brights are OK," code enforcement supervisor Gwyn Herstein said. "It's some of the fringe colors people might choose to stand out significantly that we were trying to prevent."

Lilburn adopted a palette of 56 colors, mostly earth tones. "You can still paint a house polka dot in our city, but it can only be certain colors," said planning and zoning director Howard Brown.

Some Farmers Branch residents suggested the city should focus not on which colors to allow but on which ones to ban.

Rick Johnson takes issue with three houses in his neighborhood: a pale yellow one with black doors and trim and a red roof, a brick home with bright blue shutters, and a third with trim that, to his eye, appears purple.

Ms. Salazar, who owns the third home, said most other houses in the neighborhood have brown or black trim. "I just don't want to be a copycat," she said.

Council member Koch said regulating color might be tricky.

"I was ... thinking of a house I renovated," he said. "The predominant color was beige; our shutters were a teal, or a dusty greenish blue. Somebody might look at that and say, 'Eww!' Others might look at that and say that's a good combination. It becomes a very subjective benchmark."








whoa! i can understand HOA's but the town trying to force what colors?

Im not sure on the race issue. but i would be pissed off if they tried to say what color i can or couldnt have.

not to mention i think the law would get struck down.
 

TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: waggy
http://www.dallasnews.com/shar...etfbpaint.3641f66.html

Neon greens, bright pinks, electric blues ? the colors may look dazzling on tropical fish, but some Farmers Branch residents would rather not see them on their neighbors' houses.

When you paint your house some fluorescent or garish color scheme, you negatively affect my [home] value," said Robin Bernier, who with fellow resident Matt Burton has asked the City Council to consider requiring permits and color approval before residents can repaint.

Others, however, bristle at the idea of policing pigments.

"There is no compelling public purpose to infringe on my property rights and freedom of expression," former council member Carol Dingman said.

Alma Salazar, whose burgundy shutters look more like purple to one irritated neighbor, called the request to regulate paint color "just plain stupid."

And business owner Elizabeth Villafranca perceived it as another jab at Hispanics in a city that has targeted illegal immigration.

"We know who has the bright colors," she said after the council meeting. "Latin Americans."

The author Sandra Cisneros, for example, famously painted her historical home in San Antonio periwinkle purple.

But the residents pushing the Farmers Branch paint initiative say their concern is home values and neighborhoods, not ethnicity.

The council listened to both sides last week but gave no indication of whether it might act.

"There has been no discussion ... as to whether we'll take this up, other than asking the attorneys what are the legal parameters," council member David Koch said. Although color enforcement is common among homeowners associations and historical districts, several code enforcement officials in the Dallas area said they hadn't heard of a Texas city doing it.

But Farmers Branch doesn't always follow other cities. In the last year or so, it has implemented some of the area's toughest property maintenance rules. And it was the first U.S. city to put to a public vote a ban on renting to illegal immigrants. (The measure passed easily, but legal challenges have blocked enforcement.)

Around town, opinions vary on the paint color issue. Tom Bohmier, who lives near a house with a bright blue garage, said he didn't want his neighbors "for whatever reason, mental incompetence or poor judgment, to paint their house electric something."

Neighbor Martina De Los Santos, who lives across the street from that house, said she didn't necessarily like the color scheme but didn't think the city should dictate color.

"If they want to do something like that, they should ask the community and make the rules together," she said.

Resident Bill Sheveland voiced concern about how a city would determine appropriate colors "without appearing to come down on a culture that happens to have a different attitude toward color."

Community services director Michael Spicer said the city considered paint rules a couple of years ago but got little encouragement from the city attorney. Carrollton did, too, environmental services director Scott Hudson said, but "there seemed to be so many enforcement questions."

Garland code compliance director Steve Killen said that state law doesn't bar paint color regulation but that his city doesn't do it except to ensure consistency: "If you want to paint your house the most hideous color you can think of, that is allowed. But you can't paint that house a hideous color and then make a repair and paint that white, that one little piece."

Mr. Killen said Garland hasn't gone further because "it's difficult to place any type of prohibition on something that is simply based on a person's personal preference."

Neely Blackman, president of the Code Enforcement Association of Texas, said he knew of no evidence that house color makes a difference in property values. "Now neighbors make a difference," he said, citing issues such as junk cars.

Mr. Blackman said it's usually young white residents who choose bright colors, not Hispanics: "Their homes are no brighter than any other neighborhood's homes."

Daytona Beach Shores, Fla., and Lilburn, Ga., do have permit systems. In the Florida city, anyone who wants to paint his house must select from a palette of several hundred colors.

"Some of the brights are OK," code enforcement supervisor Gwyn Herstein said. "It's some of the fringe colors people might choose to stand out significantly that we were trying to prevent."

Lilburn adopted a palette of 56 colors, mostly earth tones. "You can still paint a house polka dot in our city, but it can only be certain colors," said planning and zoning director Howard Brown.

Some Farmers Branch residents suggested the city should focus not on which colors to allow but on which ones to ban.

Rick Johnson takes issue with three houses in his neighborhood: a pale yellow one with black doors and trim and a red roof, a brick home with bright blue shutters, and a third with trim that, to his eye, appears purple.

Ms. Salazar, who owns the third home, said most other houses in the neighborhood have brown or black trim. "I just don't want to be a copycat," she said.

Council member Koch said regulating color might be tricky.

"I was ... thinking of a house I renovated," he said. "The predominant color was beige; our shutters were a teal, or a dusty greenish blue. Somebody might look at that and say, 'Eww!' Others might look at that and say that's a good combination. It becomes a very subjective benchmark."








whoa! i can understand HOA's but the town trying to force what colors?

Im not sure on the race issue. but i would be pissed off if they tried to say what color i can or couldnt have.

not to mention i think the law would get struck down.

please dont paint your house puke orange. It WOULD suck if you bought a house for $X and then everyone around you painted their homes different shades of barf. I think it would definately decrease the value of the home.

 

waggy

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
please dont paint your house puke orange. It WOULD suck if you bought a house for $X and then everyone around you painted their homes different shades of barf. I think it would definately decrease the value of the home.

if you don't want the guy next door painting it puke orange move into a HOA.


otherwise you should have NO say in what color i paint my house.
 

ZzZGuy

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There should be a limit as to what color/pattern you can paint you house. Most often people will practice common sense in their choice, but there are those who lack this reasoning ability and need to be informed "change it before someone burns your house down for it being a sin against all that is holy".

I'm talking about extreme cases such as neon green with purple stripes going across at a 30 degree angle from the ground. I'd have to see this town and the houses that got the locals panties in a bunch to tell if the law is warranted, but I'd guess there is a problem but not bad enough to start banning colors.
 

kranky

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You can see how far we've drifted from the traditional concept of property rights when a topic like this gets even one minute of discussion in a government setting. Disgusting.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
There should be a limit as to what color/pattern you can paint you house. Most often people will practice common sense in their choice, but there are those who lack this reasoning ability and need to be informed "change it before someone burns your house down for it being a sin against all that is holy".

I'm talking about extreme cases such as neon green with purple stripes going across at a 30 degree angle from the ground. I'd have to see this town and the houses that got the locals panties in a bunch to tell if the law is warranted, but I'd guess there is a problem but not bad enough to start banning colors.

no there should not be a limit. ITS MY FUCKING HOUSE. i pay the mortgage i pay the taxes i have to keep up the property.

if i want to paint it neon green with purple stripes that is my right.


the only person who has a right to say what i do with it (long as its within safety codes anyway) i smy wife.

not you. not anyone.

its really sad that crap like this is happening. i have to agree with kranky, its fucking disgusting.
 

Agentbolt

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Unless you live somewhere with a housing association that you've signed a contract with, this discussion shouldn't even BE a discussion. You can paint your house whatever fucking color you want. Christ.
 

LumbergTech

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
There should be a limit as to what color/pattern you can paint you house. Most often people will practice common sense in their choice, but there are those who lack this reasoning ability and need to be informed "change it before someone burns your house down for it being a sin against all that is holy".

I'm talking about extreme cases such as neon green with purple stripes going across at a 30 degree angle from the ground. I'd have to see this town and the houses that got the locals panties in a bunch to tell if the law is warranted, but I'd guess there is a problem but not bad enough to start banning colors.

no there should not be a limit. ITS MY FUCKING HOUSE. i pay the mortgage i pay the taxes i have to keep up the property.

if i want to paint it neon green with purple stripes that is my right.


the only person who has a right to say what i do with it (long as its within safety codes anyway) i smy wife.

not you. not anyone.

its really sad that crap like this is happening. i have to agree with kranky, its fucking disgusting.

yes it is crappy, but a lot of places to even move into a neighborhood you have to be a part of the stupid little group they have and you agree to not paint your house any color but what they allow ..simply by moving in..

to me its the most ridiculous bunch of shit ive ever heard, but some people have tunnel vision and only care about the value of a home and not the value of a home to the home owner even if that is not only measured in dollars
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
There should be a limit as to what color/pattern you can paint you house. Most often people will practice common sense in their choice, but there are those who lack this reasoning ability and need to be informed "change it before someone burns your house down for it being a sin against all that is holy".

I'm talking about extreme cases such as neon green with purple stripes going across at a 30 degree angle from the ground. I'd have to see this town and the houses that got the locals panties in a bunch to tell if the law is warranted, but I'd guess there is a problem but not bad enough to start banning colors.

no there should not be a limit. ITS MY FUCKING HOUSE. i pay the mortgage i pay the taxes i have to keep up the property.

if i want to paint it neon green with purple stripes that is my right.


the only person who has a right to say what i do with it (long as its within safety codes anyway) i smy wife.

not you. not anyone.

its really sad that crap like this is happening. i have to agree with kranky, its fucking disgusting.

yes it is crappy, but a lot of places to even move into a neighborhood you have to be a part of the stupid little group they have and you agree to not paint your house any color but what they allow ..simply by moving in..

to me its the most ridiculous bunch of shit ive ever heard, but some people have tunnel vision and only care about the value of a home and not the value of a home to the home owner even if that is not only measured in dollars

yeah a HOA wich i mentioned. if you want control over what color the houses are then move in on.

if you do not belong to a HOA then nobody should be telling anyone what color to paint.


i suspect if passed it will get struck down. i am sure it will be tested in court.
 

compuwiz1

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Nothing new here. Home Owner's Associations have been doing this for years thru written covenants.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Nothing new here. Home Owner's Associations have been doing this for years thru written covenants.

yeah. you have a choice to live in a HOA or not.


this is the town trying to pass regulations. so they have no choice in the matter.

 

Turin39789

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Nothing new here. Home Owner's Associations have been doing this for years thru written covenants.

yeah. you have a choice to live in a HOA or not.


this is the town trying to pass regulations. so they have no choice in the matter.

but you have a choice to not live in that town/county/state/country. If you don't like it why don't you go live with the terrorists?
 

Agentbolt

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Nothing new here. Home Owner's Associations have been doing this for years thru written covenants.

HOA's make you sign a contract before you can live there. This place wasn't part of an HOA and they didn't sign a contract with the city specifically regarding what color their house can be.

But yeah, other than that, it's exactly the same. :(
 

Linflas

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Nothing new here. Home Owner's Associations have been doing this for years thru written covenants.

It is new, HOA's do it by mutual agreement of a contract signed when you purchase a house. If you don't want the restrictions then buy a house in a non-HOA community. There is no basis for government taking an action like this, the color of a house does not affect the health or safety of a neighbor.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Nothing new here. Home Owner's Associations have been doing this for years thru written covenants.

yeah. you have a choice to live in a HOA or not.


this is the town trying to pass regulations. so they have no choice in the matter.

but you have a choice to not live in that town/county/state/country. If you don't like it why don't you go live with the terrorists?

sure. but its not as easy as you think to just pack up and move. many can not afford it.

the state/county should not be makeing laws that restrict personal freedom with there property.

 

Turin39789

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Nothing new here. Home Owner's Associations have been doing this for years thru written covenants.

yeah. you have a choice to live in a HOA or not.


this is the town trying to pass regulations. so they have no choice in the matter.

but you have a choice to not live in that town/county/state/country. If you don't like it why don't you go live with the terrorists?

sure. but its not as easy as you think to just pack up and move. many can not afford it.

the state/county should not be makeing laws that restrict personal freedom with there property.

if you don't got money, you don't get freedoms

 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Nothing new here. Home Owner's Associations have been doing this for years thru written covenants.

yeah. you have a choice to live in a HOA or not.


this is the town trying to pass regulations. so they have no choice in the matter.

but you have a choice to not live in that town/county/state/country. If you don't like it why don't you go live with the terrorists?

sure. but its not as easy as you think to just pack up and move. many can not afford it.

the state/county should not be makeing laws that restrict personal freedom with there property.

if you don't got money, you don't get freedoms


please don't troll.

even you are not that ignorant.
 

Regs

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Town beautification. And apparently a lot of people worried about not being able to sell their house for 500k over what they paid for it.
 

BoomerD

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The sub-division I live in does not have a HOA, but like many others in Kahleeforneeya, the codcils, covenents, and restrictions that are included with the property deed may indeed limit the colors you paint your house, how your lawn is maintained, whether you can work on cars in your driveway, etc...however, usually, the only recourse is to take someone to court to force them to abide by those CC&R's they agreed to when they bought the house, whereas a HOA has a bit more legal authority to force you to change/adapt.

All that being said, I too disagree (at least on the surface) with the government being able to tell you what colors you can paint your house...that just seems wrong...now if they want to start limiting what races/religions/ethnic groups/sexual orientations/etc can move into a neighborhood, THEN maybe they can decide my paint color...not until then...

(anyone want to bet how long that would last?)
 

Turin39789

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Nothing new here. Home Owner's Associations have been doing this for years thru written covenants.

yeah. you have a choice to live in a HOA or not.


this is the town trying to pass regulations. so they have no choice in the matter.

but you have a choice to not live in that town/county/state/country. If you don't like it why don't you go live with the terrorists?

sure. but its not as easy as you think to just pack up and move. many can not afford it.

the state/county should not be makeing laws that restrict personal freedom with there property.

if you don't got money, you don't get freedoms


please don't troll.

even you are not that ignorant.

whoa whoa whoa! When did I earn the "even you"? I have a rep for being ignorant?
 

Capt Caveman

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I'm not sure how they differ from a HOA but Historic Districts have the ability to place restrictions on the exterior and interior of homes in their districts.
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Nothing new here. Home Owner's Associations have been doing this for years thru written covenants.

yeah. you have a choice to live in a HOA or not.


this is the town trying to pass regulations. so they have no choice in the matter.

but you have a choice to not live in that town/county/state/country. If you don't like it why don't you go live with the terrorists?

sure. but its not as easy as you think to just pack up and move. many can not afford it.

the state/county should not be makeing laws that restrict personal freedom with there property.

Maybe true but you seem to missing what everyone else in this thread is missing....this is the town of Farmer's Branch. The same town that has been in the news lately for all the laws they are passing to combat the illegal alien population run amok.

Since the Federal Government will not enforce the laws of the nation and protect it's citizens I guess states and towns are going to eventually step up to the plate, Farmer's Branch is just ahead of the curve. The obvious target here are Hispanics since they often lack taste that is in line with traditional taste when it comes to these types of things and they will eventually ruin a neighborhood's property values. Just another battle in the long war ahead is all.
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Nothing new here. Home Owner's Associations have been doing this for years thru written covenants.

yeah. you have a choice to live in a HOA or not.


this is the town trying to pass regulations. so they have no choice in the matter.

but you have a choice to not live in that town/county/state/country. If you don't like it why don't you go live with the terrorists?

sure. but its not as easy as you think to just pack up and move. many can not afford it.

the state/county should not be makeing laws that restrict personal freedom with there property.

Maybe true but you seem to missing what everyone else in this thread is missing....this is the town of Farmer's Branch. The same town that has been in the news lately for all the laws they are passing to combat the illegal alien population run amok.

Since the Federal Government will not enforce the laws of the nation and protect it's citizens I guess states and towns are going to eventually step up to the plate, Farmer's Branch is just ahead of the curve. The obvious target here are Hispanics since they often lack taste that is in line with traditional taste when it comes to these types of things and they will eventually ruin a neighborhood's property values. Just another battle in the long war ahead is all.

So they're passing zoning laws based on their own racist ideas about what Hispanics like? That's kind of dumb.
 

Dirigible

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Originally posted by: kranky
You can see how far we've drifted from the traditional concept of property rights when a topic like this gets even one minute of discussion in a government setting. Disgusting.

QFT.

I like freedom.