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QueBert

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somebody need to do a side by side with the best Android (custom rooted rom out there) with a WP7 and iOS... see how "smooth" everything is in every category...

I watched a WM7 Vs. uber Android phone video on Youtube, and the Phandroid people claimed the guy who made the video cheated and sped up the WM7 footage to make it look smoother lol. But according to Tristicus if you get a certain phone, root it and install a certain rom with a certain custom kernel. Oh and have no apps running it can be as smooth as WM7. Apparently this is a cool thing to some *shrug*
 

shortylickens

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somebody need to do a side by side with the best Android (custom rooted rom out there) with a WP7 and iOS... see how "smooth" everything is in every category...

I've owned all the major platforms at least once. It cost me a lot in activation fees but was worth it.
My opinion:

1: Blackberry Playbook
2: Palm Pre
3: Ipad
4: Lg quantum with WP7 (supposedly one of the slower windows phones right now)
5: iphone
6: Thunderbolt
7: Xoom
8: Nokia Nuron
9: Dell Streak 5
10: The Droid
11: crummy little cheap Androids no one gives a damn about, like the Archos tablets and low-end LG phones.


It should be noted that the first 5 all feel pretty much the same. The only thing I havent owned is the HP Touchpad. Or one of the newer Pre's. Or the Blackberry storm but last I heard everyone considered that to be a joke. Nor have I owned one of the higher end Nokias cuz I never felt like paying full price for them and swapping in a Tmobile SIM.

Also from my experience a cheap capacitive touch screen almost always seems to be better than even the very best resistive.
 

Tristicus

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I watched a WM7 Vs. uber Android phone video on Youtube, and the Phandroid people claimed the guy who made the video cheated and sped up the WM7 footage to make it look smoother lol. But according to Tristicus if you get a certain phone, root it and install a certain rom with a certain custom kernel. Oh and have no apps running it can be as smooth as WM7. Apparently this is a cool thing to some *shrug*

Not only do you continue to spout fanboy bullshit against anything Android, you also twist word's to get your fail of a point across. But I suppose what more can we ask of [redacted] QueBert.

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finbarqs

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I've owned all the major platforms at least once. It cost me a lot in activation fees but was worth it.
My opinion:

1: Blackberry Playbook
2: Palm Pre
3: Ipad
4: Lg quantum with WP7 (supposedly one of the slower windows phones right now)
5: iphone
6: Thunderbolt
7: Xoom
8: Nokia Nuron
9: Dell Streak 5
10: The Droid
11: crummy little cheap Androids no one gives a damn about, like the Archos tablets and low-end LG phones.


It should be noted that the first 5 all feel pretty much the same. The only thing I havent owned is the HP Touchpad. Or one of the newer Pre's. Or the Blackberry storm but last I heard everyone considered that to be a joke. Nor have I owned one of the higher end Nokias cuz I never felt like paying full price for them and swapping in a Tmobile SIM.

Also from my experience a cheap capacitive touch screen almost always seems to be better than even the very best resistive.

played with a playbook, and though the animations are definitely smooth, it just doesn't quite follow your finger when navigating at fast speeds. It still feels like it slightly trails your finger... feels like a really smooth "android" device.
 

runawayprisoner

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I got a chance to check out a TouchPad at Best Buy. It was a good solid device as far as physical aspects go. Quite a looker if I have to say so myself. That said, the software didn't impress me as much...

1) UI performance was far from the buttery smooth assessment many have made. Not sure if that was because the device never got a restart, but it was laggy enough when navigating around certain apps and activating gestures. Android feels amazingly smooth in comparison.

2) Web browser is a prime example of the former. While scrolling and panning around feels like one of those Chinese Android tablets, on a very bad day, zooming was equally stuttery, and some pages seemed to freeze in place for a very long while. Website rendering time was horrible as some pages, like Engadget and GSMArena, could take eons to load. Checkerboard pattern and placeholders chimed in very often. Think Firefox Mobile on Android... but more stable. At least it supports Flash, and admittedly does so much better than the Playbook or anything else on the market.

3) 3D game ran at so low a framerate that I'm not sure why they decided to put that one in there.

4) Pain point: some apps took forever to load. The Mail app, for instance, took like 30 seconds to load, and loading something like 100 mails in there took tens of minutes. I don't know why but the tablet just seemed to take forever to load things. The only thing that came up instantly was a new browser window.

5) There was one instance when the browser crashed out while I was checking the Mail app. Other than that, the rest was quite solid but the tablet often froze up for tens of seconds before responding.

I don't know if it's just me, but I feel mighty disappointed. It's a different feeling from the Playbook. PB felt like a buggy piece, whereas the TP felt like it needed a whole different OS or a new major version altogether. Performance was very underwhelming, and I'm not sure why anyone would choose that over a Galaxy Tab or iPad.
 
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Slick5150

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It's being reported that most of those "lag" and "taking forever to open" problems are related to the devices being connected to terrible wireless networks, so they're trying to pull data and hanging when it can't get what it needs. Kind of a strange problem, but it is true that I played with a friend of mine's touchpad for awhile yesterday and didn't experience any of those problems with it.

I'll get one, but I'm waiting for more apps to be released before I give up my Asus Transformer for it (Honeycomb is ok, but I'd still far prefer WebOS on my tablet)
 

Cogman

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Ok, I've only ever used the Ipad and this touchpad, so with that in mind here are my initial impressions of the device.

1. Those complaining about weight, STFU. This thing weighs just as much as the IPad 1 and certainly doesn't feel heavy to handle.
2. Basic stuff is pretty smooth, web browsing, closing apps, etc. Even some of the things like opening email are really pretty smooth (which it didn't look like in some of the videos). Downloading and installing new apps is at the same level as Apples Istore.
3. That being said, somethings are not smooth. Scrolling in the app store, for example, isn't always fluid, it skips.
4. Web browsing is pretty slick. Zooming is just as smooth as it is with the IPad.
5. The flash implementation is really well done. I haven't tested it extensively, but I was pretty surprised to see how well it works. The only thing it sort of choked on was a 1080p youtube video (Ok go this to shall pass), and even then, while it did skip frames here and there, it performed much better than expected.
6. Integration with my hotmail, and google stuff was pretty slick. Picked up all of my calendars without haven't to give it extra information. Just type in your username and password and let it do its thing. That being said, when you open up the calendar for the first time, it takes a few minutes to load things. I'm not sure what is going on, but there is a good 1 second delay before you see your events. (I have not tried adding/removing new events.)
7. The touchstone charging is nice and slick. Put the pad down in any orientation you like and it charges. This is great if you want to sit down and start typing up something. No need to worry about charging. While not a big issue, it is nice not to have to fiddle around with finding charging cords etc.
8. I was thrilled to see kindle apparently being pre-installed, I was disappointed to click on it and find that A. it wasn't installed. and B. After it installs, whatever, it pops up with a "Hey, this doesn't work yet, check back later..."
9. Application updates were pretty smooth. Just click update and off it goes without ever popping and telling you that things went ok.

That's about it. I'm going to try putting on some H.264 videos and seeing what it supports as far as the H.264 standard goes (after work).

Over all, I really like the UI. I personally think it is better setup than the IPad 1. Some things need to be improved as not all the applications are as buttery smooth as the basic UI operations. That being said, multitasking is amazing, much, MUCH, better than IPad multitasking.

I'm no artist, but the actual device itself looks a little fat, but not really that bad. It feels nice in your hands, the smooth edges are really quite nice. It is a fingerprint magnet (if you care about that.)

Overall, I find that the engadget review was really quite unfair. The device is very well built. I think this can be a real competitor. The bugs it does have are not insurmountable, only minor annoyances.

Questions?
 
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runawayprisoner

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I'd like to know how you came to this conclusion.

Navigating on websites with Flash on the Playbook is a disaster. It skips and lags like skipping and lagging is a feature. Add slow Flash animation to the mix and you have a real problem. Watching movies is fine on Playbook, but general Flash performance is much more pleasant for viewing and browsing on the TouchPad.

While the TouchPad is far from being perfectly smooth, scrolling and navigating as well as zooming with Flash on the device doesn't really feel much laggier (if at all) than without Flash. And since the TouchPad's browser identifies itself as a desktop browser, more websites are willing to present the full desktop experience with Flash than on the Playbook.
 

MrX8503

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don't confuse "speed" with "smooth". I think a lot of people do... Animation, Speed, Reaction, sensitivity all contributes to a smooth experience. If you're missing one, then it's "almost smooth". I believe animation and speed have a majority of the pie when it comes to how "smooth" a device is... iOS, has everything: Animation, Speed, Reaction, Sensitivity. Also WP7 (or Metro)

Yeah, I think this is the concept that many people cannot grasp. Something that is smooth doesn't mean its fast and something fast doesn't mean that its smooth either.

iOS has both speed and smoothness, then throw in kinetic scrolling with bounce/snap for good measure and you got a super responsive phone that not even the dual core Android devices can match.
 

Cogman

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Yeah, I think this is the concept that many people cannot grasp. Something that is smooth doesn't mean its fast and something fast doesn't mean that its smooth either.

iOS has both speed and smoothness, then throw in kinetic scrolling with bounce/snap for good measure and you got a super responsive phone that not even the dual core Android devices can match.

Honestly, I think that the touchpad has both as well. It just isn't quite as polished.

Give it a couple of months and I'll be you that HP will have most of the issues hammered out.
 

MrX8503

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Here's a pretty good video that shows the difference between speed vs smoothness

http://youtu.be/YEJrYpEUs1s


As you can see Symbian is pretty much shit, but even against Android, WP7 is just plain superior when it comes to touch responsiveness. I have yet to see Android do this, even the dual core ones.

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Here's one of Android vs. iOS
http://youtu.be/ETIayifu7Bw

Notice how iOS slows down while Android just abruptly stops.
 
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DivideBYZero

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Navigating on websites with Flash on the Playbook is a disaster. It skips and lags like skipping and lagging is a feature. Add slow Flash animation to the mix and you have a real problem. Watching movies is fine on Playbook, but general Flash performance is much more pleasant for viewing and browsing on the TouchPad.

While the TouchPad is far from being perfectly smooth, scrolling and navigating as well as zooming with Flash on the device doesn't really feel much laggier (if at all) than without Flash. And since the TouchPad's browser identifies itself as a desktop browser, more websites are willing to present the full desktop experience with Flash than on the Playbook.
This is not my experience. I find the PlayBook runs Flash very smooth, YouTube 1080p is slick, etc.
 
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Here's a pretty good video that shows the difference between speed vs smoothness

http://youtu.be/YEJrYpEUs1s


As you can see Symbian is pretty much shit, but even against Android, WP7 is just plain superior when it comes to touch responsiveness. I have yet to see Android do this, even the dual core ones.

Edit:

Here's one of Android vs. iOS
http://youtu.be/ETIayifu7Bw

Notice how iOS slows down while Android just abruptly stops.

I HATE all the bouncing animations and stuff. It slows everything down so much. I always disable bouncing animations and stuff that impedes with usage and doesn't need to be there.

Also, aside from Symbian, they were pretty much the same. Sure smoothness aside, but for usage they don't have any major different in usability. Like I said before, I prefer the speed/crispness of Android and hate the over animated iOS lists and such.

Also, one of the gripes I have about GUI accelerated stuff, is that they may be smooth, but they seem to have a "max" speed that they scroll at comfortably, which I'm pretty sure is the phone struggling to keep a smooth look to the list. I hate that. I don't care if its choppy, but if I do a hard swipe, I want it to go as fast as possible in relation to how fast I swiped.
 
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finbarqs

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it's not so much the "speed/crispness" on Android that is superior to iOS's smoothness... It's the touch responsiveness, that will follow your finger almost to the "T"!
 

Puddle Jumper

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Yeah, I think this is the concept that many people cannot grasp. Something that is smooth doesn't mean its fast and something fast doesn't mean that its smooth either.

iOS has both speed and smoothness, then throw in kinetic scrolling with bounce/snap for good measure and you got a super responsive phone that not even the dual core Android devices can match.

iOS may be the smoother of the two but Android has a major advantage in speed. To compare the best of both sides the Galaxy S2 blows away the iPhone 4 even if it is running iOS5.
 

MrX8503

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I HATE all the bouncing animations and stuff. It slows everything down so much. I always disable bouncing animations and stuff that impedes with usage and doesn't need to be there.

Also, aside from Symbian, they were pretty much the same. Sure smoothness aside, but for usage they don't have any major different in usability. Like I said before, I prefer the speed/crispness of Android and hate the over animated iOS lists and such.

Also, one of the gripes I have about GUI accelerated stuff, is that they may be smooth, but they seem to have a "max" speed that they scroll at comfortably, which I'm pretty sure is the phone struggling to keep a smooth look to the list. I hate that. I don't care if its choppy, but if I do a hard swipe, I want it to go as fast as possible in relation to how fast I swiped.

I guess its user preference then. What you call speed/crispness in Android, I call it sloppiness.

I prefer the animations because it mimics real life. iOS is fast enough for me and its "max speed" is nearly as fast as Android devices. What I hate about Android is that there's only two speeds for scrolling: slow or fast, whereas iOS has fast, medium, and slow.

Some may not like the physics in iOS, but thats honestly what I like about iOS the most.
 

runawayprisoner

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I HATE all the bouncing animations and stuff. It slows everything down so much. I always disable bouncing animations and stuff that impedes with usage and doesn't need to be there.

Also, aside from Symbian, they were pretty much the same. Sure smoothness aside, but for usage they don't have any major different in usability. Like I said before, I prefer the speed/crispness of Android and hate the over animated iOS lists and such.

Also, one of the gripes I have about GUI accelerated stuff, is that they may be smooth, but they seem to have a "max" speed that they scroll at comfortably, which I'm pretty sure is the phone struggling to keep a smooth look to the list. I hate that. I don't care if its choppy, but if I do a hard swipe, I want it to go as fast as possible in relation to how fast I swiped.

If you don't mind me chiming in. There is a way to speed up or disable completely all of the animations in iOS via jailbreak.

Doing either of which makes some things instantaneous, and some others too fast.

However, I don't see how that is any help to the current topic...
 

finbarqs

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that's true... all this talk about rooted androids, we should be comparing jailbroken iOS devices!
 

finbarqs

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hulu is still working on touchpad? which carrier is gonna have the touchpad? My year of amazon prime ends today :(
 

Cogman

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hulu is still working on touchpad? which carrier is gonna have the touchpad? My year of amazon prime ends today :(

Right now, the touchpad is wifi only.

Hulu still works (sort of). Sometimes it stumbles over commercials (as in, you have to restart the whole video).