Total War

[Koudelka]

Who besides me thinks CA should team up with the Warhammer franchise and create a game?

I just re-installed the absolutely horrible Mark of Chaos game out of boredom. And i started thinking i would kill to see a Warhammer game on the scale of Total War series.

That would be intense.

 

[brblx]

i played warhammer 40k pretty briefly before writing it off as a warcraft clone. i mean, i can see why fans of that genre like it, but it wasn't for me and i fail to see how it would mesh at all with a total war game.

or are you just saying you hate warhammer and want it turned into a bug-ridden mess? ;O

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: brblx
i played warhammer 40k pretty briefly before writing it off as a warcraft clone. i mean, i can see why fans of that genre like it, but it wasn't for me and i fail to see how it would mesh at all with a total war game.

or are you just saying you hate warhammer and want it turned into a bug-ridden mess? ;O

He's talking Warhammer Fantasy, not 40k. Which would work really well and would be awesome if they did it.

 

[Koudelka]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: brblx
i played warhammer 40k pretty briefly before writing it off as a warcraft clone. i mean, i can see why fans of that genre like it, but it wasn't for me and i fail to see how it would mesh at all with a total war game.

or are you just saying you hate warhammer and want it turned into a bug-ridden mess? ;O

He's talking Warhammer Fantasy, not 40k. Which would work really well and would be awesome if they did it.

Yup. Not 40k Heh, thanks data.

 

[brblx]

whoops. i didn't even realize there were any warhammer fantasy games other than the MMO. my mistake.

 

[Zenoth]

Yes absolutely, and you're not the only one, just go to the well known Total War Center forums, there's a few threads concerning just that, where should the Total War series go after Empire: TW's expansion is released (that's inevitable and we all know that, it might well be related to the Napoleonic Wars as we suspect) is on many fans' minds including me. I too would like to see Creative Assembly getting the necessary rights and licenses to touch the Warhammer 40K universe with their Total War formula, but there's a problem, at the moment it's Relic's business, they are the ones pouring out WH40K games out, whether some of us like those games or not, they're the ones doing it with full support from Games Work Shop themselves.

There's one thing for sure however, is that Creative Assembly just cannot always make TW games in the same eras and contexts all the time, or just going back at them with better graphics, new music and models (Medieval II), there are fans of the TW franchise who would like to see a new Rome TW, Rome II... I wouldn't like that, we've had Rome, we liked it, it had its time, and even today Rome is still better than Medieval II and Empire as well (unless they deeply reform most of the game-play mechanics and A.I in its expansion, but that would be dreaming in colors). They need to try something new, either fantasy or science-fiction, or perhaps an alternative time-line à-la World in Conflict or Red Alert games, but they need to get out of the archetype medieval era at least once (well, technically they did with Empire, but it's still very similar to previous titles in many aspects, it ain't "new enough" if you get what I mean).

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: brblx
whoops. i didn't even realize there were any warhammer fantasy games other than the MMO. my mistake.

Yeah warhammer has been around for decades. It is the biggest tabletop game in the world. You can check it out at gamesworkshop.com

 

[Koudelka]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Yes absolutely, and you're not the only one, just go to the well known Total War Center forums, there's a few threads concerning just that, where should the Total War series go after Empire: TW's expansion is released (that's inevitable and we all know that, it might well be related to the Napoleonic Wars as we suspect) is on many fans' minds including me. I too would like to see Creative Assembly getting the necessary rights and licenses to touch the Warhammer 40K universe with their Total War formula, but there's a problem, at the moment it's Relic's business, they are the ones pouring out WH40K games out, whether some of us like those games or not, they're the ones doing it with full support from Games Work Shop themselves.

There's one thing for sure however, is that Creative Assembly just cannot always make TW games in the same eras and contexts all the time, or just going back at them with better graphics, new music and models (Medieval II), there are fans of the TW franchise who would like to see a new Rome TW, Rome II... I wouldn't like that, we've had Rome, we liked it, it had its time, and even today Rome is still better than Medieval II and Empire as well (unless they deeply reform most of the game-play mechanics and A.I in its expansion, but that would be dreaming in colors). They need to try something new, either fantasy or science-fiction, or perhaps an alternative time-line à-la World in Conflict or Red Alert games, but they need to get out of the archetype medieval era at least once (well, technically they did with Empire, but it's still very similar to previous titles in many aspects, it ain't "new enough" if you get what I mean).

I dont think Relic has rights to Warhammer Fantasy though, which is what i had in mind. At least in my opinion, as evident from ETW, large units with guns just doesnt seem to be nearly as much fun.

Granted, even in MTW2 and ETW, it just comes down to mindless unit clashing. But, ETW is basically 1 unit against another. Nonstop Line Infantry vs Line Infantry.. At least in MTW2 there was some unit variety.

ETW has variety, but 95% of the units in the game are absolutely useless. Melee oriented games are much easier to make and much more fun to play. Therefore, 40k would be hard to make. Warhammer Fantasy however, should be much easier and so much more satisfying.

Although, either 40k or Fantasy would be absolutely kickass. But i dont see why Fantasy is not a possibility. Relic has 40k rights, but nobodies pumping out Fantasy RTS games.

Anyhow, its just a wish There's no way CA would make such a drastic turn away from historical era's into science fiction. Sadly..

Someday though, someone will make a Warhammer Total War-esque game just gotta keep waiting.

 

[Drift3r]

nvm

 

[Koudelka]

Originally posted by: brblx
i played warhammer 40k pretty briefly before writing it off as a warcraft clone. i mean, i can see why fans of that genre like it, but it wasn't for me and i fail to see how it would mesh at all with a total war game.

or are you just saying you hate warhammer and want it turned into a bug-ridden mess? ;O

Oh, I dont mean to sound rude, but i fail to see at all how you consider Warhammer 40k a warcraft clone?

1st- Warhammer has been around a lot longer than Warcraft.

2nd- W40k was based off CoH. I dont remember any units in Warcraft taking up defensive positions while shooting arrows at each other, etc.

3rd- I sure dont remember Warcraft being squad-based.. do you?

W40K has absolutely nothing to do with Warcraft. Unless you believe that there was never a base building RTS before Warcraft?

The only thing Warcraft implemented were hero characters that level up. Countless games since then have utilized hero characters. Apparently whichever game invented RTS base-building.. Warcraft must be a rip-off clone of that game, too.

Again, not being rude, but the two games are nothing alike.

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: Koudelka

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Yes absolutely, and you're not the only one, just go to the well known Total War Center forums, there's a few threads concerning just that, where should the Total War series go after Empire: TW's expansion is released (that's inevitable and we all know that, it might well be related to the Napoleonic Wars as we suspect) is on many fans' minds including me. I too would like to see Creative Assembly getting the necessary rights and licenses to touch the Warhammer 40K universe with their Total War formula, but there's a problem, at the moment it's Relic's business, they are the ones pouring out WH40K games out, whether some of us like those games or not, they're the ones doing it with full support from Games Work Shop themselves.

There's one thing for sure however, is that Creative Assembly just cannot always make TW games in the same eras and contexts all the time, or just going back at them with better graphics, new music and models (Medieval II), there are fans of the TW franchise who would like to see a new Rome TW, Rome II... I wouldn't like that, we've had Rome, we liked it, it had its time, and even today Rome is still better than Medieval II and Empire as well (unless they deeply reform most of the game-play mechanics and A.I in its expansion, but that would be dreaming in colors). They need to try something new, either fantasy or science-fiction, or perhaps an alternative time-line à-la World in Conflict or Red Alert games, but they need to get out of the archetype medieval era at least once (well, technically they did with Empire, but it's still very similar to previous titles in many aspects, it ain't "new enough" if you get what I mean).

I dont think Relic has rights to Warhammer Fantasy though, which is what i had in mind. At least in my opinion, as evident from ETW, large units with guns just doesnt seem to be nearly as much fun.

Granted, even in MTW2 and ETW, it just comes down to mindless unit clashing. But, ETW is basically 1 unit against another. Nonstop Line Infantry vs Line Infantry.. At least in MTW2 there was some unit variety.

ETW has variety, but 95% of the units in the game are absolutely useless. Melee oriented games are much easier to make and much more fun to play. Therefore, 40k would be hard to make. Warhammer Fantasy however, should be much easier and so much more satisfying.

Although, either 40k or Fantasy would be absolutely kickass. But i dont see why Fantasy is not a possibility. Relic has 40k rights, but nobodies pumping out Fantasy RTS games.

Anyhow, its just a wish There's no way CA would make such a drastic turn away from historical era's into science fiction. Sadly..

Someday though, someone will make a Warhammer Total War-esque game just gotta keep waiting.

There's plenty of melee clashes in the 40K branch of the Warhammer universe believe me, although I do agree that for a Total War setting the fantasy branch would fit better, but it's just an old dream of mine, seeing hordes of Orks and thousands of Imperial Guards on the same battlefield, or a Chaos army duking it out against whoever you want with towering lore-specific scale 4 or 5 stories high Bloodthirsters making the ground tremble with each steps, even flying above fortress walls during sieges, it would be absolutely epic, which is something that's completely absent from DoW II.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: Koudelka

Originally posted by: brblx
i played warhammer 40k pretty briefly before writing it off as a warcraft clone. i mean, i can see why fans of that genre like it, but it wasn't for me and i fail to see how it would mesh at all with a total war game.

or are you just saying you hate warhammer and want it turned into a bug-ridden mess? ;O

Oh, I dont mean to sound rude, but i fail to see at all how you consider Warhammer 40k a warcraft clone?

1st- Warhammer has been around a lot longer than Warcraft.

2nd- W40k was based off CoH. I dont remember any units in Warcraft taking up defensive positions while shooting arrows at each other, etc.

3rd- I sure dont remember Warcraft being squad-based.. do you?

W40K has absolutely nothing to do with Warcraft. Unless you believe that there was never a base building RTS before Warcraft?

The only thing Warcraft implemented were hero characters that level up. Countless games since then have utilized hero characters. Apparently whichever game invented RTS base-building.. Warcraft must be a rip-off clone of that game, too.

Again, not being rude, but the two games are nothing alike.

Yeah, Dawn of War isn't really anything like Warcraft, excluding they are both RTS games.

Not to mention that Warcraft and Starcraft are pretty much copies of Warhammer and Warhammer 40k..

Originally posted by: brblx
whoops. i didn't even realize there were any warhammer fantasy games other than the MMO. my mistake.

I bet you are one of those people that see Warhammer or 40k units and think that they are copying off blizzard's design and races *sigh*

To the OP, a Warhammer or 40k Total War game would be freaking amazing.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Koudelka

Originally posted by: brblx
i played warhammer 40k pretty briefly before writing it off as a warcraft clone. i mean, i can see why fans of that genre like it, but it wasn't for me and i fail to see how it would mesh at all with a total war game.

or are you just saying you hate warhammer and want it turned into a bug-ridden mess? ;O

Oh, I dont mean to sound rude, but i fail to see at all how you consider Warhammer 40k a warcraft clone?

1st- Warhammer has been around a lot longer than Warcraft.

2nd- W40k was based off CoH. I dont remember any units in Warcraft taking up defensive positions while shooting arrows at each other, etc.

3rd- I sure dont remember Warcraft being squad-based.. do you?

W40K has absolutely nothing to do with Warcraft. Unless you believe that there was never a base building RTS before Warcraft?

The only thing Warcraft implemented were hero characters that level up. Countless games since then have utilized hero characters. Apparently whichever game invented RTS base-building.. Warcraft must be a rip-off clone of that game, too.

Again, not being rude, but the two games are nothing alike.

The game you're thinking of is Dune II by Westwood before EA killed them off. It was the first RTS ever and it was magnificent.

 

[brblx]

Originally posted by: Dumac
I bet you are one of those people that see Warhammer or 40k units and think that they are copying off blizzard's design and races *sigh*

To the OP, a Warhammer or 40k Total War game would be freaking amazing.

i was aware of the tabletop games, just not that a warhammer game was ever made for PC.

and i wouldn't piss on a blizzard game if it was on fire, though it does seem to me that warhammer online is a pretty blatant rip of WoW. as is age of conan. as is pretty much every MMO released after WoW, it would seem. no, i'm not retarded and do not think blizzard invented the concept of orcs and dwarves.

as far as the WH40k stuff goes, sorry, but i played the game for a few hours, and it's the same basic, boring stuff that RTS's have been for years. i did feel like i was back in 1995 playing warcraft II, only it was less fun. control points and the ability to group units aren't exactly revolutionary. but have whatever opinion you want.

 

[Koudelka]

Originally posted by: brblx

Originally posted by: Dumac
I bet you are one of those people that see Warhammer or 40k units and think that they are copying off blizzard's design and races *sigh*

To the OP, a Warhammer or 40k Total War game would be freaking amazing.

i was aware of the tabletop games, just not that a warhammer game was ever made for PC.

and i wouldn't piss on a blizzard game if it was on fire, though it does seem to me that warhammer online is a pretty blatant rip of WoW. as is age of conan. as is pretty much every MMO released after WoW, it would seem. no, i'm not retarded and do not think blizzard invented the concept of orcs and dwarves.

as far as the WH40k stuff goes, sorry, but i played the game for a few hours, and it's the same basic, boring stuff that RTS's have been for years. i did feel like i was back in 1995 playing warcraft II, only it was less fun. control points and the ability to group units aren't exactly revolutionary. but have whatever opinion you want.

I hate to derail this thread, but please explain to me how Age of Conan is a WoW clone? Or even Warhammer Online..

I'm honestly impressed with what youre saying. I havent seen stupid on this scale in a while. If you want to post negative comments about games, please have some tiny idea of what the hell youre talking about.

 

[brblx]

the interface and gameplay is near identical? i thought this was pretty widely observed, sorry everyone who doesn't agree with you is stupid?

for the record, realize that i don't care about who did what first or who first came up with certain storylines and settings. i care about games, how they play, and what kind of fun they impart. sorry if as a warhammer fan it pisses you off that i don't want to play simple resource-gathering RTS's along the lines of warcraft and C&C and i don't want to play MMO grindfests modeled after the most successful MMO grindfest.

i'm sorry, my original post should have said 'i'm not sure how warhammer would mesh with the TW style of gameplay (or relative emphasis on history, for that matter), but i less than three everything warhammer xoxoxoxoxoxo.'

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: brblx
the interface and gameplay is near identical? i thought this was pretty widely observed, sorry everyone who doesn't agree with you is stupid?

for the record, realize that i don't care about who did what first or who first came up with certain storylines and settings. i care about games, how they play, and what kind of fun they impart. sorry if as a warhammer fan it pisses you off that i don't want to play simple resource-gathering RTS's along the lines of warcraft and C&C and i don't want to play MMO grindfests modeled after the most successful MMO grindfest.

i'm sorry, my original post should have said 'i'm not sure how warhammer would mesh with the TW style of gameplay (or relative emphasis on history, for that matter), but i less than three everything warhammer xoxoxoxoxoxo.'

Have you even played Age of Conan?

 

[brblx]

these are generally my impressions from screenshots, reviews, and other people's gameplay experiences. i have really not been enticed to play any mmo since i played wow. i would think if someone had actually done something original, someone would, you know, note it.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: brblx
the interface and gameplay is near identical? i thought this was pretty widely observed, sorry everyone who doesn't agree with you is stupid?

the interface for every western MMO is near identical, even before WoW. It is just a common way to put things.

for the record, realize that i don't care about who did what first or who first came up with certain storylines and settings. i care about games, how they play, and what kind of fun they impart. sorry if as a warhammer fan it pisses you off that i don't want to play simple resource-gathering RTS's along the lines of warcraft and C&C and i don't want to play MMO grindfests modeled after the most successful MMO grindfest.

Do you really think warcraft was the first game to come up with the RTS genre and resource gathering? Also, for an RTS, Dawn of War and Warcraft play completely different, so I have no clue what you are smoking, unless every strategy game looks the same to you.

and i wouldn't piss on a blizzard game if it was on fire, though it does seem to me that warhammer online is a pretty blatant rip of WoW. as is age of conan. as is pretty much every MMO released after WoW, it would seem. no, i'm not retarded and do not think blizzard invented the concept of orcs and dwarves.

And WoW is a blatant rip off of EQ. Your point?

Actually, Warhammer had come pretty cool elements for an MMO. Know what Blizzard did? Incorporated almost all of them into the next WoW patch. Talk about a blatant rip...

 

[Koudelka]

Originally posted by: brblx
my impressions from screenshots, reviews, and other people's gameplay experiences.

Hahaha...

So he's obviously just a fanboy and a troll.

Everyone! please listen to me! I'm going to sound like i have an opinion on every game, and tell you exactly what its about.. even though i've never actually played it. Thank you.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: brblx
the interface and gameplay is near identical? i thought this was pretty widely observed, sorry everyone who doesn't agree with you is stupid?

for the record, realize that i don't care about who did what first or who first came up with certain storylines and settings. i care about games, how they play, and what kind of fun they impart. sorry if as a warhammer fan it pisses you off that i don't want to play simple resource-gathering RTS's along the lines of warcraft and C&C and i don't want to play MMO grindfests modeled after the most successful MMO grindfest.

i'm sorry, my original post should have said 'i'm not sure how warhammer would mesh with the TW style of gameplay (or relative emphasis on history, for that matter), but i less than three everything warhammer xoxoxoxoxoxo.'

I think Total War was made for Warhammer.

The campaign section of TW is one thing that wouldn't necessarily mesh, but TW is based on the exact same thing as Warhammer when it comes to the battle system.
2 (or more) players pick armies ot a set number of points. Each unit group is assigned a point value, and your total army has to come to less than the agreed number of points.

Warhammer would sit perfectly in the framework of the Total War pitched battles.
The campaign would pretty much be simple as well, just change the map to the Warhammer world.

 

[Sylvanas]

I would not be interested in Warhammer: Total War game.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: brblx
these are generally my impressions from screenshots, reviews, and other people's gameplay experiences. i have really not been enticed to play any mmo since i played wow. i would think if someone had actually done something original, someone would, you know, note it.

Ok, that's what I thought. Age of Conan is nothing like WoW, especially the game play. And if you actually think that WoW was "something original" then, umm.....wow.

 

[Malladine]

IMO the total war engine above all others would allow something very close to the table top gaming experience, but real time...

 

[Trell]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Koudelka

Originally posted by: brblx

The game you're thinking of is Dune II by Westwood before EA killed them off. It was the first RTS ever and it was magnificent.

QFT