Total noob question: watching DVDs on WS TV

[arod]

Originally posted by: rpc64

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: rpc64
Wow thanks for all the great info. To answer Kilgore's question, yes I can afford a better dvd player, it's just more convenient for me to use my Xbox because I use it as a total media center. Maybe I should buy a better dvd player, I'll see how things go. Now it's off to my next adventure, hooking up my new home theater system 😉

Do you have your Xbox modded to do Progressive Scan?

:Q Wasn't aware I could do that. More info would be GREATLY appreciated.

Yeah def get the HD pack for that XBOX, play all your games in 480p and a few support 720p and 1080i.


http://www.hdtvpub.com/games/xbox/microsoft-xbox.cfm

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: arod

Originally posted by: rpc64

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: rpc64
Wow thanks for all the great info. To answer Kilgore's question, yes I can afford a better dvd player, it's just more convenient for me to use my Xbox because I use it as a total media center. Maybe I should buy a better dvd player, I'll see how things go. Now it's off to my next adventure, hooking up my new home theater system 😉

Do you have your Xbox modded to do Progressive Scan?

:Q Wasn't aware I could do that. More info would be GREATLY appreciated.

Yeah def get the HD pack for that XBOX, play all your games in 480p and a few support 720p and 1080i.


http://www.hdtvpub.com/games/xbox/microsoft-xbox.cfm

Right... But it still won't play DVD's in progressive scan.

Decent DVD players are rather cheap... Do yourself a favor rpc, and pick one up. They are better quality than an Xbox.

 

[0roo0roo]

meh, 30 dollar advent or whatever generic dvd player have progressive output these days.

 

[Amused]

With newer HDTVs (Just about any made after 2001), progressive scan DVD players are kinda pointless unless you buy one with a top-notch line doubler.

The reason I say this is all newer HDTVs (Including your Magnavox) come with built in line doublers that are at least as good as the average PS DVD player. Some, like the Samsung DLPs, have line doublers in them that are far better than most DVD players.

Just make sure whatever DVD player you use is set to 16:9 in the user menu. This way, you can take advantage of the anamorphic transfers on DVDs.

 

[xospec1alk]

whats RTFM?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
whats RTFM?

Read The Fscking Manual

 

[rpc64]

Ok I'm having some issues now. I found a patcher that was supposed to make DVDX progressive scan. I patched it but then I had no video when I ran DVDX so I had to put it back to normal. When I watch a DVD with DVDX I am getting the big black bars on the screen. However, when I use xbox media center and set the video for "original size" I get the smaller black bars, which I think is what it's supposed to look like. But I don't want to use xbox media center for dvds because the player is very basic, you can't even access the menu for the DVD.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Amused
With newer HDTVs (Just about any made after 2001), progressive scan DVD players are kinda pointless unless you buy one with a top-notch line doubler.

The reason I say this is all newer HDTVs (Including your Magnavox) come with built in line doublers that are at least as good as the average PS DVD player. Some, like the Samsung DLPs, have line doublers in them that are far better than most DVD players.

Just make sure whatever DVD player you use is set to 16:9 in the user menu. This way, you can take advantage of the anamorphic transfers on DVDs.

huh? aren't dvds progressive to begin with?

wouldn't it be better to have the tv accept the progressive signal instead of having it try to fix up interlaced input(which isn't that great).. one less step to degrade image.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Amused
With newer HDTVs (Just about any made after 2001), progressive scan DVD players are kinda pointless unless you buy one with a top-notch line doubler.

The reason I say this is all newer HDTVs (Including your Magnavox) come with built in line doublers that are at least as good as the average PS DVD player. Some, like the Samsung DLPs, have line doublers in them that are far better than most DVD players.

Just make sure whatever DVD player you use is set to 16:9 in the user menu. This way, you can take advantage of the anamorphic transfers on DVDs.

huh? aren't dvds progressive to begin with?

wouldn't it be better to have the tv accept the progressive signal instead of having it try to fix up interlaced input(which isn't that great).. one less step to degrade image.

No, DVDs are not progressive. They are 480i. A progressive scan DVD player deinterlaces the picture and outputs it as 480p. A newer (second gen) HDTV will do the same.

No, it doesn't matter whether the deinterlacing is done by the DVD player, or the TV, it has to be done somewhere. The fact that most HDTVs now have acceptable deinterlacers negates the need for a PS DVD player... unless you buy one with a very good deinterlacer that out performs the one in your TV.

But most people cannot tell the difference between a good deinterlacer or a bad one... so it doesn't really matter.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Amused
Most movies come three aspect ratios (AR). 2.35:1, 1.85:1 and 4:3

4:3 is nearly square and what most TV is broadcast in. Older movies were done in 4:3, too. (Like the Wizard of Oz)

1.85:1 is what will fill most widescreen TVs unless you have no overscan, and then you will see small, half inch or less bars on the sides. About 30% of movies are filmed in this AR. Mostly comedies and kids films.

2.35:1 will leave black bars at the top and bottom of a widescreen TV. The majority of modern movies are filmed in this AR. Almost all epic films and SciFi films use this or the slightly wider 2.40:1 AR

Links explaining aspect ratios and such:

http://www.rexer.com/cine/oar.htm

http://www.divx.com/support/guides/guide.php?gid=12

These days I'm seeing a ton of stuff shot in 1.85. I'd say that for new releases it is closer to 50/50 between 1.85/2.35.

 

[InlineFive]

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[Amused]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Amused
Most movies come three aspect ratios (AR). 2.35:1, 1.85:1 and 4:3

4:3 is nearly square and what most TV is broadcast in. Older movies were done in 4:3, too. (Like the Wizard of Oz)

1.85:1 is what will fill most widescreen TVs unless you have no overscan, and then you will see small, half inch or less bars on the sides. About 30% of movies are filmed in this AR. Mostly comedies and kids films.

2.35:1 will leave black bars at the top and bottom of a widescreen TV. The majority of modern movies are filmed in this AR. Almost all epic films and SciFi films use this or the slightly wider 2.40:1 AR

Links explaining aspect ratios and such:

http://www.rexer.com/cine/oar.htm

http://www.divx.com/support/guides/guide.php?gid=12

These days I'm seeing a ton of stuff shot in 1.85. I'd say that for new releases it is closer to 50/50 between 1.85/2.35.

That's because most of what you're watching is kids stuff, comedies and chick flicks.

Turn in your man card... now.

😛

 

[Ameesh]

some movies are super widescreen

1.85:1 is normal, many movies go up tp 2.40:1

 

[Ameesh]

some movies are super widescreen

1.85:1 is normal, many movies go up tp 2.40:1

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
some movies are super widescreen

1.85:1 is normal, many movies go up tp 2.40:1

Actually, the vast majority of what most of us here would watch is in 2.35:1 or 2.40:1. That being epics, action/adventure and SciFi flicks.

Most comedies, kids films, and chick flicks are in 1.85:1 or 1.77:1

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Amused
Most movies come three aspect ratios (AR). 2.35:1, 1.85:1 and 4:3

4:3 is nearly square and what most TV is broadcast in. Older movies were done in 4:3, too. (Like the Wizard of Oz)

1.85:1 is what will fill most widescreen TVs unless you have no overscan, and then you will see small, half inch or less bars on the sides. About 30% of movies are filmed in this AR. Mostly comedies and kids films.

2.35:1 will leave black bars at the top and bottom of a widescreen TV. The majority of modern movies are filmed in this AR. Almost all epic films and SciFi films use this or the slightly wider 2.40:1 AR

Links explaining aspect ratios and such:

http://www.rexer.com/cine/oar.htm

http://www.divx.com/support/guides/guide.php?gid=12

These days I'm seeing a ton of stuff shot in 1.85. I'd say that for new releases it is closer to 50/50 between 1.85/2.35.

That's because most of what you're watching is kids stuff, comedies and chick flicks.

Turn in your man card... now.

😛

Heh.😛

Sony likes to do it on a lot of their lower budget action films (and they make a ton of these) and I've noticed it more from the other companies. Every so often a big film that could take advantage of 2.35 is released in 1.85 (what we call "Flat" these days) that really makes me scratch my head as to why they didn't make it in Scope.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Amused
Most movies come three aspect ratios (AR). 2.35:1, 1.85:1 and 4:3

4:3 is nearly square and what most TV is broadcast in. Older movies were done in 4:3, too. (Like the Wizard of Oz)

1.85:1 is what will fill most widescreen TVs unless you have no overscan, and then you will see small, half inch or less bars on the sides. About 30% of movies are filmed in this AR. Mostly comedies and kids films.

2.35:1 will leave black bars at the top and bottom of a widescreen TV. The majority of modern movies are filmed in this AR. Almost all epic films and SciFi films use this or the slightly wider 2.40:1 AR

Links explaining aspect ratios and such:

http://www.rexer.com/cine/oar.htm

http://www.divx.com/support/guides/guide.php?gid=12

These days I'm seeing a ton of stuff shot in 1.85. I'd say that for new releases it is closer to 50/50 between 1.85/2.35.

That's because most of what you're watching is kids stuff, comedies and chick flicks.

Turn in your man card... now.

😛

Heh.😛

Sony likes to do it on a lot of their lower budget action films (and they make a ton of these) and I've noticed it more from the other companies. Every so often a big film that could take advantage of 2.35 is released in 1.85 (what we call "Flat" these days) that really makes me scratch my head as to why they didn't make it in Scope.

Maybe a lot of directors or producers are taking heed of the aspect ratio on new HDTVs and are shooting to fill those? Movies go to DVD fast these days.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Amused
Most movies come three aspect ratios (AR). 2.35:1, 1.85:1 and 4:3

4:3 is nearly square and what most TV is broadcast in. Older movies were done in 4:3, too. (Like the Wizard of Oz)

1.85:1 is what will fill most widescreen TVs unless you have no overscan, and then you will see small, half inch or less bars on the sides. About 30% of movies are filmed in this AR. Mostly comedies and kids films.

2.35:1 will leave black bars at the top and bottom of a widescreen TV. The majority of modern movies are filmed in this AR. Almost all epic films and SciFi films use this or the slightly wider 2.40:1 AR

Links explaining aspect ratios and such:

http://www.rexer.com/cine/oar.htm

http://www.divx.com/support/guides/guide.php?gid=12

These days I'm seeing a ton of stuff shot in 1.85. I'd say that for new releases it is closer to 50/50 between 1.85/2.35.

That's because most of what you're watching is kids stuff, comedies and chick flicks.

Turn in your man card... now.

😛

Heh.😛

Sony likes to do it on a lot of their lower budget action films (and they make a ton of these) and I've noticed it more from the other companies. Every so often a big film that could take advantage of 2.35 is released in 1.85 (what we call "Flat" these days) that really makes me scratch my head as to why they didn't make it in Scope.

Maybe a lot of directors or producers are taking heed of the aspect ratio on new HDTVs and are shooting to fill those? Movies go to DVD fast these days.

That is probably one good reason. Many companies have cut the lag time for first run to video substantially in the last few years . Sometimes the window has been so short as to cause exhibitors to pull titles that are still playing and making money to avoid being killed by the video release.

 

[Wingznut]

My RPTV is last year's model, and I can definitely tell the difference between playing a movie on my Xbox and my DVD player. Whether that's progressive scan, or just the difference in players... Whatever.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
My RPTV is last year's model, and I can definitely tell the difference between playing a movie on my Xbox and my DVD player. Whether that's progressive scan, or just the difference in players... Whatever.

I know nothing about Xbox, so I cannot comment. However, you may try this to see if it's the difference in progressive scan:

Turn off PS on your DVD player. Now compare it to your Xbox. If it is still different, then the difference is in the player itself.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Wingznut
My RPTV is last year's model, and I can definitely tell the difference between playing a movie on my Xbox and my DVD player. Whether that's progressive scan, or just the difference in players... Whatever.

I know nothing about Xbox, so I cannot comment. However, you may try this to see if it's the difference in progressive scan:

Turn off PS on your DVD player. Now compare it to your Xbox. If it is still different, then the difference is in the player itself.

If I get bored enough, I'll check it out. 🙂

When I initially compared Xbox vs DVD, I took LOTR:TTT (separate originals) and put it in both players, queued up the exact same point, and flipped back and forth between the two inputs. While it wasn't initially obvious, there were more than a few scenes (darker ones, iirc) that the difference was quite evident.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Wingznut
My RPTV is last year's model, and I can definitely tell the difference between playing a movie on my Xbox and my DVD player. Whether that's progressive scan, or just the difference in players... Whatever.

I know nothing about Xbox, so I cannot comment. However, you may try this to see if it's the difference in progressive scan:

Turn off PS on your DVD player. Now compare it to your Xbox. If it is still different, then the difference is in the player itself.

If I get bored enough, I'll check it out. 🙂

When I initially compared Xbox vs DVD, I took LOTR:TTT (separate originals) and put it in both players, queued up the exact same point, and flipped back and forth between the two inputs. While it wasn't initially obvious, there were more than a few scenes (darker ones, iirc) that the difference was quite evident.

That would be the player itself or the connections. The difference in deinterlacers would be wildly obvious like the difference between HD and SD.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: rpc64
Ok I'm having some issues now. I found a patcher that was supposed to make DVDX progressive scan. I patched it but then I had no video when I ran DVDX so I had to put it back to normal. When I watch a DVD with DVDX I am getting the big black bars on the screen. However, when I use xbox media center and set the video for "original size" I get the smaller black bars, which I think is what it's supposed to look like. But I don't want to use xbox media center for dvds because the player is very basic, you can't even access the menu for the DVD.

If you've got XBMC, then youll get a pretty awesome picture.

First off, make SURE that 480p and 1080i are enabled in the MS dashboard. Also make sure your TV is set to 16:9.

I used a patch to get DVDX to work in progressive as well, dont know why it didnt work for you, but it probably wont if the above isnt enabled.

But I'd say play your DVDs in XBMC if you can. This will work with any input, but if you have the HD box, and can output in 1080i, itll look even sweeter.

Since theres no DVD menu support, in order to play the movies, you have to play the actual .vob files. Just start with the first one that is 1gb, and queue them all up.

The Go into my videos setup, and totally get rid of any overscan. Set the arrows to be at the absolute corners. The break out your ruler, and make sure the aspect ratio box is absolutely square.

When youre done, you will see the ENTIRE movie 100% perfect. No overscan, no distortion, and if youre in 1080i, itll even be well upscaled, and look even better than progressive scan.

 

[rpc64]

Ok I went in and enabled wide screen in the MS dashboard. The picture now looks good and in the correct size when I use XBMC. I didn't see any options specifically for 480p or 1080i in the MS dashboard though? It just said normal, letterboxed, or widescreen. I don't really get what you mean by using the HD box with the Xbox. How does that work exactly? I find it a little annoying that I have to use dvdx to get the disc menus, but at least I can get the movie to look right now.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: rpc64
Ok I went in and enabled wide screen in the MS dashboard. The picture now looks good and in the correct size when I use XBMC. I didn't see any options specifically for 480p or 1080i in the MS dashboard though? It just said normal, letterboxed, or widescreen. I don't really get what you mean by using the HD box with the Xbox. How does that work exactly? I find it a little annoying that I have to use dvdx to get the disc menus, but at least I can get the movie to look right now.

Well, the HD box is the output you need not only to get high def, but to get progressive scan. Since you dont know what it is, Ill assume you dont have it, and that would perfectly explain why you get no output when you set dvdx to output in pro scan. Because you cant.

You wont see the options in the dashboard unless youre using the hd output box. Its REQUIRED for 480p or 1080i.