Total curfew in Baghdad

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5393984.stm

just another proof to show how bad it is. Bush cant seem to get much good news lately.
and by the way, did anyone watch cnn, he is also quitely pushing the North America Union, which to ease the border between Canada, US and Mexico. There is a government website about it at www.spp.gov, cant find the cnn article link now, but Lou Dobbs talks about it every night.
 

Thump553

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Todd33
There was talk of a military coup (sp?).
Oh please, where did you hear that?

That was the speculation on the NBC Nightly News last night. Supposedly there were meetings to plan a military coup by the government was able to catch on before any overt action took place. I haven't checked the news sources this morning for any further developments, perhaps it was merely the rumor de minute.
 

jjzelinski

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Holy crap a coup? lol

I hope they use rose petals this time because they sure owe us some.
 

ProfJohn

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BAGHDAD - Anti-government insurgents are spreading false rumors about an attempted coup in Baghdad, the government said Saturday, as the city was placed under curfew.

"This is a rumor that takfiris (Sunni extremists) and terrorists are spreading," said Brigadier General Qassim Mussawi, the prime minister's military spokesman, when asked about rumors of an impending military coup.
So much for that idea.

Interior ministry spokesman Brigadier General Abdel Karim Khalaf laughed off the possibility of a coup.

"Who would be overthrowing whom? If you gave Baghdad to the army, they would say 'no, please keep it!'," he said.

"What would they do? Go down to the Green Zone and arrest (US Ambassador Zalmay) Khalilzad in the presence of a hundred thousand US soldiers?"
Ok, you have to admit that is a pretty funny comment.
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BaliBabyDoc

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^^It's difficult tell what's more sad . . . 1) we brought democracy to Iraq . . . but even the Iraqis know who's calling the shots, 2) there's no real government to overthrow, or 3) there's no country to rule anyway.

 

slash196

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
BAGHDAD - Anti-government insurgents are spreading false rumors about an attempted coup in Baghdad, the government said Saturday, as the city was placed under curfew.

"This is a rumor that takfiris (Sunni extremists) and terrorists are spreading," said Brigadier General Qassim Mussawi, the prime minister's military spokesman, when asked about rumors of an impending military coup.
So much for that idea.

Interior ministry spokesman Brigadier General Abdel Karim Khalaf laughed off the possibility of a coup.

"Who would be overthrowing whom? If you gave Baghdad to the army, they would say 'no, please keep it!'," he said.

"What would they do? Go down to the Green Zone and arrest (US Ambassador Zalmay) Khalilzad in the presence of a hundred thousand US soldiers?"
Ok, you have to admit that is a pretty funny comment.
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Yeah, its a funny comment, but it's only funny because Iraq is such a sh!thole right now. Let me sketch it out for you:

World affairs: ---------> 0





Your head: ------------> 0
 

tommywishbone

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
"Who would be overthrowing whom? If you gave Baghdad to the army, they would say 'no, please keep it!'," he said.

"What would they do? Go down to the Green Zone and arrest (US Ambassador Zalmay) Khalilzad in the presence of a hundred thousand US soldiers?"

Ok, you have to admit that is a pretty funny comment.
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:laugh: Very funny indeed.
 

Thump553

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ProfJohn, that is a pretty funny quote.

I don't know if you are old enough to remember the Vietnam War (or the American War, as the Vietnamese call it) but the South Vietnamese government went through a series of coups in 1963-64, coindentally the time of US's major ramp-up in actual involvement in the fighting. Coupled with the news that Kissinger has been having one on one consultations with Bush about how to handle the Iraq War, perhaps some newsperson had a flashback to Vietnam-it is seeming to become more and more of a model (intended or not) for this administration's purposes for and conduct of this war.

We were fighting to spread freedom then, too.
 

slash196

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Originally posted by: Thump553
ProfJohn, that is a pretty funny quote.

I don't know if you are old enough to remember the Vietnam War (or the American War, as the Vietnamese call it) but the South Vietnamese government went through a series of coups in 1963-64, coindentally the time of US's major ramp-up in actual involvement in the fighting. Coupled with the news that Kissinger has been having one on one consultations with Bush about how to handle the Iraq War, perhaps some newsperson had a flashback to Vietnam-it is seeming to become more and more of a model (intended or not) for this administration's purposes for and conduct of this war.

We were fighting to spread freedom then, too.


You forgot the quote marks aroud "freedom".
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
"Who would be overthrowing whom? If you gave Baghdad to the army, they would say 'no, please keep it!'," he said.

"What would they do? Go down to the Green Zone and arrest (US Ambassador Zalmay) Khalilzad in the presence of a hundred thousand US soldiers?"

Ok, you have to admit that is a pretty funny comment.
Link


:laugh: Very funny indeed.

Marie Antoineete was pretty witty when she told the peasants to eat cake too, so??
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Thump553
ProfJohn, that is a pretty funny quote.

I don't know if you are old enough to remember the Vietnam War (or the American War, as the Vietnamese call it) but the South Vietnamese government went through a series of coups in 1963-64, coindentally the time of US's major ramp-up in actual involvement in the fighting. Coupled with the news that Kissinger has been having one on one consultations with Bush about how to handle the Iraq War, perhaps some newsperson had a flashback to Vietnam-it is seeming to become more and more of a model (intended or not) for this administration's purposes for and conduct of this war.

We were fighting to spread freedom then, too.
If Bush is talking to Kissinger I would bet that it is less about Vietnam and more about Kissinger?s recent ?war of civilizations? comments.
Perhaps Bush is talking to Kissinger to get his view on this and his suggestions on what we should do to prevent this ?war.?

I don?t want to get into an argument over Vietnam, but one of the main reasons we went into there in first place was the fear of commies and the idea of a domino affect. If Vietnam falls to the commies next would be Cambodia, then Thailand etc etc. SOME would say that even though we lost the war our efforts in fighting communism there stopped the domino affect because after Vietnam not another major country went commie.

Kissinger is a pretty smart guy, I don?t see Bush talking to him as a bad thing. It was Kissinger?s idea for Nixon to visit China and in doing so opening a new ?front? in the cold war. China and Russia are traditional enemies and by creating better relationships with China it put the Soviets in a bad position.

 

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
"Who would be overthrowing whom? If you gave Baghdad to the army, they would say 'no, please keep it!'," he said.

"What would they do? Go down to the Green Zone and arrest (US Ambassador Zalmay) Khalilzad in the presence of a hundred thousand US soldiers?"

Ok, you have to admit that is a pretty funny comment.
Link


:laugh: Very funny indeed.

Marie Antoineete was pretty witty when she told the peasants to eat cake too, so??

OK, how about this; bush is a mass-murdering freak who should be tried for genocide and executed. Better?
 
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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
BAGHDAD - Anti-government insurgents are spreading false rumors about an attempted coup in Baghdad, the government said Saturday, as the city was placed under curfew.

"This is a rumor that takfiris (Sunni extremists) and terrorists are spreading," said Brigadier General Qassim Mussawi, the prime minister's military spokesman, when asked about rumors of an impending military coup.
So much for that idea.

Interior ministry spokesman Brigadier General Abdel Karim Khalaf laughed off the possibility of a coup.

"Who would be overthrowing whom? If you gave Baghdad to the army, they would say 'no, please keep it!'," he said.

"What would they do? Go down to the Green Zone and arrest (US Ambassador Zalmay) Khalilzad in the presence of a hundred thousand US soldiers?"
Ok, you have to admit that is a pretty funny comment.
Link

What's funny is the irony of your post and your inability to grasp it even slightly.
 

Lemon law

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While Kissinger may be intelligent---so are many serial killers who are equally morally bankrupt---and its extremely disturbing to see Kissinger is back peddling his poisonous ideas to the Bush administration.

And we had hoped Kissinger was gone with Nixon---Nixon was paranoid---GWB is just plain nuts. Nixon otherwise was an amazing man---who at the drop of a hat could discuss and disect the political problems of any nation on earth---and the ideas that drove the politics---the depth of Nixons knowledge was widely admired---too bad he lacked people skills and was morally bankrupt and ruthless.

GWB has none of Nixon's intelligence and knowledge and all of Nixon's faults.---but Kissinger's thinking is tailor made for the current administration---and both would fit in with the Nazi third reich quite well.

 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
GWB has none of Nixon's intelligence and knowledge and all of Nixon's faults.---but Kissinger's thinking is tailor made for the current administration---and both would fit in with the Nazi third reich quite well.

What is it with libbies and Nazi references? :confused:

The whole Kissinger thing is nothing but a big straw man devised by Woodward to sell books, and, naturally, the MSM buys it hook, line, and sinker. No surprise, as both have the same agendas.
 

conjur

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Yeah, Kissinger is so sweet and innocent.

Why did Kissinger recuse himself from the 9/11 Commission, skippy? HMMM????



Get a fvcking clue, fluffer.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: conjur
Get a fvcking clue, fluffer.

Go fluff yourself.

You're so desperate to bash Republicans you are constantly seeking a new straw man to go after. Let's get real. Kissinger? You can do better than that.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: conjur
Get a fvcking clue, fluffer.

Go fluff yourself.

You're so desperate to bash Republicans you are constantly seeking a new straw man to go after. Let's get real. Kissinger? You can do better than that.
Your "straw man" claim just went up in flames.

The Latest Kissinger OutrageWhy is a proven liar and wanted man in charge of the 9/11 investigation?
By Christopher Hitchens
http://www.slate.com/?id=2074678
2) When in office, Henry Kissinger organized massive deceptions of Congress and public opinion. The most notorious case concerned the "secret bombing" of Cambodia and Laos and the unleashing of unconstitutional methods by Nixon and Kissinger to repress dissent from this illegal and atrocious policy. But Sen. Frank Church's commission of inquiry into the abuses of U.S. intelligence, which focused on illegal assassinations and the subversion of democratic governments overseas, was given incomplete and misleading information by Kissinger, especially on the matter of Chile. Rep. Otis Pike's parallel inquiry in the House (which brought to light Kissinger's personal role in the not-insignificant matter of the betrayal of the Iraqi Kurds, among other offenses) was thwarted by Kissinger at every turn, and its eventual findings were classified. In other words, the new "commission" will be chaired by a man with a long, proven record of concealing evidence and of lying to Congress, the press, and the public.

3) In his second career as an obfuscator and a falsifier, Kissinger appropriated the records of his time at the State Department and took them on a truck to the Rockefeller family estate in New York. He has since been successfully sued for the return of much of this public property, but meanwhile he produced, for profit, three volumes of memoirs that purported to give a full account of his tenure. In several crucial instances, such as his rendering of U.S. diplomacy with China over Vietnam, with apartheid South Africa over Angola, and with Indonesia over the invasion of East Timor (to cite only some of the most conspicuous), declassified documents have since shown him to be a bald-faced liar. Does he deserve a third try at presenting a truthful record after being caught twice as a fabricator? And on such a grave matter as this?

4) Kissinger's "consulting" firm, Kissinger Associates, is a privately held concern that does not publish a client list and that compels its clients to sign confidentiality agreements. Nonetheless, it has been established that Kissinger's business dealings with, say, the Chinese Communist leadership have closely matched his public pronouncements on such things as the massacre of Chinese students. Given the strong ties between himself, his partners Lawrence Eagleburger and Brent Scowcroft, and the oil oligarchies of the Gulf, it must be time for at least a full disclosure of his interests in the region. This thought does not seem to have occurred to the president or to the other friends of Prince Bandar and Prince Bandar's wife, who helped in the evacuation of the Bin Laden family from American soil, without an interrogation, in the week after Sept. 11.

5) On Memorial Day 2001, Kissinger was visited by the police in the Ritz Hotel in Paris and handed a warrant, issued by Judge Roger LeLoire, requesting his testimony in the matter of disappeared French citizens in Pinochet's Chile. Kissinger chose to leave town rather than appear at the Palais de Justice as requested. He has since been summoned as a witness by senior magistrates in Chile and Argentina who are investigating the international terrorist network that went under the name "Operation Condor" and that conducted assassinations, kidnappings, and bombings in several countries. The most spectacular such incident occurred in rush-hour traffic in downtown Washington, D.C., in September 1976, killing a senior Chilean dissident and his American companion. Until recently, this was the worst incident of externally sponsored criminal violence conducted on American soil. The order for the attack was given by Gen. Augusto Pinochet, who has been vigorously defended from prosecution by Henry Kissinger.

Moreover, on Sept. 10, 2001, a civil suit was filed in a Washington, D.C., federal court, charging Kissinger with murder. The suit, brought by the survivors of Gen. Rene Schneider of Chile, asserts that Kissinger gave the order for the elimination of this constitutional officer of a democratic country because he refused to endorse plans for a military coup. Every single document in the prosecution case is a U.S.-government declassified paper. And the target of this devastating lawsuit is being invited to review the shortcomings of the "intelligence community"?

In late 2001, the Brazilian government canceled an invitation for Kissinger to speak in Sao Paulo because it could no longer guarantee his immunity. Earlier this year, a London court agreed to hear an application for Kissinger's imprisonment on war crimes charges while he was briefly in the United Kingdom. It is known that there are many countries to which he cannot travel at all, and it is also known that he takes legal advice before traveling anywhere. Does the Bush administration feel proud of appointing a man who is wanted in so many places, and wanted furthermore for his association with terrorism and crimes against humanity? Or does it hope to limit the scope of the inquiry to those areas where Kissinger has clients?

There is a tendency, some of it paranoid and disreputable, for the citizens of other countries and cultures to regard President Bush's "war on terror" as opportunist and even as contrived. I myself don't take any stock in such propaganda. But can Congress and the media be expected to swallow the appointment of a proven coverup artist, a discredited historian, a busted liar, and a man who is wanted in many jurisdictions for the vilest of offenses? The shame of this, and the open contempt for the families of our victims, ought to be the cause of a storm of protest.

That's from neocon-lover Hitchens, too.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
"Who would be overthrowing whom? If you gave Baghdad to the army, they would say 'no, please keep it!'," he said.

"What would they do? Go down to the Green Zone and arrest (US Ambassador Zalmay) Khalilzad in the presence of a hundred thousand US soldiers?"

Ok, you have to admit that is a pretty funny comment.
Link


:laugh: Very funny indeed.

Marie Antoineete was pretty witty when she told the peasants to eat cake too, so??

OK, how about this; bush is a mass-murdering freak who should be tried for genocide and executed. Better?

That's too close to the truth to be funny. :(