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Torture in Uzbekistan

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I never called for the death of you. I just thought, since you like death and torture so much, maybe you would be turned on watching from the front row seats! What made you think I was wishing your death?
 
Bush: Torture is wrong . . . (mumbled) most of the time.
Decent people: What was that?
Bush: Torture is wrong . . . I can guarantee that no prisoner will be tortured by US forces . . . (mumbled) anymore.
Decent people: Huh?! Nevermind. So the US will stop extraordinary renditions?
Bush: We will do whatever it takes to stop terrerrists.
Decent people: Does that include extraordinary renditions to countries that torture suspects?
Bush: We do not condone torture . . . (mumbled) but what happens in Uzbekistan stays in Uzbekistan.
 
Ok, genx87, would you mind revealing your religion and I can offer you a fair analogy to why some acts commited to you may not seem like torture to others but would seem like torture to you?
 
Originally posted by: Crimson
Translation of liberal P&N speak:

We're trolls, we can't come up with real arguments so we just say Bush is dumb..

This "article" is totally confusing. Are they expecting Bush to do something about torture in Uzbekistan? Is Bush President of Uzbekistan? On one hand liberals say we should stay out of other people's issues, but then they complain when we do. Make up your mind.

Then Mr. Sullivan starts going off on Water Boarding.. what the hell does that have to do with torture in Uzbekistan?
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thank you

 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
Maybe it would if the media and liberals werent going rabid over sleep deprevation as a form of torture, then maybe it would. The listing of the supposed abuses in Gitmo is appalling, appalling in the sense that it is considered torture.

Smearing ink on a mans face to give him the impression it is menstral blood is torture?

Sh!t people go to vegas on a weekly basis and pay thousands of dollars for that act.

Just let me know where you stand on what methods are ok in your book.
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When you get a clue as to Muslims customs, then come on back. Until then, keep your trolling and thread-crapping elsewhere.
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Oh I see when we need information about the next 9-11 we should worry about customs in another culture.

I get it, this is the PC war.
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What did Iraq have to do with 9/11? Oh yeah. NOTHING.

Nice of you to condone violating Geneva Conventions, though. Don't even think of bitching when our own troops get tortured when captured.
 
Originally posted by: impeachbush
I never called for the death of you. I just thought, since you like death and torture so much, maybe you would be turned on watching from the front row seats! What made you think I was wishing your death?
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Wishing I was at WTC. I think anybody would think that is the same as wishing they were dead.

If not then maybe you should elaborate your point more in the future.

Ok, genx87, would you mind revealing your religion and I can offer you a fair analogy to why some acts commited to you may not seem like torture to others but would seem like torture to you?
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My religion has nothing to do with it and I dont even practice.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87


Ok, genx87, would you mind revealing your religion and I can offer you a fair analogy to why some acts commited to you may not seem like torture to others but would seem like torture to you?
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My religion has nothing to do with it and I dont even practice.
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I was trying to explain why 'smearing fake menstrual' blood may seem like torture to some but seem ok to you. It's religious based and essentially in their culture. Personally I find it pretty nasty also.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
And like I said, are we going to conduct this war the PC way?
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Not the "PC way". The internationally legal and constitutional way. Although, the first two were tossed out by starting the war in the first place so why break with precedent?
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
And like I said, are we going to conduct this war the PC way?
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So are you suggesting the US should conduct war in a free-for-all fashion? Time to bring out the land mines and bio-weapons?
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
And like I said, are we going to conduct this war the PC way?
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Not the "PC way". The internationally legal and constitutional way. Although, the first two were tossed out by starting the war in the first place so why break with precedent?
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Curious if the international laws have a ruliing on sleep deprevation and smearing ink on ones face.

Constitutional way works with internal terrorists who are US citizens. No way in hell should we be extending our constitutional gurantees to foreigners cauight on battlefields in lands on the other side of the world.



 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
And like I said, are we going to conduct this war the PC way?
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Not the "PC way". The internationally legal and constitutional way. Although, the first two were tossed out by starting the war in the first place so why break with precedent?
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Curious if the international laws have a ruliing on sleep deprevation and smearing ink on ones face.

Constitutional way works with internal terrorists who are US citizens. No way in hell should we be extending our constitutional gurantees to foreigners cauight on battlefields in lands on the other side of the world.
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How about the good ol' geneva convention? Throw it away?
 
I don't have a problem with sleep deprivation or the "ink" thing, but the US should not be sending detainees to the Uzbeks so they can be boiled alive, or to Egypt where they're tied down and raped by trained dogs. Orchestrating and allowing this 3rd party sadism won't win us hearts and minds, it backs up the already popular notion "out there" that our forces and government are run by twisted perverts.


Honor and dignity anyone?
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
And like I said, are we going to conduct this war the PC way?
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Not the "PC way". The internationally legal and constitutional way. Although, the first two were tossed out by starting the war in the first place so why break with precedent?
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Curious if the international laws have a ruliing on sleep deprevation and smearing ink on ones face.
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I don't know. However electrocuting prisoners, beating and bashing prisoners, drowning prisoners, and killing prisoners through mistreatment are illegal under international human rights treaties and treaties pertaining to the treatment of prisoners. All of these things have been done to prisoners of the US military who were deported to countries like Egypt, Uzbekistan, etc.

Originally posted by: Genx87
Constitutional way works with internal terrorists who are US citizens. No way in hell should we be extending our constitutional gurantees to foreigners cauight on battlefields in lands on the other side of the world.
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If you are going to put those foreigners on trial under US law, then IMO you have a moral obligation to extend them the rights and protections available under US law. If you don't want to do that, then send those prisoners to an international court.



 
Originally posted by: kage69
I don't have a problem with sleep deprivation or the "ink" thing, but the US should not be sending detainees to the Uzbeks so they can be boiled alive, or to Egypt where they're tied down and raped by trained dogs. Orchestrating and allowing this 3rd party sadism won't win us hearts and minds, it backs up the already popular notion "out there" that our forces and government are run by twisted perverts.


Honor and dignity anyone?
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Here is the thing. I dont think we should be doing that either if they are indeed doing this. The problem is the few who have come out and said this happened werent what I would call reliable.

But I can see the point in having a 3rd party conduct sleep deprevation when if we look at the terrorists with a grimace we are accused of violating their human rights by the media and lefties.


 
Well good on ya then, but I think it's naive to think for instance that the Egyptian Secret Service will stick to sleep-deprivation as an interrogation method. The standard 'Welcome to Cairo' routine is having your finger-nails ripped out.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
And like I said, are we going to conduct this war the PC way?
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Not the "PC way". The internationally legal and constitutional way. Although, the first two were tossed out by starting the war in the first place so why break with precedent?
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:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Doesnt apply to illegal combatants.
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I'm not well caught up on laws, so what applies to illegal combatants. Can we pluck their eyes out in glee now?
 
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