Torture and Serial Killers

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Smoblikat

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The point of his question is to find closure. How do you know she's dead? Maybe he sold her into sex trafficking.

Do you stop searching on his word alone, maybe he's a liar.

Again, I really am the wrong person for this question. I dont care about other people enough to wonder "what if" and "maybe". Plus, I hate children, so I will never be in this position.
 

bshole

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You have stated that white jurors should be given lie detector tests to prove they were not racist. Just seeing where you stand with those who would torture a black suspect.

Only a total scumbag would torture somebody because they were black. Thats where I stand.
 

Fern

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It will be interesting to know exactly what evidence they have on this guy and how they really were able to hone in and identify him.

- Merg

I'm hearing DNA evidence identified him as a suspect in the earlier case. I'm also hearing he may a suspect in another even earlier case. Rape appears to be involved thus I suspect semen.

I believe he was initially identified in the current case from surveillance tapes.

Fern
 

Fern

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Domestic law enforcement should not be permitted to employ coercive techniques.

Unlike many, I do not consider waterboarding to be torture. I reserve that term for procedures more ghastly. In any case, coercive force employed to make him reveal the location of the body would, IMO, be a violation of his 5th amendment rights against self-incrimination. Even if only done after a conviction, he may still have appeal rights etc.

Fern
 

brycejones

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Domestic law enforcement should not be permitted to employ coercive techniques.

Unlike many, I do not consider waterboarding to be torture.

1. Agreed

2. How can you not considering putting people in a position where they feel like they are drowning to be torture?
 

Fern

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1. Agreed

2. How can you not considering putting people in a position where they feel like they are drowning to be torture?

I consider torture to include physical pain and damage. E.g., breaking bones, pulling out fingernails and whatnot (think Japanese and WWII). I.e., I consider fear and torture to be two different things. As I said, most disagree.

Fern
 

bshole

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Domestic law enforcement should not be permitted to employ coercive techniques.

Unlike many, I do not consider waterboarding to be torture. I reserve that term for procedures more ghastly. In any case, coercive force employed to make him reveal the location of the body would, IMO, be a violation of his 5th amendment rights against self-incrimination. Even if only done after a conviction, he may still have appeal rights etc.

Fern

Why is it legal for him to torture the parents of this girl by not telling them where he dumped the body? Why is it legal for him to use this information as an instrument to reduce his sentence?
 

Fern

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Why is it legal for him to torture the parents of this girl by not telling them where he dumped the body? Why is it legal for him to use this information as an instrument to reduce his sentence?

I already mentioned it: The 5th amendment.

Fern
 

Knowing

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Absolutely not, but some people's stomach for unconscionable and unconstitutional things changes with the administration in power.
 

master_shake_

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Domestic law enforcement should not be permitted to employ coercive techniques.

Unlike many, I do not consider waterboarding to be torture. I reserve that term for procedures more ghastly. In any case, coercive force employed to make him reveal the location of the body would, IMO, be a violation of his 5th amendment rights against self-incrimination. Even if only done after a conviction, he may still have appeal rights etc.

Fern

simulated drowning not torture...

ok then :hmm:

maybe you should try it.
 

TreVader

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I am sure everybody is aware of Jesse Matthew the serial killer responsible for the rape and murder of Hannah Graham. At this point it is slam dunk that he will get the death penalty. The question is: would you be OK with the government waterboarding Jesse Matthew to force him to disclose the location of her body? This would not be done to punish Jesse but to provide some closure for her family.


http://www.christianpost.com/news/h...ked-to-rape-murder-of-another-student-127216/

I think we can all agree that it's OK to torture people in any "missing white woman" (MWW) case. There is nothing more important than missing white women and celebrity babies. And she's hot too! That definitely means torture, no doubt about it.




That is why you're so upset, right? Why don't I ever hear about all the missing homely latino girls? I mean they had 3 in that basement for 10 years and nobody cared!
 
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would you be OK with the government waterboarding Jesse Matthew to force him to disclose the location of her body?
Absolutely not. I do not condone the torture people, whether privately or through the force of government, even if those people have wronged us in horrific ways. We're not a bunch of animals that some of these serial killers are and we should aspire to be better than they are instead of lowering ourselves to their level.