Toronto van-attack terrorist linked to misogynist "incel" movement

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When we start complaining about AT dying out, I wonder if it's because so many members moved off to become busy with their niche interests groups...like these incel forums.
Should see the dark web and these groups celebrating this idiot starting the revolution. If they ever leave their parents basements this could be bad.
 

Chaotic42

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Holy crap. I must be old... and a Chad. I had no inkling about this Incel crap.

I knew loosely about GG and about how the over the top feminists were attacked by a bunch of angry guys. But holy crap this is just pathetic.
Yeah, I didn't know what any of this was either. I wonder if safe, legal, regulated prostitution would help keep some of these dudes from going off the deep end. I read somewhere (I know, that's a great sourcing job by me) that one of the societal issues with polygamy was that it meant there were more men without wives. Young, sexually frustrated, disenfranchised men tend to get into trouble.
 

Vic

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I guess hanging out with a bunch of other guys who aren't getting laid isn't the best strategy for getting laid. Seems to me that hanging out with <your gender preference here> who are getting laid or doing the laying would be a better option.
I agree. Seems like hating women, and always hanging around other guys who hate women, so that they can all talk about how much they hate women, is a more likely reason for why the incels can't get laid than any other reason.
 

brycejones

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I agree. Seems like hating women, and always hanging around other guys who hate women, so that they can all talk about how much they hate women, is a more likely reason for why the incels can't get laid than any other reason.

See underoos and our long gone toaster lover
 

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Wow, "incels" as a hate group are really a thing? We've got men openly justifying hate and violence now because they can't get laid? Reading that article almost makes me ashamed to be a man.

Again though, I wonder if there's not a commonality with at least some Islamists. Reading the account of those held hostage by Islamists (of some variety) in Beruit in the '80s something they mention more than once is the sense of immense sexual-frustration those hostage takers often displayed - due to the intensely repressive sexual mores of their society - which seemed to feed their brutality.

Though the trouble is, making that connection is troublingly close to conceding the crazy 'incel' claims, that they are somehow 'owed' sex and that it's not their fault if they turn violent without it. So maybe that's a mistake. I'm stumped as to what the 'right' way to address this is. Something has messed these guys up.
 

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Again though, I wonder if there's not a commonality with at least some Islamists. Reading the account of those held hostage by Islamists (of some variety) in Beruit in the '80s something they mention more than once is the sense of immense sexual-frustration those hostage takers often displayed - due to the intensely repressive sexual mores of their society - which seemed to feed their brutality.

Though the trouble is, making that connection is troublingly close to conceding the crazy 'incel' claims, that they are somehow 'owed' sex and that it's not their fault if they turn violent without it. So maybe that's a mistake. I'm stumped as to what the 'right' way to address this is. Something has messed these guys up.

Agreed. Some folks are just fucked in the head. They have no ability to empathize with others and can only recognize their own needs and pain. Add enough sexual frustration and feelings of marginalization and they end up renting a truck and driving over innocent people.

It's good that we try to identify what set them off and work to deal with that to prevent these kinds of evil, tragic attacks. Still, we can't absolve them of all responsibility for their actions when we try to do so. And we should not overly fret if we have no simple answer on how to "fix" them.

A child might be angry that he can't have candy, but we still punish him if he steals it so that he learns there is no justification for evil behavior. That's the fundamental concept of civilization: denying your selfish and barbaric desires for the greater societal good.
 
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Yeah, I didn't know what any of this was either. I wonder if safe, legal, regulated prostitution would help keep some of these dudes from going off the deep end. I read somewhere (I know, that's a great sourcing job by me) that one of the societal issues with polygamy was that it meant there were more men without wives. Young, sexually frustrated, disenfranchised men tend to get into trouble.

I personally tend to doubt prostitution would solve the problem (although I support legal prostitution). My sense of these guys is while I’m sure they want sex, what they really want is validation, some emotional connection, etc that they can’t get for whatever reason.

From what I can see these people are generally the NiceGuys who complain how unfair it is that they listen to women and have conversations with them and spend time with them and yet these women never reciprocate by sleeping with them, making the women stupid and selfish. It never dawns on them that viewing your relationship with another human as transactional, basically saying that you are only wasting your time with them for their vagina, is an incredibly toxic way to approach people and probably has a lot to do with why they can’t get laid. I’m no relationship counselor but if they were less sociopathic it would probably help.
 
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Again though, I wonder if there's not a commonality with at least some Islamists. Reading the account of those held hostage by Islamists (of some variety) in Beruit in the '80s something they mention more than once is the sense of immense sexual-frustration those hostage takers often displayed - due to the intensely repressive sexual mores of their society - which seemed to feed their brutality.

Though the trouble is, making that connection is troublingly close to conceding the crazy 'incel' claims, that they are somehow 'owed' sex

I don’t follow. Who is going to argue for forcing women to have sex with them just because sexual frustration can lead to bitterness, depression, homicidal thoughts, etc.?

I personally tend to doubt prostitution would solve the problem (although I support legal prostitution). My sense of these guys is while I’m sure they want sex, what they really want is validation, some emotional connection, etc that they can’t get for whatever reason.

Prostitution is obviously not a substitute for a relationship.
 

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Scott Adams (author of Dilbert) is apparently kookier than a cuckoo clock:
http://blog.dilbert.com/2015/11/17/global-gender-war/

cuckoo said:
While I’m being politically incorrect, let me describe to you the mind of a teenage boy. Our frontal lobes aren’t complete. We don’t imagine the future. Our bodies want sex more than we want to stay alive. Literally. Lonely boys tend to be suicidal when the odds of future female companionship are low.

So if you are wondering how men become cold-blooded killers, it isn’t religion that is doing it. If you put me in that situation, I can say with confidence I would sign up for suicide bomb duty. And I’m not even a believer. Men like hugging better than they like killing. But if you take away my access to hugging, I will probably start killing, just to feel something. I’m designed that way. I’m a normal boy. And I make no apology for it.
 

JSt0rm

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the internet was a bad idea. Incels. lol.

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no wonder atot is dead. they all moved on to incel.me
 

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I don’t follow. Who is going to argue for forcing women to have sex with them just because sexual frustration can lead to bitterness, depression, homicidal thoughts, etc.?

Well, some of the guys this discussion is about, apparently, who have argued exactly that.

I feel some of these guys are victims of a sort, in that they are victims of a culture and society that has somehow put these messed-up ideas in their heads. The concepts they are building their mad theories from didn't just arise from nowhere. But I dunno what the answer is, beyond some hippy-dippy wish society would be a bit nicer and somehow do better at teaching people how to interact with other people better, and how to feel better about themselves.
 

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You know, this and the Cosby verdict are disconcertingly connected, when you think about it. Cosby, in many ways, is the other side of the same misogynist coin as the Toronto killer: both feel entitled to sex and treat women like dirt. The difference is that Cosby had enough social skills to get close to women and drug them; the Toronto killer didn't, so he used a violent outburst instead.

Also, how sad is it that it took 60 women, Cosby's own remarks and a male comedian's off-hand statement to put Cosby behind bars? He should have been convicted decades ago. To me, this illustrates how many men create an impossible standard for women's sexual assault claims. They'll whine about the supposed threat of false rape accusations, but they'll simultaneously hesitate to believe legitimate accusations until the evidence is so overwhelming that you'd have to be willfully ignorant to deny it. And even then, there was still the chorus of apologists who refused to make any pronouncements on Cosby until he was found guilty.
 

JSt0rm

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incels have broken brains. They literally think sex with women is some commodity but they will refuse to pay for it...

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The blood of dead kids is on your hands, cucktears! posted:
You did this. By your constant bullying. You bullied incels in highschool, you pushed them, you refused to be their friends. And you too girls, you refused to give them affection, you refused to give them a touch. That's all nikolas wanted.

And after you got out of highschool you just tell us "everyone is immature in highschool, get over it, grow up" and then you continue your bullying crusade of incels online. making fun of us. making jokes about us not being able to get laid. victim blaming us. telling us its our own faults we have bad facial genetics.

Screw you, you murderers. this is your fault. every dead kid is attributed to you!
 

JSt0rm

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this is dark. The "ideal" woman for one of these broke brained idiots...

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