Toronto Hindus oppose Muslim prayers at canadian school

[Braznor]

http://in.news.yahoo.com/toronto-hindus-oppose-muslim-prayers-school-035503859.html

Toronto, July 5 (IANS) Friday nawaz prayers at a school in the Toronto suburb of North York have angered Hindu advocacy groups here.
The noon-time prayers for 400 Muslim students of the Valley Park Middle School were introduced last November.
Angry Hindu advocacy groups want the 40-minute prayers, which are conducted by an imam specially brought from a mosque, to be stopped immediately.
The local Canadian Hindu Advocacy, led by Ron Banerjee, is roping in various Hindu organizations to hold protests outside the school to pressure management to stop the Friday prayers. 'This is alarming and unacceptable. We respect the separation of church and state,' Banerjee has said in interviews to the media.
'There's not supposed to be any religious classes taking place in public schools. We will be asking the board to stop the practice,' according to Banerjee.
He says his group is writing letters to the Toronto District School Board (TDSB) to intervene to stop the practice being allowed by the school management.
The school has the responsibility for ensuring secular education for students, the Hindu advocacy leader adds.
Banerjee says upset parents of Hindu students at the Valley Park Middle School have brought this practice to their notice.
He said Hindu groups will also raise objections to 'the serving of halal meat within TDSB schools. Our organization is determined to ensure all Hindu students are provided non-halal meat alternatives.'
Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus are the biggest non-white communities of the Toronto area.
(Gurmukh Singh can be contacted at gurmukh.s@ians.in)

Good to see Hindus going about this. Why are these Muslim kids special?

 

[chimak]

Hillarious.

Glad that others are also suffering from this muslims.

ISLAM the threat.

 

[Siddhartha]

Does anyone commenting on the OP live in Toronto?

 

[Braznor]

Does anyone commenting on the OP live in Toronto?

The local Canadian Hindu Advocacy

 

[1prophet]

http://in.news.yahoo.com/toronto-hindus-oppose-muslim-prayers-school-035503859.html



Good to see Hindus going about this. Why are these Muslim kids special?

Angry Hindu advocacy groups want the 40-minute prayers, which are conducted by an imam specially brought from a mosque, to be stopped immediately.

It's not Muslim kids but rather the cowards in the west who have been brainwashed through multiculturalism propaganda that somehow the separation of religion and state shouldn't apply to Islam.

 

[William Gaatjes]

It's not Muslim kids but rather the cowards in the west who have been brainwashed through multiculturalism propaganda that somehow the separation of religion and state shouldn't apply to Islam.

There is another issue that is abused. When Muslims are not allowed to pray in a school that has no affinity to any religion, Islamic schools are started and the Muslims will go to these schools. Do not get me wrong, this is reality in the west. When these Islam schools should be denied, what will happen then ?
It should not just be separation of church and state but also church and school. This is difficult to implement because many Christian and Catholic schools exist as well. And it is to be expected that Muslims will complain of unfair treatment when Muslim schools are denied. The only real answer is to attack and destroy the religious extremists and the religious orthodox. Because these are psychopaths who abuse the religious faith of people. We can all get along but not as long someone can claim one religion is better over the other. If this does not end, the violence will not stop.
Praying should be done at home. Moral teachings belong on the street, at home and in school. And no matter what the religion is or no religion at all, we can all set pretty good guidelines about morality and the distinction between right and wrong.

 

[chimak]

True true.

This is a classic muslim ploy.

GO muslims go.. ..........destroy canada and canadian values and life too.

Hillarious

i personally love canda. Canda has no chance against the muslims.

 

[yllus]

Does anyone commenting on the OP live in Toronto?

I live in Toronto and believe this absolutely should not take place. This is a public school, taking public funds, and should not in any way make special arrangements for a religion.

 

[actuarial]

There's a whole lot missing from the article that would sway my opinion one way or the other on this.

1) Is this done during class time, or the kids' lunch time?
2) Is it optional for students, or mandatory?
3) Is the school paying the Imam to come in, is he coming in for free, or is a group of parents paying for it?

If it doesn't interfere with scheduled class time, is optional, and the school isn't paying anything for it, then I don't see the problem with it. It would be no different than any other lunch time club. Otherwise I do.

And one other point: there's no assumption of keeping religion out of school in Canada (something I think should change, but it isn't right now). There's a whole publicly funded catholic school system.

But the cafeteria certainly shouldn't only serve one religion's food.

 

[shiner]

There is another issue that is abused. When Muslims are not allowed to pray in a school that has no affinity to any religion, Islamic schools are started and the Muslims will go to these schools. Do not get me wrong, this is reality in the west. When these Islam schools should be denied, what will happen then ?
It should not just be separation of church and state but also church and school. This is difficult to implement because many Christian and Catholic schools exist as well. And it is to be expected that Muslims will complain of unfair treatment when Muslim schools are denied. The only real answer is to attack and destroy the religious extremists and the religious orthodox. Because these are psychopaths who abuse the religious faith of people. We can all get along but not as long someone can claim one religion is better over the other. If this does not end, the violence will not stop.
Praying should be done at home. Moral teachings belong on the street, at home and in school. And no matter what the religion is or no religion at all, we can all set pretty good guidelines about morality and the distinction between right and wrong.

"You have misunderstood me, it is too my wish for hinduism to roar like a lion, wage a relentless and victorious war against Islamism, crush all it's enemies and bring about truth and justice on this world (a role the US has failed to perform) It is my wish that Hindu men and women are proclaimed amongst the mightiest and noblest warriors in the annals of human history and future. It is my wish that our great nation rise above its pettiness, its pseudo secularism, its hyprocrasy of socialism and communism, its appeasement of minorities and finds its original roots in the sole sustainer of her destiny, hinduism. It is my wish that our nation would conquer the world with the twin swords of righteous might and justice and free humanity from the bondage of evil men.

What I referred to in my previous post was nothing more than the hypocracy of pseudo secular media's perception of the vedic crusade. Our media would prefer the hindus to live the life of cattle, without a voice, without rights, without a saying, ripe for slaying from the islamic monsters and the church fiends.

Believe me CKP, there is indeed justice and dharma in this world, the monsters I referred to above shall reap bloody fruits of their own hate and Hinduism shall be the sole victor of the next great World War." - Braznor

or either of these doozies:

"Nostradamus has predicted that an ancient civilisation under the great mountains(the himalayas) in the East would conquer the whole world. I eagerly await our revenge and conquest!!!!!!" - Braznor


"I want Bharat to have the great space fleet and dominate the universe for all time and space!!!!!!!" - Braznor

For more Braznor LOL's see Here

 

[William Gaatjes]

Hello Pot, meet Kettle.

"You have misunderstood me, it is too my wish for hinduism to roar like a lion, wage a relentless and victorious war against Islamism, crush all it's enemies and bring about truth and justice on this world (a role the US has failed to perform) It is my wish that Hindu men and women are proclaimed amongst the mightiest and noblest warriors in the annals of human history and future. It is my wish that our great nation rise above its pettiness, its pseudo secularism, its hyprocrasy of socialism and communism, its appeasement of minorities and finds its original roots in the sole sustainer of her destiny, hinduism. It is my wish that our nation would conquer the world with the twin swords of righteous might and justice and free humanity from the bondage of evil men.

What I referred to in my previous post was nothing more than the hypocracy of pseudo secular media's perception of the vedic crusade. Our media would prefer the hindus to live the life of cattle, without a voice, without rights, without a saying, ripe for slaying from the islamic monsters and the church fiends.

Believe me CKP, there is indeed justice and dharma in this world, the monsters I referred to above shall reap bloody fruits of their own hate and Hinduism shall be the sole victor of the next great World War." - Braznor

or either of these doozies:

"Nostradamus has predicted that an ancient civilisation under the great mountains(the himalayas) in the East would conquer the whole world. I eagerly await our revenge and conquest!!!!!!" - Braznor


"I want Bharat to have the great space fleet and dominate the universe for all time and space!!!!!!!" - Braznor

For more Braznor LOL's see Here

I see... Well, i did not make any distinction. I have the same principle for all religions and for no religion at all. My hope : Religious views practiced at home. Science, moral values, love and respect for each other at home, school and on the street. For me it is the same as reading about Christian schools that teach creationism and the start of the earth 4000 year ago.
Using the faith of people to keep them in the "dark" is very wrong. But it is just me and probably a handful others...

 

[Texashiker]

For once, I am glad to see no Christians involved.

 

[Braznor]

I see... Well, i did not make any distinction. I have the same principle for all religions and for no religion at all. My hope : Religious views practiced at home. Science, moral values, love and respect for each other at home, school and on the street. For me it is the same as reading about Christian schools that teach creationism and the start of the earth 4000 year ago.
Using the faith of people to keep them in the "dark" is very wrong. But it is just me and probably a handful others...

You have an open mind. How about you go and read about Hinduism? Most probably you won't bother, but if you what you find will surprise you.

Hindu philosophers (most were saints) very much scientists of the ancient era.

For example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_mathematics

Indian mathematics emerged in the Indian subcontinent[1] from 1200 BCE [2] until the end of the 18th century. In the classical period of Indian mathematics (400 AD to 1200 AD), important contributions were made by scholars like Aryabhata, Brahmagupta, and Bhaskara II. The decimal number system in use today[3] were first recorded in Indian mathematics.[4] Indian mathematicians made early contributions to the study of the concept of zero as a number,[5] negative numbers,[6]arithmetic, and algebra.[7] In addition, trigonometry[8] was further advanced in India, and, in particular, the modern definitions of sine and cosine were developed there.[9] These mathematical concepts were transmitted to the Middle East, China, and Europe[7] and led to further developments that now for m the foundations of many areas of mathematics.

 

[shiner]

I see... Well, i did not make any distinction. I have the same principle for all religions and for no religion at all. My hope : Religious views practiced at home. Science, moral values, love and respect for each other at home, school and on the street. For me it is the same as reading about Christian schools that teach creationism and the start of the earth 4000 year ago.
Using the faith of people to keep them in the "dark" is very wrong. But it is just me and probably a handful others...

Oh I agree...just wanted to point out that the OP is getting all worked up about a "muslim threat" while at the same time preaching for a Hindu conquest of the world.

 

[Kadarin]

Islam is fundamentally incompatible with Western society; next thing you know, Muslims would insist on building minarets at these schools and have some idiot calling for prayers.

 

[sandorski]

This strikes me of being motivated by Old World conflicts being brought to our shores, more than anything. Back in the '70's/80's it was Sikh vs Hindu, now Hindu vs Muslim. I understand that scars run deep, but understand that all these historical events took place elsewhere and Here we do things differently. Let go of the past and look to the future.

This is why All Religion is Fail, IMO. It just won't let go of the Past and instead it enshrines it with Meaning that shouldn't be. Religion is a quaint construct that may have let your ancestors cope with a shitty situation, but their construct was meant to bring about a world without the shit. If that construct now just tries to hang on to the shit, you should seriously question whether your ancestors would still approve of it. I suspect they might not.

 

[RabidMongoose]

This is probably a result of Canadians following a monarchy. Canadians with generational roots in Canada actually worship a discriminatory and ridiculous institution like the UK monarchy, so why shouldn't people from other societies also bring in 'old world conflicts' from their own country? I mean, come on, the Canadian people generally believe in the supremacy of one bloodline above all else, this type of conflict between competing fairy tales isn't even as bad as that...

 

[Schadenfroh]

School children have > 40 minutes to eat lunch (assuming more if they conduct noon prayers and each lunch during that time)? Ours only lasted 25 minutes...

Since Canada's monarch is the same as the head of the Anglican Church, I am going to assume that separation of church and state is not the same as it is in the states. So, my opinion on this is based on my US perspective.

If this is a private school, they can do as they please in this regard.

If this is a public school:
* If the students are not required to participate, no harm done.
* If the students do it during their free time during lunch and it does not impact their studies, no harm done.
* Schools should not offer alternatives for meals served at the cafeteria (other than maybe getting extra vegetables if you do not want meat), if you do not want to eat what they serve, bring your own lunch.
* The school should not pay for the prayer service or for the transportation of those conducting it. They should be welcome to use vacant public areas at the school, with permission, as long as it does not disturb others.

 

[Throckmorton]

This is probably a result of Canadians following a monarchy. Canadians with generational roots in Canada actually worship a discriminatory and ridiculous institution like the UK monarchy, so why shouldn't people from other societies also bring in 'old world conflicts' from their own country? I mean, come on, the Canadian people generally believe in the supremacy of one bloodline above all else, this type of conflict between competing fairy tales isn't even as bad as that...

1776 called, they want their rants about the monarchy back.

 

[werepossum]

1776 called, they want their rants about the monarchy back.

Made me laugh, thanks!