Topic Change: Name this Ancient Chinese Novel -> Japanese Colonialism over Korea -> Similarities between Kor, Japs and Chinks

[CuriousAndy]

In Korean, it's pronounced Sam beloved patriot Ki (meaning Three nation flags? I don't know)

It's written in China hundreds, perhaps thousands of years ago.. it's a very popular novel that is read presently throughout Korea, Japan and China itself.

The main story deals this character named Yoo Bi (once again, this is Korean pronounciation) who's a decendant of this royal family. It lives a simple life farming and supporting his lonely mother. China (not China, back then it was called something Dynasty) is plagued by this huge orgainzied group of rebel that majorly hinder the nation.

Yoo Bi accidently comes across this guy named Jang Bi and Gwan Woo. Soon, they gather together and swear their unconditional brotherhood and decide to set the nation straight by getting rid of this plaguing rebel.. and the story unfolds from there.

This novel is Very popular.. however I do not know what it's called in Chinese. If you are Chinese or Do know what I'm talking about, please tell me what the novel is called in Chinese..

or even better, if you have any links about that novel please do..

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Also, are you also familiar with this another Chinese Novel named Suh Yoo Gi?

It's about this cursed Monkey-human(Son Goku),Pig-human (Juh Pal Gae), and this Seamonster and a Budda Monk taking a long journey to reach Enlightenment.

It's very popular throughout Japan, Korea, and China itself as well

and Later.. this some little unknown cartoonist(sarcasm) named Akira Toriyama in Japan took this theme from the novel and created a ever so popular cartoon series called Dragonball



-mooOO

 

[Buddhist]

Thats the story of the three kingdoms of wei, wu and shu-han.

In japan its known as "Sangoku-shi"

Ryu-bi is the head guy (japanese pronounciation)
Kwan-yu is the guy who is now a chinese diety often see in rest. with a bright red face.
and chung fei or cho hei is the wild and crazy incredibly powerful but not so bright general.
and theres a game out there called "Romance of the three kingdoms"


-M.T.O

 

[CuriousAndy]

so it's called

Sangoku-shi in Japanese

Sam beloved patriot Gi in Korean


notice the similar pronounciation? now, what's it called in Chinese? I have to let my chinese friend know about this novel.. He prolly knows it but I don't konw how to refer to it well

 

[Buddhist]

in chinese its something similiar. trust me
hehe

san = (three) goku = (countries) shi = (poem/story in japanese)

if you could write it in japanese the chinese would get it...hehe

good luck!
-M.T.O

 

[CuriousAndy]

Buddist I just edited the main thread, read it.. are u familiar with that novel as well that Dragonball saga was based on?

 

[tom3]

it's called San Guo Chi(Gi) in Chinese Mandarin

San = three
Guo = country
Chi = documentary (loosely translated)

Better known in English as "Romance of the Three Kingdoms (or Dynasties)".. Re-popularized in the late 80's throughout the 90's by Japanese novelist and video game makers. Koei made a living off of making strategy games based on this story. "Dynasty warriors" for the PS2 is loosely based on the same story as well.

 

[CuriousAndy]

ok.. how about Suh Yoo Gi

anyone familar with that as well?

 

[tom3]

The second story you asked about is called Shee Yo Ji.

Shee = west
Yo = journey
Ji = documentary

Very familiar with it. The monkey-human (Shiun woo kong) was actually not cursed. He was a god who got casted down to the earth to help the monk (Tang San Tzan) travel to the west (India) to acquire manuscripts for Buddahism.

 

[Buddhist]

"Buddist I just edited the main thread, read it.. are u familiar with that novel as well that Dragonball saga was based on? "

Yup...very familiar with it too. hehe

to add on to what tom 3 said...

the monkey god also was placed under the priests control via the crown around his head which would crush his head or something to this nature whenever he didn't obey the priest.

-M.T.O

 

[CuriousAndy]

Yea.. I loved Suh Yoo Ki

there were so many cartoons on that story.. I basically grew up with that story.. this is almost like American kids growing up with StarWars.

Yea, you're right, Son Oh Gong(Sun Goku in Japanese) was a God that has the ability to morph into 64 different animals/insects and had this magic stick that change in size/length (also popular in Dragonball series, what Goku had for weapon).
He also flew in this magic cloud called Kun Doo Oon (korean pronounciation)

Obviously, you can tell that Dragonball series took lots of elements from that novel

 

[Buddhist]

well thats what you get for growing up in one of the following

taiwan,
china,
japan,
korea.

hehe

-M.T.O

 

[CuriousAndy]

Notice the similaries between three languages in Asia?

Japanses and Korean based their language on ancient Chinese. Although all three languages are totally different from one another, and one cannot understand the other language..because Korean and Japanses are simplified and *modernized* in their own way.

But the base of the words are evident..



This is a very similar pattern seen between English, Espanol, French, I'taliano.

Their sentence structure and roots of words (prefix, suffix) are all similar across those four languages.. because they are based on Latin. Just like we base it on Chinese..


Very Interesting speculation..

 

[Buddhist]

errr
indeeeeeeeeeed...

korean is stick figure language! AHHH!

*runs*
hehe

-M.T.O

 

[CuriousAndy]

Korean is very easy to learn.. I taught my american friend how to read them in literally one week..

Korean's *stick figure* nature makes the language easy to write in their acculumative style.. somewhat similar to English..

example:

(english)
Singer = S . ing . er

(korean)
Gasoo = Ga . S . Oo (means singer in Korean)

They abandoned the traditional nature of Chinese where you had to memorize every character by character. (i heard 800+?) Korean is composed of 14 consonants and 16 fixed vowels.

I see lots of similarity in writing in Japanese with Chinese.. as opposed to Korean.. they're very modernized in their own way as well.. but not too sure... Any japanses here?

 

[Buddhist]

i'm half japanese half american, born and raised in japan.

Although korean is stick figure language...hehe it is indeed one of the most advanced languages in the world as it is one of the most modern as well as easiest to learn.

"heard 800+?)"

Try more like 10,000+ for chinese (including ancient characters not used too often these days)

and more like 6000+ for japanese (including ancient charachters not used too often these days.)

-M.T.O

 

[CuriousAndy]

How does Japanese work?
I'm Korean-American, came to US at the age of 13.. I'm now 19


I noticed lots of similarity in pronounciation between Korean and Japanese.

The word Promise is Yak Sok in Korean, also Yak Sok in Japanses as well

Intuition = Gam (Korean) also Gam in Japanese
Stupid = Babo/Bah-ga also Baka in Japanese

and many more.. i'll edit this post when I come up with more


I noticed this while watching this Japanses anime called Evangelion.. It was in Japanese with English subtitles and noticed the similarities through:

1: hearing the Japanese speaking
2: Understanding it with English subtitle
3: applying into Korean in my head

how funny... ahhh~ the advantage of being bilangual

 

[Buddhist]

"The word Promise is Yak Sok in Korean, also Yak Sok in Japanses as well"

uhmm things like that are similar...more then likely because...i hate to say it but...

cause the japanese forced the koreans to learn japanese as their national language when they invaded the korean peninsula. The youth were forced to speak japanese only and thus many older koreans are fluent in both korean and japanese.

Maybe thats why pronounciations are similar...=\

-M.T.O

 

[CuriousAndy]

Have you heard of the news where Japanese purposely changed the content of their history book taught to young students?

The history book incorrectly reports and hide the fact that Japanese attacked Korea and China and all the cruelty and human experiements done to Koreans and Chinese. This was posted on ATOT here previously.. I'll look it up for the official link

I have no grudge against Japanese and I do not treat them differently. I find it stubborn and ignorant to judge Japanese people around me because of what their nation has done to us. I have many Japanese friends.

However, what Japan has done to Korea historically Does enrage me and I'll never forgive them.. The human experiments they performed on Koreans, doing chemical tests like we're lab animals.
The way Japanese took all our talented and skilled potters and claimed it to be their own culture.. Numerous cruel murders.. one case where they locked up all Korean villagers into this church, and burned them alive.. if you tried to get out, they shot you.. The way they raped my grandma and shot her child that was in their way....

anyways.. I guess I got a lil carried away.. How do You feel about this as a Japanese? In no way I'm mocking you, I'm just curious how you feel about this in historical point of view and How you feel about this as an individual

As a Japanese, Are you shameful? prideful? or simply do not care?



(eh.. i guess i Am getting a lil carried away)

 

[Doggiedog]

Well, in Japanese there are usually 2 ways of reading Chinese characters. On yomi and Kun yomi. In On yomi, which is the Chinese way, you get things like Sangoku. But it can also be read mitsu kuni which is Kun yomi which it isn't proper.

 

[Buddhist]

Historically i think its disgusting...but if you look at any other culture you'll see they too have been guilty of humanity supressing disgusting acts.

Personally, i'm extremely disappointed and abhorred in the Japanese for what they did and have always felt so. Its a point of complete shame and most certainly the low point of Japans history.

As for the reason why the japanese have chosen to rewrite some of their history books to not include it...i'm sure you might understand when i say the reason for it is because of the fact that they are so ashamd. The japanese culture is one of non-confrontation and rather complete acceptance for one's own shame. Examples of this are exhiles and ritualistic suicide. In other words, the japanese people as a whole are so ashamed that they did this that they don't want to talk about it anymore...(a very common japanese thing to do...sweep it under the rug and feel shame inside while not exposing it to everyone, thereby saving face.) The problem with this is that foreign nations feel that japan does not resent any of its actions when in fact the truth is that rather then resenting openly, Japan just feels so ashamed that it doesn't want to talk about it. Another very SERIOUS problem with this mentality is the fact that younger japanese aren't even aware of the actions that took place and thus don't bear the shame of the generation before. Whether or not they should is another debate, but for sure they should know what did take place and what their ancestors DID do to foreign asian countries, resulting in ignorant youths unaware of the injustices done against countries conquered pre wwII. This isn't good for asia as a whole since Japan is naturally and rightfully still hated by countries such as korea and china, but no movements to fix this have taken much place. Japan has apologized on several occassions with compensation, but how can any apology or compensation accomodate the error done against these people? Even the germans in europe to this date are hated by russians and many europeans alike for the war crimes committed against their own nations.

Its sad and hard to forgive...but for the world to move on we must forgive but not forget so that such an erroneous action will not be taken by any nation ever again.
Thats my opinion.

-M.T.O

 

[Rhosin]

nice post buddhist.

 

[Passions]

Ummm...I do not think the Korean pronounciation has anything to do with Japanese colonization. But, rather Japan stole everything from Koreans. It is a widely believed theory that the migration and culture flow went in this order.

China -> Korea -> Japan.

Therefore, Japanese langugage derives from Koreans, and not the other way around. Japanese came from Koreans, if you look at their dna it resembles Korean blood. How the hell are u supposed to get on that island anyway, must have been brave Korean sailors. There are also accounts that I-ching and Confucius was actually of Korean decencent, but I won't get into that. But, Chinese and Koreans don't really resemble each other. It is another theory that Chinese and Koreans are two different branches of asians, almost unrelated to each other. A good amount of aryan blood is found in Korean dna. Possibly from finnish/scandinavian origins. Some of their languague can be traced with similaries with Korean. If you notice, some Korean and Chinese words are the same, as well as Japanese. This is due to asian nations worshipping China, since it was considered at the time- the center of the world. Tributes and homage was paid to the Chinese Emperor and therefore culture was also honored. However, during sometime in history, Koreans took a resentment towards Chinese and now mock them. This can be seen in Korea even today, where Chinese, no matter how smart u are, cannot get a job past jja jang myun cook.

 

[Buddhist]

"china --> korea --> Japan"

All monguls.
hehe j/k. (Kind of like that old russian saying..."Scratch a russia..."

anyhow, i agree. However, there was and still to this day is significant reverse cultural influences on these places. Just look for example at taiwan and how much japanese pop culture influences there...as well as korea etc.

Its all mutual when it comes down to it.

-M.T.O

 

[CuriousAndy]

Very interesting.. Is there any official studying about this? The origin of language similiarities between Kor, Japs, and Chinks

 

[Buddhist]

"The origin of language similiarities between Kor, Japs, and Chinks "

LOL

You mean monguls right?
hehe

-M.T.O