Top nuclear scientists praise Iran deal

[ivwshane]

I didn't say you called me an asshole did I? How many times are you going to put words in my mouth today? You just did so in another thread, the one about the emt and fast food workers and $15 minimum wage. Maybe that's your problem.

Oh, so you just thought I thought you were being an asshole? Well that totally changes everything, except it doesn't.

 

[davmat787]

Sorry, but you're impugning the character of honest & highly knowledgeable men to suit a political agenda of fear & hatred.

Obviously, they didn't simulate that or anything else to reach their conclusions.

I took his comment to mean while the nuclear scientists expertise regarding nuclear technology itself should be respected the greater political situation surrounding the nuclear specifics is a separate issue outside their area of expertise.

If that's what he meant I don't see the problem with it. I haven't read everything yet however and could be wrong anyway.

 

[davmat787]

Oh, so you just thought I thought you were being an asshole? Well that totally changes everything, except it doesn't.

No, wrong again. You're impossible. I said " if I'm being an asshole..." which doesn't imply or claim anything on your part and instead shows that I admit I could be guilty of being an asshole.

 

[Moonbeam]

Probably the most dangerous thing that can happen to a society is to allow conservative brain defectives control of arms negotiations. You get nowhere but war as the answer because their brains are always on maximum threat alert. It matters not what tragedy occurs in the world, how many soldiers and civilians die, so long as the General tucks them in at night and tells them they are safe. How can brains controlled by fear ever feel safe. The terrified are justly terrifying to others. Don't give the psychopath the wheel.

 

[Moonbeam]

No, wrong again. You're impossible. I said " if I'm being an asshole..." which doesn't imply or claim anything on your part and instead shows that I admit I could be guilty of being an asshole.

You can't be an asshole because you can't be other than you are. You are defined by what you believe, the unconscious assumptions you make. You can't know what you are unconscious of until you bring it to the surface.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Probably the most dangerous thing that can happen to a society is to allow conservative brain defectives control of arms negotiations. You get nowhere but war as the answer because their brains are always on maximum threat alert. It matters not what tragedy occurs in the world, how many soldiers and civilians die, so long as the General tucks them in at night and tells them they are safe. How can brains controlled by fear ever feel safe. The terrified are justly terrifying to others. Don't give the psychopath the wheel.

Same ol song and dance as 10 years ago
Except your song rings true

 

[davmat787]

Probably the most dangerous thing that can happen to a society is to allow conservative brain defectives control of arms negotiations. You get nowhere but war as the answer because their brains are always on maximum threat alert. It matters not what tragedy occurs in the world, how many soldiers and civilians die, so long as the General tucks them in at night and tells them they are safe. How can brains controlled by fear ever feel safe. The terrified are justly terrifying to others. Don't give the psychopath the wheel.

Reagan had success in nuclear treaty talks with the USSR right? Unprecedented success really, and during the cold war no less.

I assume you have diagnosed Reagan as having CBD of course.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

A 2 month vs. a 12 month breakout period and ballistic missiles in 8 years...awesome deal! History will not be kind to this president imo.

 

[smackababy]

Isn't it true that with the new nuclear reactors, weaponizing the waste is so incredibly expensive it isn't worth it? Not to mention the benefits of having nuclear energy.

We are so afraid Iran will "get nukes". Couldn't the just buy some material just as easily from former Soviet Union countries?

 

[davmat787]

You can't be an asshole because you can't be other than you are. You are defined by what you believe, the unconscious assumptions you make. You can't know what you are unconscious of until you bring it to the surface.

Try telling that to all my girlfriends. Just yesterday I double booked two of them, so they both showed up at the same time and had the gall to call me an asshole and worse!!

Fortunately I was able to reschedule little miss Sunday and met up with her after that fiasco. It's hard remembering which girlfriend is for which day of the week, sucks bad man.

 

[ivwshane]

No, wrong again. You're impossible. I said " if I'm being an asshole..." which doesn't imply or claim anything on your part and instead shows that I admit I could be guilty of being an asshole.

It's all good because now you are being an ass

 

[davmat787]

It's all good because now you are being an ass

Whatever you need to tell yourself princess.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

First, I don't believe in historical analogs, like the old Neville Chamberlain story. There are no perfect parallels. The lunatics running DPRK are far more dangerous in Asia than the regime in Iran.

Second, it may even be a dead horse, but there are still folks unaware of it -- as follows. Americans immediately assumed that the hostage crisis that sealed the fate of the Carter administration was exclusively the result of America's alliance with Israel and the Shiite take on the Palestinian problem. That may be a factor, but not even I -- in 1979 -- was aware of the old '50s history, whereby CIA overthrew the duly elected Iranian President Mossadegh and installed the Shah -- who in turn created SAVAK, a brutal secret police. Every Iranian smarts at that old history, so it brands America as an old hand at superpower meddling in the affairs of other countries. And why is their meddling? The oil market, complicated by Cold War machinations.

We've been cleaning up the detritus of the Cold War since it "ended."

Third, there's the hypocrisy that Israel doesn't acknowledge -- nor does either the US or other powers make an issue of it -- that they have a small nuclear arsenal. They either "do" or they "don't," but it's never been denied. Certainly, Iran is aware of this.

As the consumer over time of something like 25% of the world's fossil-fuel production, we made Iran rich by initially developing its oil extraction.

Fourth, just about every initiative the President has put forth to congress has been obstructed. He's under attack for "signing executive orders." It is a consistent pattern that either posits a foolhardy stance that "we're right about everything and you're wrong," or a card that most won't mention or play openly.

And now it comes down to this. Time after time after time, while assaulting the White House over one issue after another, the Republicans have made the President look weak, then leveling the charge that he "is" weak in the eyes of the world -- without acknowledging their own shenanigans to make it true. We now have this pending agreement with several major powers and allies on the Iran agreement with scientists and arms-control experts on board.

So just how weak will we be -- as opposed to appearances -- if they torpedo the initiative? And with a GOP president in the White House in 2016, what are the odds that we'll be at war again by 2017?

Back in 2000, summer, I actually predicted just about every event through the end of Bush's term: a terrorist attack similar to 911; the real-estate bubble; a war to finish what Poppy didn't. I can only explain my predictions arising from a lot of reading and research I'd done about the Cold War and the industrial forces that influence public policy.

Now, I'm not sure what to predict.

But the biggest problem we have is a shift in the public's view of risk (in this case -- to National Security)O now as opposed to many years ago. We can go on to discuss and debate this perception of risk, but I'll stop there for now.

 

[Moonbeam]

Reagan had success in nuclear treaty talks with the USSR right? Unprecedented success really, and during the cold war no less.

I assume you have diagnosed Reagan as having CBD of course.

You are kidding, right. Reagan would be booed out of today's Republican Party.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You are kidding, right. Reagan would be booed out of today's Republican Party.

And Kennedy would be booed out of today's Democratic Party.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Almost every reply to me, no matter what the topic, has been you telling me seething to the effect that everyone does it or everyone is the same. I'm not buying it.

Yes, of course, your precious libs are the sum of all virtues. You're an idiot, plain and simple. And would you tell your wife/gf/whatever to start using a little lube with their strap-on? Your arse is constantly chaffed these days.

 

[davmat787]

You are kidding, right. Reagan would be booed out of today's Republican Party.

Sure but I would think he was still conservative enough that you would say he had the CBD thing you talk about.

Your post mentioned a propensity for war as a symptom and given Reagan's military buildup, calling the USSR evil, Iran contra, and other hawkish behavior it would seem he qualifies for your CBD thingy using your parameters regardless of how he compares to today's Republicans.

He died from a brain defect after all right? Ok that was low.

 

[PokerGuy]

What a pathetic attempt at propaganda to push the deal as if flails in public polling. What some group of scientists think about this matter is completely irrelevant. This isn't a scientific matter, it's a geopolitical one.

This is the kind of stupidity that happens when you start mixing science with politics. Scientists should keep to science. Leave the politics to the idiots...errr... politicians.

 

[Genx87]

Reading the agreement it appears to be pretty solid. Iran gave up quite a bit to get this done. The issue going forward of course is how to enforce the agreement. I just hope we dont end up in a cat and mouse game for a decade that ends with them having the capability to build a bomb ala NK. The thing about NK is their economy is horrible compared to Irans. Iran will have more resources to throw at building weapons or hiding them from inspectors.

 

[michal1980]

Sure but I would think he was still conservative enough that you would say he had the CBD thing you talk about.

Your post mentioned a propensity for war as a symptom and given Reagan's military buildup, calling the USSR evil, Iran contra, and other hawkish behavior it would seem he qualifies for your CBD thingy using your parameters regardless of how he compares to today's Republicans.

He died from a brain defect after all right? Ok that was low.

according to the left here, anyone that thinks differently then they do has a brain defect.

Its part of their attempts to marginalize everyone that disagrees with them.

 

[thraashman]

Unfortunately no matter how knowledgeable and intelligent these scientists are; no matter how perfect they are to be the experts to talk to; the people who need to listen are the ones who either refuse to listen to science in every other subject so what's one more, or are the people who 100% support Israel no matter how many hundreds of innocent civilians they brutally murder.

 

[fskimospy]

What a pathetic attempt at propaganda to push the deal as if flails in public polling. What some group of scientists think about this matter is completely irrelevant. This isn't a scientific matter, it's a geopolitical one.

This is the kind of stupidity that happens when you start mixing science with politics. Scientists should keep to science. Leave the politics to the idiots...errr... politicians.

Yeah, what would people with tons of experience making nuclear weapons know about how effective the deal's conditions would be at detecting/preventing Iran's ability to make nuclear weapons.

What would former assistant directors of national security in the office of science and technology policy know about how this science might affect national security.

Wut.

 

[fskimospy]

Unfortunately no matter how knowledgeable and intelligent these scientists are; no matter how perfect they are to be the experts to talk to; the people who need to listen are the ones who either refuse to listen to science in every other subject so what's one more, or are the people who 100% support Israel no matter how many hundreds of innocent civilians they brutally murder.

It doesn't matter. If a politician says it's a good deal they're just doing so for craven political reasons. If a scientist says it's a good deal they don't understand politics so it doesn't matter.

I for one would LOVE to have someone pointed out as a source that meets all their criteria for someone who is permitted to evaluate the deal.

 

[brycejones]

It doesn't matter. If a politician says it's a good deal they're just doing so for craven political reasons. If a scientist says it's a good deal they don't understand politics so it doesn't matter.

I for one would LOVE to have someone pointed out as a source that meets all their criteria for someone who is permitted to evaluate the deal.

Ted Cruz?

 

[CitizenKain]

Yes, of course, your precious libs are the sum of all virtues. You're an idiot, plain and simple. And would you tell your wife/gf/whatever to start using a little lube with their strap-on? Your arse is constantly chaffed these days.

I'm glad there is one thing you have any information on, its proper ass maintenance. When it comes to taking it up the ass, no one knows better then FerrelGeek.

Rightwingers have to be against the Iran deal, simply because Obama is for it. There is no other recourse for them. They don't need to understand it (most of them can't anyways), just they have to claim its bad. The less they understand it, the more they are against it.