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[realibrad]

Based on... because I still don't think you've backed up this assertion. Also, it's amorphous. Maybe give it some shape, sparkles.

I think you are starting to disengage. I feel I have been clear with my claims, explained my position, responded to every post, and backed up why and how I got to my beliefs. If you want to continue I am more than willing, but you seem to be losing steam.

I don't support Nazis.
I think there is enough to watch Liberals to make sure they do not give up their most useful tool, while accepting that it could all clear up and not be an issue long term.
Democrats are Liberals and not just Center Right.
I'm not a free speech absolutist.
College students can and have influenced society including voters.

 

[ElFenix]

ok, exactly which dumb idea did students come up with which was later adopted by adult policy makers?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

college students have dumb ideas, film at 11.


and if we're going to hold political parties responsible for the fringe views of some of their likely voters, oh hold on to your hats!

Tell that to the posters that constantly equate Republicans and conservatives to the KKK.

 

[Jhhnn]

Tell that to the posters that constantly equate Republicans and conservatives to the KKK.

We all have to own the company we keep. I mean, you're all standing there together under that phony "Free Speech" banner united in adulation of the Donald.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

We all have to own the company we keep. I mean, you're all standing there together under that phony "Free Speech" banner united in adulation of the Donald.

Yours are thugs, murderers, drug dealers and rapists.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yours are thugs, murderers, drug dealers and rapists.

I think I hit a nerve...

 

[ivwshane]

Yours are thugs, murderers, drug dealers and rapists.

You say this knowing that a pedophile who had been removed from his judgeship and who had the full backing of the Republican party. You say this knowing that the current president ran on a platform of race baiting and scapegoating. You say this as a racist sheriff is running as a Republican for the senate.

These people aren't kicked out of the Republican party or condemned by the Republican party and instead were welcomed.

You are a piece of shit traitor to this country.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Tell that to the posters that constantly equate Republicans and conservatives to the KKK.

You're the one dancing with the guys in sheets. You can't complain when people call you on who you're dating.

 

[Victorian Gray]

translation: Hail Trump!

Yours are thugs, murderers, drug dealers and rapists.

Vladi loves ya even more. What a good little fascista you are.

 

[soundforbjt]

Yours are thugs, murderers, drug dealers and rapists.

Quoting your god again I see.

 

[jackstar7]

Yours are thugs, murderers, drug dealers and rapists.

Says a proud supporter of Project Veritas.

 

[outriding]

Tell that to the posters that constantly equate Republicans and conservatives to the KKK.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ely-to-win-gop-congressional-primary.2536272/

Many KKK groups have formed strong alliances with other white supremacist groups, such as neo-Nazis. Some KKK groups have become increasingly "nazified",

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

 

[brandonbull]

I think I hit a nerve...

or "two can play that game.".

 

[realibrad]

ok, exactly which dumb idea did students come up with which was later adopted by adult policy makers?

First, its not that the students came up with the ideas. They could, but the issue is that students are fostering the ideas and pushing for them.

One example is affirmative consent that was passed in CA. Very dumb law.

 

[ivwshane]

First, its not that the students came up with the ideas. They could, but the issue is that students are fostering the ideas and pushing for them.

One example is affirmative consent that was passed in CA. Very dumb law.

So the students came up with the idea or not? And what about this law is dumb?

 

[realibrad]

So the students came up with the idea or not? And what about this law is dumb?

When was the issue only about students coming up with bad ideas? Students can popularize and promote issues that society then picks up.

What is dumb about the law is that it makes any sexual encounter where either side does not explicitly say yes. That would mean when my GF gets out of the shower and sits on my face to go down on her without saying a word, she would be raping me. Saying anything in rape if not explicitly giving consent is dumb. That is not how people work, and its an attempt to change how people engage in sexual relations beyond preventing rape.

But, I see a shift trying to happen here. At first it was that students do not influence politics at large, but now its that they just don't influence passing bad laws.

 

[ivwshane]

When was the issue only about students coming up with bad ideas? Students can popularize and promote issues that society then picks up.

What is dumb about the law is that it makes any sexual encounter where either side does not explicitly say yes. That would mean when my GF gets out of the shower and sits on my face to go down on her without saying a word, she would be raping me. Saying anything in rape if not explicitly giving consent is dumb. That is not how people work, and its an attempt to change how people engage in sexual relations beyond preventing rape.

But, I see a shift trying to happen here. At first it was that students do not influence politics at large, but now its that they just don't influence passing bad laws.

So, again, the students promoted and popularized this idea? Do you have a reference for this claim?

Can you show me the text of law you are referring to that supports your claim?

 

[realibrad]

So, again, the students promoted and popularized this idea? Do you have a reference for this claim?

Would college rallies qualify?
http://www.creightonian.com/news/article_e5b11510-f9f7-11e6-95cf-8399d9b09c13.html

https://themonumentquilt.org/consentrally/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ents-i-meet-love-them/?utm_term=.e5414e89c195

That last link is an article about how adults view consent very differently than college students.

Can you show me the text of law you are referring to that supports your claim?

Are you asking about proof that affirmative consent? If so here is the bill.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140SB967

An affirmative consent standard in the determination of whether consent was given by both parties to sexual activity. “Affirmative consent” means affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement to engage in sexual activity. It is the responsibility of each person involved in the sexual activity to ensure that he or she has the affirmative consent of the other or others to engage in the sexual activity. Lack of protest or resistance does not mean consent, nor does silence mean consent. Affirmative consent must be ongoing throughout a sexual activity and can be revoked at any time. The existence of a dating relationship between the persons involved, or the fact of past sexual relations between them, should never by itself be assumed to be an indicator of consent.

That means there needs to be something explicitly done to give consent. So my GF not asking me, and me not saying now does not give her consent. It would qualify as rape under that definition.

 

[ivwshane]

Would college rallies qualify?
http://www.creightonian.com/news/article_e5b11510-f9f7-11e6-95cf-8399d9b09c13.html

https://themonumentquilt.org/consentrally/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ents-i-meet-love-them/?utm_term=.e5414e89c195

That last link is an article about how adults view consent very differently than college students.



Are you asking about proof that affirmative consent? If so here is the bill.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140SB967



That means there needs to be something explicitly done to give consent. So my GF not asking me, and me not saying now does not give her consent. It would qualify as rape under that definition.

I like how you posted links to affirmative consent rallies that happened after the affirmative consent bill was passed as proof college kids influence policy.

I especially like how the text of the law doesn't support what you claimed at all.

What the law does is setup a standard definition and education of that standard so that students can better understand and have a clearer idea of what actual consent means.

I don't think you could of failed harder if you tried. Ironically, that's what your girlfriend said when she sat on your face😉

 

[fskimospy]

This is a silly argument. College students do not have a significant impact on Democratic Party policy. The more toxic elements of the Republican Party have a large impact on policy. Equating the two is dumb.

You might argue that college students are less supportive of free speech and wring your hands about the future, but polls show millennials as a whole are no more anti-free speech than any generation.

This is transparent concern trolling.

 

[realibrad]

I like how you posted links to affirmative consent rallies that happened after the affirmative consent bill was passed as proof college kids influence policy.

I did it because they were more recent, but here is one before if that somehow matters.

https://www.chicagomaroon.com/artic...y-to-take-back-the-night-from-sexual-assault/

I especially like how the text of the law doesn't support what you claimed at all.

What the law does is setup a standard definition and education of that standard so that students can better understand and have a clearer idea of what actual consent means.

A standard definition that literally says that "“Affirmative consent” means affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement to engage in sexual activity. It is the responsibility of each person involved in the sexual activity to ensure that he or she has the affirmative consent of the other or others to engage in the sexual activity." What do you think that means?

http://sgvnowproject.weebly.com/the...standard--rape--sexual-assault-education.html

The Affirmative Consent Standard states that the person who initiates sexual contact must receive a VERBAL YES (affirmative consent) from the other person before engaging in any sexual activity -- and that consent must be ongoing throughout the sexual encounter.

http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/students/groups/osjcl/files/2016/07/Affirmative-Consent-Tuerkheimer.pdf

The newly ascendant yes means yes movement has already accomplished a significant feat. An estimated 1,400 institutions of higher education have adopted disciplinary standards that codify an affirmative definition of sexual consent.1 For those universities that have not yet amended their disciplinary codes to include this definition, the impetus to do so is powerful. Well-organized student activists are vocal about the importance of affirmative consent.2 The Obama Administration, which can withhold federal funds from Title IX non-compliant institutions, construes consent as affirmative.3 Congress also continues to push to require colleges to clarify their disciplinary standards regarding sexual assault.4

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For instance, in California, consent is defined as positive cooperation in act or attitude pursuant to an exercise of free will which would seem to qualify the definition as affirmative.

At no point in my hypothetical did I give consent.

I don't think you could of failed harder if you tried. Ironically, that's what your girlfriend said when she sat on your face😉

Weak, but not unexpected. When facts and legal opinion don't agree with you, make a sexual insult joke.

 

[realibrad]

This is a silly argument. College students do not have a significant impact on Democratic Party policy. The more toxic elements of the Republican Party have a large impact on policy. Equating the two is dumb.

You might argue that college students are less supportive of free speech and wring your hands about the future, but polls show millennials as a whole are no more anti-free speech than any generation.

This is transparent concern trolling.

Who is making the argument that the Left and Right are equal in this? I know I have explicitly said that the Right suffers from bad ideas getting into their platform, but I did not see anyone else saying they were equal either.

As for millennials not being less supportive, this seems to disagree with you.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/

We asked whether people believe that citizens should be able to make public statements that are offensive to minority groups, or whether the government should be able to prevent people from saying these things. Four-in-ten Millennials say the government should be able to prevent people publicly making statements that are offensive to minority groups, while 58% said such speech is OK.

 

[ivwshane]

I did it because they were more recent, but here is one before if that somehow matters.

https://www.chicagomaroon.com/artic...y-to-take-back-the-night-from-sexual-assault/



A standard definition that literally says that "“Affirmative consent” means affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement to engage in sexual activity. It is the responsibility of each person involved in the sexual activity to ensure that he or she has the affirmative consent of the other or others to engage in the sexual activity." What do you think that means?

http://sgvnowproject.weebly.com/the...standard--rape--sexual-assault-education.html



http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/students/groups/osjcl/files/2016/07/Affirmative-Consent-Tuerkheimer.pdf



At no point in my hypothetical did I give consent.




Weak, but not unexpected. When facts and legal opinion don't agree with you, make a sexual insult joke.

So now a movement in Chicago affected legislation in California and other states except in the state where the movement happened? You are a lot dumber than I thought.


Also linking to an opinion paper doesn't dispute what I said. Did you bother reading the law yourself? Because if you did you would have seen that the law essentially setups up a class on sexual harassment and as I stated it sets up a baseline definition. Now sure the school could discipline you for violating their code of ethics but the rule of law and the burden of proof in a court of law would essentially be the same as it has always been.

 

[fskimospy]

Who is making the argument that the Left and Right are equal in this? I know I have explicitly said that the Right suffers from bad ideas getting into their platform, but I did not see anyone else saying they were equal either.

As for millennials not being less supportive, this seems to disagree with you.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/

Like I said, college students don’t drive the platform so it’s meaningless to worry about from that perspective. Both sides nonsense.

Yes, I already referenced that poll in this thread and it definitely doesn’t disagree with me.

https://www.thecut.com/2015/11/false-alarm-on-millennials-and-free-speech.html

This is basically a case that’s the same as always. People are fine with restricting speech that they disagree with and this cuts across generations. Pew asked about a topic millennials disagree with particularly strongly and so you get this totally expected result. If you asked about other topics or free speech generally you would likely see no difference.

 

[realibrad]

So now a movement in Chicago affected legislation in California and other states except in the state where the movement happened? You are a lot dumber than I thought.

No, its national, but I gave an example of something before the bill passed. Just look up yes means yes rallies and you will find its all over the country. Not sure where you are going with this.

Also linking to an opinion paper doesn't dispute what I said. Did you bother reading the law yourself? Because if you did you would have seen that the law essentially setups up a class on sexual harassment and as I stated it sets up a baseline definition. Now sure the school could discipline you for violating their code of ethics but the rule of law and the burden of proof in a court of law would essentially be the same as it has always been.

Did I bother reading the law? Dude, I literally linked the bill and quoted the law. Yes I read it, and how would that not be clear? You think I linked the bill, linked the relevant part, and somehow did not read it?

It does not just set up a class. It defines what they consider rape and then tells schools that if they do not adhere to the definition and other requirements based on this that they will not receive funding from the state.