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Doc Savage Fan said:
Most likely because Putin hated Clinton for publicly questioning the legitimacy of the 2011 Russian elections. What do you think?

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/...clash-that-fueled-putins-ire-against-clinton/
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Nice dodge. While having a strong critic of his corrupt regime in the White House doesn't serve Putin's interests having Trump definitely does.

He did it for the MAGA as far as Trump fans are concerned. Just trying to help us out, really. Thanks, Vlad, for helping make our dreams into reality!
 
Jhhnn said:
Nice dodge. While having a strong critic of his corrupt regime in the White House doesn't serve Putin's interests having Trump definitely does.

He did it for the MAGA as far as Trump fans are concerned. Just trying to help us out, really. Thanks, Vlad, for helping make our dreams into reality!
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Dodge? I'm afraid you're losing your grip on reality.
 
soundforbjt said:
Yep, Reagan couldn’t win the nomination in the current Republican Party, he would be labeled a RINO.
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Trump won and he is far less conservative than any Republican prez well up to Reagan. I think that says more about the voters than it does for the party position.
 
jackstar7 said:
Without hesitation, yes. They still frequently work to corporate ends and at the behest of their donors. They are barely pro-Union these days.
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That has always been the case. That is more about influence and corruption, and not about right vs left. Its true that they are less pro union, but at the same time the "Left" has been trying to push for things like universal healthcare. Hell, even Trump had that in his campaign.
 
realibrad said:
Trump won and he is far less conservative than any Republican prez well up to Reagan. I think that says more about the voters than it does for the party position.
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Name a few of Trump’s less conservative views that he has expressed and acted upon since elected.
 
realibrad said:
Trump won and he is far less conservative than any Republican prez well up to Reagan. I think that says more about the voters than it does for the party position.
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Trump isn't anything. He is everything. He is whatever Trump wants to be when whatever that is what makes Trump less bored in that moment. He's a petty child. He has no political ideology.
 
realibrad said:
That has always been the case. That is more about influence and corruption, and not about right vs left. Its true that they are less pro union, but at the same time the "Left" has been trying to push for things like universal healthcare. Hell, even Trump had that in his campaign.
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You haven't made a point then.

Care to take another swing here?
 
soundforbjt said:
Name a few of Trump’s less conservative views that he has expressed since elected.
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That is not really relevant though. How he got elected was by picking things from both sides. Its something that is fairly new. The Left vs Right has been weird because its not that they are moving to more extremes of their positions, but just extremes that do not follow Left or Right.

Post election its been not so much conservative but just how he feels. The travel ban is conservative, but infrastructure and the tax on imports is more Left. But the point was about how he got elected.
 
jackstar7 said:
You haven't made a point then.

Care to take another swing here?
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Yes I did. While you can point out individual things the Left has abandoned, you can see many more that they have gained or become stronger in. Did you not understand that or do you disagree with that being a point?
 
realibrad said:
Yes I did. While you can point out individual things the Left has abandoned, you can see many more that they have gained or become stronger in. Did you not understand that or do you disagree with that being a point?
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Please explain the "many more" if you will.
 
realibrad said:
That is not really relevant though. How he got elected was by picking things from both sides. Its something that is fairly new. The Left vs Right has been weird because its not that they are moving to more extremes of their positions, but just extremes that do not follow Left or Right.

Post election its been not so much conservative but just how he feels. The travel ban is conservative, but infrastructure and the tax on imports is more Left. But the point was about how he got elected.
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The infrastructure we have zero info on, his appointments on the other hand have shown he’s in no way not conservative.
 
jackstar7 said:
Please explain the "many more" if you will.
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Again, Universal healthcare. That is pretty big. They could not get it, and settled for Obama care, but its still a position of the Left. I would also say marriage equality has been *vastly more of a win for the Left than the right. That for sure is more of a recent development for the Left but not the Right. Education has also been a growing thing. Sanders made a big push, but you have to give credit more to warren about starting that spark.

So did I make a point in the previous post or not?
 
soundforbjt said:
The infrastructure we have zero info on, his appointments on the other hand have shown he’s in no way not conservative.
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As Zin said, he is all over the place. If you want to say he has been more conservative then sure. But, spending 1.5 trillion on infrastructure in his plan is not conservative. Saying he wanted universal healthcare is super not conservative. Being buddy buddy with a hostile foreign nation is mega not conservative. He is also not very religious when compared to even most Dems.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Dodge? I'm afraid you're losing your grip on reality.
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You've acknowledged that Trump as President serves Putin's purposes better than Hillary- otherwise he woudn't have supported Trump with a plethora of truly underhanded measures.

The implications of that run a lot deeper than any Trumpster is capable of acknowledging.
 
realibrad said:
Again, Universal healthcare. That is pretty big. They could not get it, and settled for Obama care, but its still a position of the Left. I would also say marriage equality has been *vastly more of a win for the Left than the right. That for sure is more of a recent development for the Left but not the Right. Education has also been a growing thing. Sanders made a big push, but you have to give credit more to warren about starting that spark.

So did I make a point in the previous post or not?
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Marriage equality? You mean a basic human right?
Education? You mean student loans? Yeah, good luck waiting for that unicorn.
Universal healthcare: where is that? Oh, Insurance companies still exist? Guess that's a long way off. They settled for a Right-wing plan for healthcare. How is that left?

I don't give much credit to anyone because most of this is not "Left" so much as left-leaning and even then, mostly rhetoric and rarely action.

Asking me to accept Dems as actually Liberal is a waste of our collective time. I've no interest and you have nothing compelling with which to persuade me.
 
realibrad said:
As Zin said, he is all over the place. If you want to say he has been more conservative then sure. But, spending 1.5 trillion on infrastructure in his plan is not conservative. Saying he wanted universal healthcare is super not conservative. Being buddy buddy with a hostile foreign nation is mega not conservative. He is also not very religious when compared to even most Dems.
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Holy understatement, Batman!
 
jackstar7 said:
Marriage equality? You mean a basic human right?
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Well, considering the major opposition has been the religious Right, I would say yes, its a win for the Left. I won on the progressive ideals.

jackstar7 said:
Education? You mean student loans? Yeah, good luck waiting for that unicorn.
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No, I did not mean student loans, although, that is growing for the left too. Sanders had a pretty popular push with free community college and free university college for 80% of the population. That feeling is not shrinking and will be a growing issue for the Left I believe.

jackstar7 said:
Universal healthcare: where is that? Oh, Insurance companies still exist? Guess that's a long way off. They settled for a Right-wing plan for healthcare. How is that left?
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As I said, we went far to the Left with Obama care from our original position. Hell, its foundation became so popular that the Republicans had to scramble to figure out a way to keep parts of it.

jackstar7 said:
I don't give much credit to anyone because most of this is not "Left" so much as left-leaning and even then, mostly rhetoric and rarely action.

Asking me to accept Dems as actually Liberal is a waste of our collective time.
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The Dems inability to get anything done does not make them not Liberal. People vote for them because they are the Liberal party, and they do push for Liberal things, they just suck at getting it done.

jackstar7 said:
I've no interest and you have nothing compelling with which to persuade me.
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I mean, okay I guess. Do as you will.
 
realibrad said:
That has always been the case. That is more about influence and corruption, and not about right vs left. Its true that they are less pro union, but at the same time the "Left" has been trying to push for things like universal healthcare. Hell, even Trump had that in his campaign.
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So, they're just as bad? Hardly. Dems sure as Hell wouldn't have sponsored tax cuts for the wealthy, the dissolution of the ACA, gutting the EPA or Neutering the DoJ, either.

But you're welcome to keep pretending.
 
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