Top al-Qaida-linked militant killed

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By JIM GOMEZ, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 20 minutes ago

MANILA, Philippines - A top al-Qaida-linked militant accused of masterminding the kidnapping of three Americans who was long wanted by U.S. and Philippine authorities has been killed, the military said Wednesday.

Jainal Antel Sali Jr., popularly known as Abu Sulaiman ? a top leader of the Abu Sayyaf rebel group ? was fatally shot in a fierce gunbattle Tuesday in a clash with army special forces, military chief Gen. Hermogenes Esperon said.

Sulaiman is the highest-ranking Abu Sayyaf commander killed by U.S.-backed troops. Washington had offered up to $5 million for his capture.

"We have resolved that this group and their major commanders must be finished off, that this notorious group should see its end," Esperon told a news conference.

Sulaiman allegedly helped plot a February 2004 bombing that triggered a ferry fire, killing 116 people in Southeast Asia's second-worst terror attack.

He also was accused of masterminding the kidnapping of three Americans and Filipino tourists from the southeastern island of Palawan in 2001.

One of the Americans, Guillermo Sobero, was beheaded. American missionary Gracia Burnham was wounded and rescued by army commandos after a year in jungle captivity, but her husband, Martin, was killed during the operation.

The kidnappings prompted Philippine authorities to allow the deployment of U.S. troops in the southern Mindanao region to train and arm Filipino soldiers working to wipe out the resilient Abu Sayyaf.

On Tuesday, army forces raided Sulaiman's camp, sparking a three-hour gunbattle through dense forests, said regional army spokesman Maj. Eugene Batara. Other insurgents escaped but troops are chasing them, Batara said.

Villagers on the mountainous southern island of Jolo, a rebel informant and one of the wives of the slain rebel identified his body after the clash between the army's 8th Special Forces Company and about 60 Abu Sayyaf gunmen, about 590 miles south of Manila, Esperon said.

Esperon displayed a picture of the slain militant, then stood up to scribble an `x' mark across Sulaiman's face in a U.S. poster of most-wanted terror suspects.

Esperon said that Sulaiman's death could set off retaliatory attacks, but that the military was ready to thwart any such assaults.

"I believe the activities of the Abu Sayyaf will go down considerably," Esperon said.

Sulaiman, a 41-year-old civil engineer, began his activism by joining the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, a Muslim separatist group that signed a peace accord with the government in 1996.

He broke off from the MNLF due to the accord's signing and decided to work in Saudi Arabia for a few years building highways and buildings, according to police intelligence reports. In the late 1990s, he returned home and joined the Abu Sayyaf.

Having once been a builder, Sulaiman was asked by The Associated Press last year in a telephone interview why he would want to destroy.

He said their attacks were retribution for the many atrocities committed against Muslims worldwide. "I know that being once a builder of things would make me more efficient in destroying them," he said.
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Associated Press Writer Oliver Teves contributed to this report.
 

cwjerome

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Originally posted by: daveshel
That is about as useful as knocking out a shark's tooth.

How do you propose the Philippines deal with the radical extremists living in the jungle villages?
 

palehorse

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for those who cannot recognize it, this is actually good news.

one more down... a few thousand more to go.
 

Kadarin

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IIRC, Abu-Sayyaf were the ones who were hacking the heads off tourists with machetes. IMO, killing these guys is a good thing.
 

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Originally posted by: daveshel
That is about as useful as knocking out a shark's tooth.

/whine
Ah. You are a fatalistic, defeatist... something. Please don't comment when someone imposes their will upon you. Just whimper, ok? You'll lose credibility if you resist.
 

Lemon law

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The real question is if abu-sayyaf is all that Al-Quida linked---or just a group of criminals with a limited grievance against the Philopeno Government out to make some quick bucks for themselves---and in that area of many islands and little governmental control, to what extent was it any different from the freemen movement in Idaho.

Where does this knee jerk notion come from that all modern terrorism comes from Al-Quida.---when terrorism as a tactic is over 6000 years old and is used by all religions.
 

Pens1566

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Marked as the first occurence of "top al qaeda in phillipines killed". Eagerly awaiting announcement of occurence 2, 3, 4, and 5.
 

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Originally posted by: daveshel
That is about as useful as knocking out a shark's tooth.

If you keep knocking enough sharks teeth out for long enough, eventually over a long enough time, the shark will evolve and adapt into a different animal. One without teeth most likely.
 

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Originally posted by: Pens1566
Marked as the first occurence of "top al qaeda in phillipines killed". Eagerly awaiting announcement of occurence 2, 3, 4, and 5.

6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16. . .1000000000000
 

Pens1566

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How many times have we killed the #2 or #3 al-qaeda guy in Iraq now? Last count was at least 4 for each.
 

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So another one, out of thousands......yawn.
Problem is they will just keep spawning more.
 

Lemon law

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Well we got the #1 Al-Quida guy inside Iraq not all that long ago---dropped a house on him as I recall---and he got replaced by someone even more vicious.
And the sectarian violence is even worse now.

As any fan of cheepie Japanese movies knows---it one thing to kill Godzilla---there are all them sequal films about the son of Godzilla--the daughter of, the wife of--yet to be made
in which an even more menacing monster await.

Yet no one seems to get the idea the cause of the monster needs addressed.
 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well we got the #1 Al-Quida guy inside Iraq not all that long ago---dropped a house on him as I recall---and he got replaced by someone even more vicious.
And the sectarian violence is even worse now.

As any fan of cheepie Japanese movies knows---it one thing to kill Godzilla---there are all them sequal films about the son of Godzilla--the daughter of, the wife of--yet to be made
in which an even more menacing monster await.

Yet no one seems to get the idea the cause of the monster needs addressed.

I agree with you, especially on the bolded part.
 

Scarpozzi

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Originally posted by: Pens1566
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well we got the #1 Al-Quida guy inside Iraq not all that long ago---dropped a house on him as I recall---and he got replaced by someone even more vicious.
And the sectarian violence is even worse now.

As any fan of cheepie Japanese movies knows---it one thing to kill Godzilla---there are all them sequal films about the son of Godzilla--the daughter of, the wife of--yet to be made
in which an even more menacing monster await.

Yet no one seems to get the idea the cause of the monster needs addressed.

I agree with you, especially on the bolded part.
But is Genocide really the answer?
 

Pens1566

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Who suggested genocide? If anything we're saying that playing "whack a mole" with whoever takes over isn't the answer.
 

Scarpozzi

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Originally posted by: Pens1566
Who suggested genocide? If anything we're saying that playing "whack a mole" with whoever takes over isn't the answer.
They said the monster needs to be addressed. I figured that meant we need to kill off all of those who oppose us. Did I misunderstand? :D
 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Originally posted by: Pens1566
Who suggested genocide? If anything we're saying that playing "whack a mole" with whoever takes over isn't the answer.
They said the monster needs to be addressed. I figured that meant we need to kill off all of those who oppose us. Did I misunderstand? :D

You misunderstood. The quote was "the cause of the monster needs to be addressed". Monster being terrorism, cause being the cause of it. No harm :)
 

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Originally posted by: Pens1566
Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Originally posted by: Pens1566
Who suggested genocide? If anything we're saying that playing "whack a mole" with whoever takes over isn't the answer.
They said the monster needs to be addressed. I figured that meant we need to kill off all of those who oppose us. Did I misunderstand? :D

You misunderstood. The quote was "the cause of the monster needs to be addressed". Monster being terrorism, cause being the cause of it. No harm :)

I realize you have dreamed up some noble, global scheme it that addresses the root causes of that type of terrorism over the next 20 years.

What do you do -today- with a group of primitive, vicious killers wreaking havoc in the Philippines?
 

Lemon law

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to cwjerome who asks---What do you do -today- with a group of primitive, vicious killers wreaking havoc in the Philippines?

Two things---reduce their appeal with the larger population---and second, keep chasing them---they need to be lucky all the time---the chasers just need to be lucky once.
And catch them with their pants down---end of story---and at least the latter thing happened.
 

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
for those who cannot recognize it, this is actually good news.

one more down... a few thousand more to go.

See, that's the problem. People think winning the war on terrorism is a matter of killing all the terrorists without any sort of overall strategy. If this war is won that way, it would be the first.
 

Lemon law

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I agree with that too Rainsford----if the terrorist idea has appeal--and the moderates are driven out of the debate---terrorism proliferates faster than terrorists can be killed.

But any of us can become so enraged with the status quo that we may be tempted to throw rocks at tanks---the smarter of the enraged look for the Achilles heel.---the seeds of terrorism
are in us all--do we work with the system--or seek to tear the existing power structure down so it can be rebuilt?

To pretend that this question is not a two way street is stupid---that temptation or probability to use terrorist tactics can be changed by both the power structure and individual choice.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: palehorse74
for those who cannot recognize it, this is actually good news.

one more down... a few thousand more to go.

See, that's the problem. People think winning the war on terrorism is a matter of killing all the terrorists without any sort of overall strategy. If this war is won that way, it would be the first.

wrong.. it is just the reality that -I- face every day.

That said, there are plenty of efforts being made to find and take out their Achilles heels. It will take a longggggg time to do it either way -- which is what everyone needs to start accepting.