Zenmervolt
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First of all, you can be stoned on heroin or any bloody drug, "stoned" is simply a colloquialism meaning "intoxicated". There are a myriad of substances on which one can become intoxicated. There's nothing that says that being "stoned" is limited to marijuana. Nice try though.Originally posted by: chrisms
If you knew what you were talking about, which you obviously do not, then you would be aware of the fact that it was heroin, not marijuana, that was the demise of Kurt Cobain.Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Who's pretending? Bunch of self-important tripe from a group of drug addicts who thought that being stoned into oblivion gave them some sort of special insight on life. News flash; the only thing being a stoner gets you is the desire to put a bullet through your brain.
At least when Skynyrd got drunk and stoned they didn't pretend that they were doing it for any reason other than to have fun.
ZV
Add in the fact that he had a messed up childhood, and was severely depressed because of it, and you realize why he sings about not having any feelings.
Regardless of the meanings of Nirvana's music, their talent was undeniable. Dave Grohl's aggressive drum beats (ex: In Bloom, Teen Spirit) , Krist's classic bass lines (ex: Come As You Are, Lithium) and of course Kurt's emotional voice and guitar talent (ex: All Apologies, You Know You're Right) made Nirvana the best rock band of the 90s. And Smells Like Teen Spirit has a badass guitar riff, your Nirvana hatred has made you biased.
Also, Kurt's demise was caused by a small metal projectile moving at just slightly over mach one.
Regardless, their music is so trite it's not even funny. I completely fail to see how anyone can call their lyrics even half-decent. It was just a completely un-polished garage band screaming into the microphone with a cacophany of instruments in the background. Nirvana simply did not come close to good guitar work such as that of Skynyrd, Hendrix, Clapton, or Boston.
ZV
As a former drug user myself, and a participant in the drug culture here in Washington for a number of years, I can tell you that I have never heard the word "stoned" be used to describe anything besides a marijuana high. Stoners aren't alcoholics or crackheads, they are marijuana users.
When I say Kurt's demise was caused by heroin, I'm sure you know what I mean, but of course you have to be correct on a moot point. Yes I know he shot himself in the face with a shotgun, but he did so after ingesting massive amounts of heroin and valium (enough to kill numerous people by some reports).
His parents divorced when he was young, he was moved from one relative to the next, and he even was homeless for a time as a teenager. In interviews he said that he never felt wanted because of those experiences. He was picked on in high school, and eventually he got into the drugs which led to his death. In many ways he relates to the youth of his era, and today. Knowing his background enables you to understand the lyrics more, because without that knowledge it is easy to look at him as a fake.
I do agree that some of the lyrics weren't very well written (by Kurt's own accounts he wrote them relatively quickly and did so after the guitar, bass, and drum parts were finished) but I do not understand how you could not recognize, at the very least, how Nirvana changed music. You listen to the new bands coming out today and you can hear the Nirvana influence.
I'm not one to say Cobain was any kind of poetic genius. I am one to say that as a band, Nirvana created the greatest music of my generation and is up there with the best of all time. And when you say that they don't come close to good guitar work such as Skynyrd, Hendrix, and Clapton, you are comparing apples to oranges. Cobain never tried to be a great guitarist like Page or Slash. Nirvana is more comparable to the Beatles and CCR, in that their music wasn't always the most technically skillful but it was incredibly enjoyable.
Smells Like Teen Spirit, whether you liked it or not, defined the rock music of the 90s more than any other song (if you disagree please name another). It was huge. And because the riff in the song is recognizable, and in my opinion fantastic, it deserves to be on that list.
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Originally posted by: chrisms
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Who's pretending? Bunch of self-important tripe from a group of drug addicts who thought that being stoned into oblivion gave them some sort of special insight on life. News flash; the only thing being a stoner gets you is the desire to put a bullet through your brain.
At least when Skynyrd got drunk and stoned they didn't pretend that they were doing it for any reason other than to have fun.
ZV
If you knew what you were talking about, which you obviously do not, then you would be aware of the fact that it was heroin, not marijuana, that was the demise of Kurt Cobain.
Add in the fact that he had a messed up childhood, and was severely depressed because of it, and you realize why he sings about not having any feelings.
Regardless of the meanings of Nirvana's music, their talent was undeniable. Dave Grohl's aggressive drum beats (ex: In Bloom, Teen Spirit) , Krist's classic bass lines (ex: Come As You Are, Lithium) and of course Kurt's emotional voice and guitar talent (ex: All Apologies, You Know You're Right) made Nirvana the best rock band of the 90s. And Smells Like Teen Spirit has a badass guitar riff, your Nirvana hatred has made you biased.
I just want to add that I'm reading "Love and Death: The Murder of Kurt Cobain" and am about 100 pages in. There was 1.52 milligrams per Litter of Heroin found in his blood. Thats a MF LOT!!
Of all the Led Zeppelin songs I would not have picked those two. The Ocean, Kashmir both have better riffs.
I agree with the Nirvana one though. To take 4 extremely simple chords and turn them into that unique sounding riff deserves some props and snaps.
I agree with the Nirvana one though. To take 4 extremely simple chords and turn them into that unique sounding riff deserves some props and snaps.
silverpig
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Nirvana catered to what depressed rebellious teens wanted. That's why they were popular, not because they were any good. Dave Grohl's aggressive drum beats? Any drummer who's played any loud type of music has aggressive drum beats. Bass lines? Lithium is good, but other than that they're pretty much just EGCA EGCA EGCA, etc etc. Smells Like Teen Spirit doesn't have a good riff at all. It's just 4 chords played over and over... and over. It's catchy, but not GOOD.
I used to love Nirvana back in the day, but I've found that there's really nothing to any of their music. A person who's never played anything on guitar before could learn any Nirvana song in 30 minutes. There's just nothing there.
I used to love Nirvana back in the day, but I've found that there's really nothing to any of their music. A person who's never played anything on guitar before could learn any Nirvana song in 30 minutes. There's just nothing there.
DT4K
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Music doesn't have to be technically difficult to be good, original, powerful, and influential.
It depends on how you define "top 20 riffs", but Nirvana definitely deserves to be on the list. They were quite simply the most influential band of the 90's. They defined an entire genre. How many bands have there been since then that have totally copied the Nirvana style? A billion?
this is exactly why dream theatre or yngwie malmsteen and the like arent on these lists and never will be.
just because something is easy, doesnt make it bad. wow. you can play every note on the fret board, fingers flyin and jerking off your guitar neck at the same time, thats great. good for you guys. but it doesnt automatically make the music better or worth listening to.
funny how there's no recent bands on the list. That says a lot about today's prefabbed formulated rock.
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