but starcraft takes them both out.
I have to say that GTA3 reinvented the sandbox world and we have to appreciate it for that.
lupi
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ugh what a shitty layout, can't they just list them all at some point.
First couple of thoughts, they've got the overrated starcraft where I'd be able to place any number of other games. Also lacking any wargames, a genre which could be said to have launched the PC gaming hobby and formed the basis for several of the early mainstream pc publishers.
First couple of thoughts, they've got the overrated starcraft where I'd be able to place any number of other games. Also lacking any wargames, a genre which could be said to have launched the PC gaming hobby and formed the basis for several of the early mainstream pc publishers.
shortylickens
No Lifer
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Thats the first time I've seen a list like that and actually agreed with it.
While I didnt love all those games and some of them I didnt even like, I have to acknowledge they all had a profound impact on PC gaming, and a strong impact on gaming in general.
While I didnt love all those games and some of them I didnt even like, I have to acknowledge they all had a profound impact on PC gaming, and a strong impact on gaming in general.
Fanatical Meat
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Please tell me more about C&C Uprising? I am fine with the current old school remake of C&C 3. Also why can nobody make a decent version of X-Com with destructable envoirments?
I completely agree, Stracraft 2(if it comes out this year), COH, etc are great games but I mean in the way of innovation and new ideas.
I've unfortunately lost faith in the C&C series. My first RTS was Red Alert. I remember having so much fun with that game, but the way the franchise has gone... Red Alert 3 was a major disappointment for me and C&C3 did nothing another RTS game didn't do better.
Thats what made WIC/CoH/WH40K DoW so great in the first place, the fact that they were different, introducing unconventional gameplay elements to keep the genre fresh.
I have no doubt DoW II, WIC Soviet Assault, Sins and CoH Tales of Valor, C&C uprising and Starcraft II will be fun, but lest face it, they're either "expansions", sequels or old school RTSes. They're not going to attract new people to he genre, those games are made to satisfy those that are already fans of the previous installments.
To thrive as a genre, they'ge got to keep pulling in new people. Polishing the same gameplay to perfection to make the fans happy without attracting new fans with new ideas killed Flight Sims, Adventure games and Wargames. It''s a great short term strategy, but over the long run, a stagnant genre, even if full of quality games is a dead genre.
P.S. Don't even get me started about the total War series. I have every Total War game from Medieval onwards and I'll probably pick up Empires, but lets face it, the game is pretty much identical time and time again. The same gameplay, same turn based map system, I mean sure the mechanics are absolute gold, but even I'm getting tired of playing the same game over and over again.
The differences between Medieval TW and Rome TW were graphical and settings based at most. The difference between Medieval TW and Medieval II TW were even less. Sure there were more units onscreen and there were minor gameplay tweaks to the campaign map but all 3 games and expansions sort of flow into the same thing for me.
Operation Flashpoint ruined my life! If thats not a big influence I dunno what is 
Long live Arma2!
Long live Arma2!
Dune II is the RTS I played the most. It was definitely my favourite RTS (anyone seen the Dune movie??). Warcraft 1/2 were alright too. I haven't played an RTS in a long time though.
Yeah my first was the original C&C which is what I grew up on and then Dune/Starcraft. It just seems over time C&C is sticking with the 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' which is true but it just gets repetitive/boring, and they need to implement some innovation.
I think EmpireTW is going to change the the total war series. The game show a lot of promise and if it ever comes out I will eventually get it. M2TW was my first of the series so I haven't dealt with the others; but the game is so easily modable it nice to at least play some different aspects. I can see repetitiveness though but I still enjoy the playing the game over others.
Great game with great following, but how was it influential? You don't see many games incorporating elements from UT. I suppose an argument could be made for its mod tools and community following, though.
I definitely don't see the point of having both Doom and Quake on there. Same game, different content. One implies the other in my book.
Half-Life was robbed, especially if you factor in Counter-Strike. Counter-Strike was responsible for the multiplayer explosion in 2000/2001, and could probably be credited with making gaming more mainstream. For years, there were over 200,000 players online at any given time, just to play CS.
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And wtf is Starcraft?
half life should have been #1. I think Doom was very influential in overall gaming/fps but half life is what everyone models their games after, correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it the first fps that had head shots? I cannot think of the actual term that signifies actual damage to where the enemy is shot but, that is why doom was so hard because anywhere the enemy was shot it would do the same damage.
Half Life, Baldurs Gate and Diablo are the games that got me into playing personally.
Half Life, Baldurs Gate and Diablo are the games that got me into playing personally.
SMOGZINN
Lifer
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Hard to take any list of most influential games seriously that does not include anything older then Doom. They missed all the real roots of PC gaming. Stuff like the SSI Gold Box games, MUDs, and text adventure games like Zork. While you don?t see those type of games much anymore, they absolutely shaped our very concepts of what PC gaming is. For that they are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Surprisingly, I actually agreed with their choices, if not with their rankings.
I also think that they forgot to mention that one of the things that made Doom so influential was that it was one of the first downloadable shareware games that was WIDELY distributed over the internet. That business model is still used today. Also, I think it really introduced a lot of people (including me) to multi-player gaming.
We can certainly argue over what other games should be in the top 10, but you have to admit that every game they named was very influential.
I also think that they forgot to mention that one of the things that made Doom so influential was that it was one of the first downloadable shareware games that was WIDELY distributed over the internet. That business model is still used today. Also, I think it really introduced a lot of people (including me) to multi-player gaming.
We can certainly argue over what other games should be in the top 10, but you have to admit that every game they named was very influential.
SMOGZINN
Lifer
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But we can just as easily say that Wolfenstein 3D should be #1 because it was the first one to actually use a graphical first person view, or DOOM because it introduced multiplayer in both co-op and deathmatch. Certainly either of those are more important to the FPSs then headshots?
Edit: Also, Quake seems to me to have been more influential then Half-life. Quake caused an entire hardware market to develop around it.
Doom came 1 year after Wolfenstein 3d though, so I would say Doom is father of first person shooters since its an evolution or update of id's product. The same thing goes for Command & Conquer vs Dune 2...it was C&C that spawned the army of copycats, came within a year, and was an evolution/update of Westwood's product.
Of note, I believe C&C, Half-Life, and Baldur's Gate 2 are the highest rated PC games of all-time at Metacritic, which (supposedly) is a repository of lifetime reviews.
Of note, I believe C&C, Half-Life, and Baldur's Gate 2 are the highest rated PC games of all-time at Metacritic, which (supposedly) is a repository of lifetime reviews.
Inspector Jihad
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Computer gaming has been around across generations now, so it's almost impossible to make such a list.
In my generation, Civilization is CLEARLY the most influential game of all time. I don't know how it compares to more modern games, though, because I haven't played them as much.
I remember how it was when Civilization first came out, and it changed the face of gaming forever.
In my generation, Civilization is CLEARLY the most influential game of all time. I don't know how it compares to more modern games, though, because I haven't played them as much.
I remember how it was when Civilization first came out, and it changed the face of gaming forever.
A pretty accurate way of predicting the most influential games of the near future is to check out blizzard's website and look at what's in development.
Could not agree more.
Tomb Raider brought the action platformer to the masses and Resident Evil did the same for survival horror.
StinkyPinky
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Deus Ex spawned a whole generation of story orientated action-role playing games. Should be in the list imo.
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