Top 20 innovative companies of the world.

randumb

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dell? wtf?

edit: i know they're efficient, but they don't exactly have the most innovative products
 

hdeck

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Originally posted by: randumb
dell? wtf?

edit: i know they're efficient, but they don't exactly have the most innovative products

doesn't ask about the most innovative products, just innovative in general. dell has certainly mastered supply-chain management better than most.
 

Acanthus

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Dell and Sony should not be on that list.

3M, Apple, Samsung, P&G, and Walmart are extremely fierce competitors and innovators though.
 

loic2003

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Microsoft suprised me.... I mean, where's the innovation?! They're just in the position they're in because people a simply used the their products and the average home user or business is too afraid/ignorant to try alternatives.

What are the MS innovations of the last 5 years?
 

Kelemvor

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GE number 4. Sounds about right if not even low considering all the different industries GE is involved in and that Innovation is one of the Core Concepts.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: loic2003
Microsoft suprised me.... I mean, where's the innovation?! They're just in the position they're in because people a simply used the their products and the average home user or business is too afraid/ignorant to try alternatives.

What are the MS innovations of the last 5 years?

Interface updates they stole from other people.

And of course, updates to their self-installing windows driver suite periodically.

How else can they sell businesses the same thing 4 times :p

2000
XP
2003
Vista

and even 2000 was based heavily on NT, but ill at least give them credit for that, 2000 was actually a significant upgrade with a lot of positive changes over NT.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Dell and Sony should not be on that list.

why not? dell completely revolutionized supply chain management. it has kept their costs extremely low
 

cchen

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: loic2003
Microsoft suprised me.... I mean, where's the innovation?! They're just in the position they're in because people a simply used the their products and the average home user or business is too afraid/ignorant to try alternatives.

What are the MS innovations of the last 5 years?

Interface updates they stole from other people.

And of course, updates to their self-installing windows driver suite periodically.

How else can they sell businesses the same thing 4 times :p

2000
XP
2003
Vista

and even 2000 was based heavily on NT, but ill at least give them credit for that, 2000 was actually a significant upgrade with a lot of positive changes over NT.


again, the criteria for the list is not based off of a company's products
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: cchen
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: loic2003
Microsoft suprised me.... I mean, where's the innovation?! They're just in the position they're in because people a simply used the their products and the average home user or business is too afraid/ignorant to try alternatives.

What are the MS innovations of the last 5 years?

Interface updates they stole from other people.

And of course, updates to their self-installing windows driver suite periodically.

How else can they sell businesses the same thing 4 times :p

2000
XP
2003
Vista

and even 2000 was based heavily on NT, but ill at least give them credit for that, 2000 was actually a significant upgrade with a lot of positive changes over NT.


again, the criteria for the list is not based off of a company's products


I know, but nothing about microsoft is efficient or innovative for the most part. Unless you count the rediculous things like not wearing shoes at work.
 

cchen

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Dell and Sony should not be on that list.

why not? dell completely revolutionized supply chain management. it has kept their costs extremely low


Walmart did that years before.


Walmart has a completely different SCM scheme than Dell does.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: cchen
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Dell and Sony should not be on that list.

why not? dell completely revolutionized supply chain management. it has kept their costs extremely low


Walmart did that years before.


Walmart has a completely different SCM scheme than Dell does.

Yeah, it comes from Taiwan instead of China :p
 

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w00t P&G...i intern in r&d and it takes a lot to come up with these kind of innovations in a field as competitive as consumer goods

microsoft should not even be on that...now they just buy up other ideas and develop them
 

GeneValgene

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Dell and Sony should not be on that list.

why not? dell completely revolutionized supply chain management. it has kept their costs extremely low


Walmart did that years before.

completely different companies with different supply chain structures....dell carries little to no inventory at any given time.
 

Insomniak

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Ahem:


Pfffffft.


Companies that have no business being on that list:

Sony
Dell
Starbucks
Microsoft


Companies that are radically missing from that list:

AMD
Pixar
Costco


Companies that should be much higher on that list:

Samsung
Google
IBM


Best Picks:
3M
Apple
Toyota


All three very much deserve to be there, and all three are huge innovators and great designers.

 

ElFenix

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starbucks wasn't innovative? how is managing to sell millions of people a $5 cup of hot water not innovative? no one else charge more than a dollar, and you weren't there just for the coffee... you were there for the donuts, or the gas.
 

Insomniak

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
starbucks wasn't innovative? how is managing to sell millions of people a $5 cup of hot water not innovative? no one else charge more than a dollar, and you weren't there just for the coffee... you were there for the donuts, or the gas.



Pushing brand image to sell people overpriced items is absolutely nothing new. Many brand name clothing lines have been doing it for quite some time. Not that their stuff is bad, but no pair of jeans is worth $200 or more. Christ, think Ginsu knives. They're good, but they're not that-many-dollars good.

Speaking of which, look at another company on the list: BMW. They can and do get away with ridiculous mark-up over here simply because of the "imported" factor wherein people think they're getting something classy simply because it's from Europe. Go to Germany, and a BMW is akin to a Ford Taurus over here - nothing exceptionally special.

BMWs are nice cars, but they don't have anything you can't get in a Honda or Toyota for less, except for the name.

That said, I allow BMW to remain on this list because they ARE responsible, over history, for some remarkable innovations in engines, especially of the jet variety. They can stay.

 

Kalbi

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Originally posted by: cchen
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Dell and Sony should not be on that list.

why not? dell completely revolutionized supply chain management. it has kept their costs extremely low


Walmart did that years before.


Walmart has a completely different SCM scheme than Dell does.

yea...how are you gonna compare dell and walmart scm...
 

Kalbi

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Originally posted by: Insomniak
Originally posted by: ElFenix
starbucks wasn't innovative? how is managing to sell millions of people a $5 cup of hot water not innovative? no one else charge more than a dollar, and you weren't there just for the coffee... you were there for the donuts, or the gas.



Pushing brand image to sell people overpriced items is absolutely nothing new. Many brand name clothing lines have been doing it for quite some time. Not that their stuff is bad, but no pair of jeans is worth $200 or more. Christ, think Ginsu knives. They're good, but they're not that-many-dollars good.

Speaking of which, look at another company on the list: BMW. They can and do get away with ridiculous mark-up over here simply because of the "imported" factor wherein people think they're getting something classy simply because it's from Europe. Go to Germany, and a BMW is akin to a Ford Taurus over here - nothing exceptionally special.

BMWs are nice cars, but they don't have anything you can't get in a Honda or Toyota for less, except for the name.

That said, I allow BMW to remain on this list because they ARE responsible, over history, for some remarkable innovations in engines, especially of the jet variety. They can stay.

if there are people stupid enough to pay $200 for jeans, then they're worth it
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Insomniak
Pushing brand image to sell people overpriced items is absolutely nothing new. Many brand name clothing lines have been doing it for quite some time. Not that their stuff is bad, but no pair of jeans is worth $200 or more. Christ, think Ginsu knives. They're good, but they're not that-many-dollars good.

the only ginsu knives i've ever used have been super cheap. sure, they could cut through an aluminum can, but don't even try to slice a potato.

and a hot ass girl in a pair of $200 jeans is way better than a hot ass girl in a pair of crappy costco jeans. they do look better. the fit is better, the finish is better, the way they hug that ass is better.