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BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: BDawg
Just to throw this in there -

There was a mythbusters where they showed that talking on the cellphone was worse an imparment than being at the legal limit. Should we ban cell phones too?
Yes, Mythbusters are where I get all my scientific facts.
Not.

BDawg was just playing Demon's advocate . . . he cannot help it . . . he's been associated with WFU.:D

ANY type of distraction impairs your ability to operate a motor vehicle with appropriate attention and skill. The difference between these two conditions is that the phone is transient and fully within the control of the operator . . . that's not the case with being under the influence.

The middle ground is probably fatigue/sleepiness. Those people are extremely dangerous.
 

dainthomas

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: BDawg
Just to throw this in there -

There was a mythbusters where they showed that talking on the cellphone was worse an imparment than being at the legal limit. Should we ban cell phones too?
Yes, Mythbusters are where I get all my scientific facts.
Not.

BDawg was just playing Demon's advocate . . . he cannot help it . . . he's been associated with WFU.:D

ANY type of distraction impairs your ability to operate a motor vehicle with appropriate attention and skill. The difference between these two conditions is that the phone is transient and fully within the control of the operator . . . that's not the case with being under the influence.

The middle ground is probably fatigue/sleepiness. Those people are extremely dangerous.

We need to ban tiredness.
 

Zedtom

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I was in a traffic accident where the driver who hit me was talking on his cell phone. When I got out of my car and walked over to his car he was hunched over sideways looking for his phone on the floor.

The driver who was DUI is the perfect example of the hard core alcoholic. He was binge drinking the night before, and just had a pint to "fix himself up" in the morning.
 
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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
You are proud of driving intoxicated? That's pretty damn sad. And if you were truly intoxicated, you judgement is impared, so you have no actualy idea how close you were. Driving under the influence is a crime, and a very good law to have.
Who are you to say you're not impared? Chances are, if you're saying that, you're too impared to know. I was a bartender for many years, and I saw plenty of people who thought they were fine, but I could hear the slurred speech, watch their hands not grasp the glass of beer/whiskey/etc firmly, yet they would swear in a court of law they were fine.
The DUI laws are there to protect people from drunk drivers like you, not to make your life difficult. If you get busted, and at this point I hope you do before someone gets hurt or worse, you only have your self inflated ego to blame.

Trust me. I drive just fine...as do TONS of people. Even ask my sober friends who've rode with me. It's the downright stupid people who can't drive. Don't see why the law should apply to somebody like me.

Just so you know, if you were to ever cause an accident with me while you were drunk, I would pull you from the vehicle and shoot you dead on the spot. Period. Don't care about jail, don't care about death sentence, as long as you were gone. You think you have rights others don't, that's just fine, so do I. Have a nice day.
 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: techs

Yeah, that makes sense. My friend in the car didn't notice a difference.
And your guess that 40 percent of the people on the road are under the influence of alcohol is so wacky it doesn't deserve a rebuttal.
Truth be told there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO EVER BE UNDER THE INFLUENCE AND DRIVING EXCEPT IN A LIFE OR DEATH EMERGENCY.
I personally believe that many people who continually argue to be allowed to drive under the influence have some sort of problem with alcohol.

No, we just think it's sad that if we decide to drive home after 3 beers from a friends house and get pulled over for a broken tail-light, we're out about 8,000 dollars, have a DUI on our record, and lose our license and go to jail and pay through the nose for insurance.

And you deserve every penny of that fine.

All objective test have shown that alcohol impairs your judgment, reflexes and reaction time.

There just is no excuse to drink & drive.

Scroll down to see the impairment chart

More info

More info

Alcohol related impairment
The epidemiologic evidence linking alcohol and transportation accidents is supported by experimental studies of alcohol's effect on specific driving-related skills. Although the following discussion concentrates on highway traffic safety, most of the skills involved pertain to other forms of transportation as well. These skills may be divided into cognitive skills, such as information processing, and psychomotor skills (those involving eye-brain-hand coordination). Impairment is related to alcohol in terms of its concentration in the bloodstream. For reference, a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) of 0.04 percent might be achieved by a 150-pound man consuming two drinks in 1 hour.

The brain's control of eye movements is highly vulnerable to alcohol. In driving, the eyes must focus briefly on important objects in the visual field and track them as they (and the vehicle) move. Low to moderate BAC's (0.03 to 0.05 percent) interfere with voluntary eye movements, impairing the eye's ability to rapidly track a moving target.

Steering is a complex psychomotor task in which alcohol effects on eye-to-hand reaction time are superimposed upon the visual effects described above. Significant impairment in steering ability may begin as low as approximately 0.035 percent BAC and rises as BAC increases.

Alcohol impairs nearly every aspect of information processing by the brain. Alcohol-impaired drivers require more time to read a street sign or to respond to a traffic signal than unimpaired drivers; consequently, they tend to look at fewer sources of information. Research on the effects of alcohol on performance by both auto-mobile and aircraft operators shows a narrowing of the attentional field beginning at approximately 0.04 percent BAC.


The most sensitive aspect of driving performance is the division of attention among component skills. Drivers must maintain their vehicles in the proper lane and direction (a tracking task) while monitoring the environment for vital safety information, such as other vehicles, traffic signals, and pedestrians. Alcohol-impaired subjects who are required to divide their attention between two tasks tend to favor one of them. Therefore, alcohol-impaired drivers tend to concentrate on steering, becoming less vigilant with respect to safety information. Results of numerous studies indicate that divided attention deficits occur as low as 0.02 percent BAC.

The ability to divide attention is especially critical in aviation. Morrow and colleagues noted that radio communication during simulated flight was impaired significantly by divided attention deficit at BAC's as low as 0.04 percent.

The combined effects of these individual deficits on overall performance have been studied under simulated vehicle-operating conditions. A review of six ground-traffic simulator studies demonstrated consistently poorer performance at BAC's of 0.048 percent and above. In a typical study of the effects of pilot impairment, aircraft pilots completed eight sessions of simulated flight between San Francisco and Los Angeles in a Boeing 727-232 simulator. Planning and performance errors, procedural errors, and failures of vigilance each increased significantly with increasing BAC. Serious errors increased significantly at the lowest BAC, 0.025 percent, compared with performance at 0 percent BAC.

Results of epidemiologic and experimental studies permit certain conclusions to be drawn. First, the degree of impairment depends on the complexity of the task involved as well as the BAC. Second, the magnitude of alcohol-induced impairment rises as BAC increases and dissipates as alcohol is eliminated from the body. Third, at a given BAC, some skills are more impaired than others. Finally, investigators have not found an absolute BAC threshold below which there is no impairment of any kind. Certain skills important for driving are impaired at 0.01 to 0.02 percent BAC, the lowest levels that can be measured reliably by commonly used devices.


 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: f95toli
Originally posted by: BDawg
Just to throw this in there -

There was a mythbusters where they showed that talking on the cellphone was worse an imparment than being at the legal limit. Should we ban cell phones too?

Talking on the cellphone while driving is indeed illegal in some countries. However, in some countries you can talk if you are using a hands-free.

Illegal in denmark unless you use hands-free, yup.
 

Martin

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Originally posted by: techs
Some fool will now try and break the record.

There is no record to break: This guy had 0.727 BAC, this guy registered 0.914.

What can I say, drinking is a whole other ball game over there ;)
 

Martin

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

Scroll down to see the impairment chart

Is that calculator right? It says that I can have 8 beers in four hours and still be under the limit. That seems high. After eight beers I can still do a crossword puzzle and nef like crazy but I know I shouldn't be driving.

Edit: Six regular beers or eight light beers.

it seems a bit generous, yeah. I always thought the rule of thumb was 1 drink (1 beer/1shot/1 wine glass) per hour.
 

smack Down

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

Scroll down to see the impairment chart

Is that calculator right? It says that I can have 8 beers in four hours and still be under the limit. That seems high. After eight beers I can still do a crossword puzzle and nef like crazy but I know I shouldn't be driving.

Edit: Six regular beers or eight light beers.

It depends alot on how much food you have eaten. I think one of the biggest flaws in the DUI laws is that no one has any clue what there BAC is. People are left to guess if they are to legally drunk or not.
 

HombrePequeno

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So the guy had a .727 BAC? That's insane.

I don't think I've heard of anyone close to that. I'm not sure I believe a BAC of .35 is enough to kill most people. I've known quite a few people that were obviously over that (including me) and they've been fine. My view is probably a little skewed considering I live in a greek system...

BlancoNino, if you're 175, how would 3 beers put you over the limit? That would put you around a .04 BAC which would only be illegal for someone underage. It's really not that hard to not drink and drive. I can't say I've ever absolutely NEEDED to drive after drinking.
 

Gibsons

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I suspect he had ketoacidosis (or something else) contributing to an erroneously high reading.