Tony Blair suffers large rebellion over war ammendment

[glenn1]

About the same percentage as supported Bush's position in this CNN poll. And in a modern democratic state, a proposition or candidate receiving 65% of the vote is generally considered a LANDSLIDE victory.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Yep, Blair's got a set on him, he's pretty impressive & I have to give it to the Brits for being a reliable ally😀

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: glenn1
About the same percentage as supported Bush's position in this CNN poll. And in a modern democratic state, a proposition or candidate receiving 65% of the vote is generally considered a LANDSLIDE victory.

In British party politics - especially when most of that is your own party voting against you and not the opposition - its not!

ie if the opposition had decided to play party politics and vote against the government of the day, there would have been a problem.

Andy

 

[Pliablemoose]

Fencer128, don't you think the title is a little misleading?

Tony Blair suffers large rebellion over war ammendment

Also, here's a rather flatering pic of Clair Short International Development Secretary.

She had earlier threatened to quit the government if the UK joined the US in action against Iraq without a second UN resolution.

The Brits just aren't attractive people are they?

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Fencer128, don't you think the title is a little misleading?

Tony Blair suffers large rebellion over war ammendment

Also, here's a rather flatering pic of Clair Short International Development Secretary.

She had earlier threatened to quit the government if the UK joined the US in action against Iraq without a second UN resolution.

The Brits just aren't attractive people are they?

Not really (the vote - not the looks 🙂 )- it definitely is a large rebellion on the part of the labour MP's. I don't see how its misleading - even the BBC describe it as "a major backbench rebellion".

Clare Short isn't the most attractive woman in the world (but then do a search on Anne Widdecombe!). But she isn't entirely representative either 😛 She basically threatened to resign - but didn't, but 3 other cabinet members have since done so.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete
I'm glad to hear the Brits are with us.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Anne Widdecombe

We've got Hillary Clinton🙁

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Anne Widdecombe

We've got Hillary Clinton🙁

:Q

 

[Zebo]

What is this labor party? Like our republicans?

 

[StageLeft]

It sucks. I also have said earlier today that I wish Canada would get a guy like Blair in office instead of that old french bastard Chretien. No offense to the french but that guy is a washed up tired sob and I'll be glad when he high tails it outta that office.

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
What is this labor party? Like our republicans?

LOL - sorry, originally I would have said that our Conservative party most resembled your republican party. We also had the labour party, traditionally a left-wing socialist party. And then there's the liberal democrats - no explanation required there!

Then.... New labour came along (because labour hadn't been in power since 1979 and so needed an electoral overhaul), which gave the outward appearance of old labour - but with some *slight* changes, or so we thought...

Now its generally realised that there's not much seperating the policies of New labour and the Conservatives - which is one of the reasons that the Conservatives (or Tories as they're also known) find it extermely difficult to forge their differing identity.

The result: A lot of disillusioned labour supporters who expected more left-wing and less conservative type policies - but, since the Tories we're not particularly liked when they last went out of power, and because new labour is so similar in policy in a lot of ways, new labour aren't having to try too hard to stay in power.

Up until this crisis that is.

Hope that helps,

Andy

 

[Phuz]

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wish the United States had a leader like Blair!

I know what you're saying. The three times I've seen his speeches and debates have convinced me more of the necessity of Iraq action than every one in a US leadership position combined. When he answers a question, you can tell that he is actually thinking about it before he answers, and the fact that he concedes points actually helps to make his answers more convinvincing.

amen

Yup, especially the speecdh this morning.

 

[hominid skull]

I voted for Blair during the last elections, and i must say that i'm disapointed with the whole war effort. The only reason that Bush has used for going into Iraq is to stop international terrorism. More like finnishing what your dad started. WHERE IS THE PROOF! that's all i want to know. Show me some proof, not so 8 year old post grad thesis, some real proof, i will probably be swayed if i just saw some real evidence.

I feel that the whole war in the middle east won't stop with Iraq, bear with me on this. The true people who they want to get at is Saudi Arabia, how many terrorist on the 9/11 plains were from Iraq/ Saudi Arabia? yet at the moment they are too involved with the supply of oil to the USA and the rest of the world to risk fighting at the moment. If Saudi stopped the supply of oil to the west both europe and the USA would be knoackered. That's why, i feel, they are going into Iraq to secure the oil supplies then, at a later date( i'm taking years, maybe when the next election is looming), go for Saudi Arabia and really stir the cat amongst the pigeons..(breaking opec at the same time)

That's my theory anyway.

We'll see.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wish the United States had a leader like Blair!

I know what you're saying. The three times I've seen his speeches and debates have convinced me more of the necessity of Iraq action than every one in a US leadership position combined. When he answers a question, you can tell that he is actually thinking about it before he answers, and the fact that he concedes points actually helps to make his answers more convinvincing.

that and he has a set of brass ones. i admire the guy.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Phuz

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wish the United States had a leader like Blair!

I know what you're saying. The three times I've seen his speeches and debates have convinced me more of the necessity of Iraq action than every one in a US leadership position combined. When he answers a question, you can tell that he is actually thinking about it before he answers, and the fact that he concedes points actually helps to make his answers more convinvincing.

amen

Yup, especially the speecdh this morning.

In comparison to Blair, Bush really does seem like a simpleton.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It sucks. I also have said earlier today that I wish Canada would get a guy like Blair in office instead of that old french bastard Chretien. No offense to the french but that guy is a washed up tired sob and I'll be glad when he high tails it outta that office.

About another year, then, as it appears, Paul Martin will take over the reigns. Don't know if Martin will make a good PM, but of all the party leaders I think he comes out on top.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wish the United States had a leader like Blair!

You guys could always apologize for the Tea Party, Revolution, and what not. Perhaps Britain would let bygones be bygones and nix the tax. 😀

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wish the United States had a leader like Blair!

You guys could always apologize for the Tea Party, Revolution, and what not. Perhaps Britain would let bygones be bygones and nix the tax. 😀

😱

 

[Jimbo]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Phuz

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wish the United States had a leader like Blair!

I know what you're saying. The three times I've seen his speeches and debates have convinced me more of the necessity of Iraq action than every one in a US leadership position combined. When he answers a question, you can tell that he is actually thinking about it before he answers, and the fact that he concedes points actually helps to make his answers more convinvincing.

amen

Yup, especially the speecdh this morning.

In comparison to Blair, Bush really does seem like a simpleton.

You are just upset because Bush had the idea first.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
What is this labor party? Like our republicans?

LOL - sorry, originally I would have said that our Conservative party most resembled your republican party. We also had the labour party, traditionally a left-wing socialist party. And then there's the liberal democrats - no explanation required there!

Then.... New labour came along (because labour hadn't been in power since 1979 and so needed an electoral overhaul), which gave the outward appearance of old labour - but with some *slight* changes, or so we thought...

Now its generally realised that there's not much seperating the policies of New labour and the Conservatives - which is one of the reasons that the Conservatives (or Tories as they're also known) find it extermely difficult to forge their differing identity.

The result: A lot of disillusioned labour supporters who expected more left-wing and less conservative type policies - but, since the Tories we're not particularly liked when they last went out of power, and because new labour is so similar in policy in a lot of ways, new labour aren't having to try too hard to stay in power.

Up until this crisis that is.

Hope that helps,

Andy

Thanks ANDY...Sounds A LOT like our two parties, two side of the same coin.. Some liberals even say Clinton was the most conservative pres in 25 years.

Reagan and Bush could'nt get NAFTA, Welfare Reform and other goodies passed but Clinton did.

 

[Jimbo]

Originally posted by: hominid skull
I voted for Blair during the last elections, and i must say that i'm disapointed with the whole war effort. The only reason that Bush has used for going into Iraq is to stop international terrorism. More like finnishing what your dad started. WHERE IS THE PROOF! that's all i want to know. Show me some proof, not so 8 year old post grad thesis, some real proof, i will probably be swayed if i just saw some real evidence.

I feel that the whole war in the middle east won't stop with Iraq, bear with me on this. The true people who they want to get at is Saudi Arabia, how many terrorist on the 9/11 plains were from Iraq/ Saudi Arabia? yet at the moment they are too involved with the supply of oil to the USA and the rest of the world to risk fighting at the moment. If Saudi stopped the supply of oil to the west both europe and the USA would be knoackered. That's why, i feel, they are going into Iraq to secure the oil supplies then, at a later date( i'm taking years, maybe when the next election is looming), go for Saudi Arabia and really stir the cat amongst the pigeons..(breaking opec at the same time)

That's my theory anyway.

We'll see.

The USA received more oil from Venezuela than we did from Saudi Arabia and the WHOLE Persian Gulf. When that supply was cut off because of strikes, it did not seem to make a big difference.
Now Venezuela is coming back on-line. I think pretty soon that OPEC will have some problems.

 

[sandorski]

Fencer is correct on one point, that under the Parliamentary system, despite the current majority vote, if Blair's party rebels against him Blair could still be ousted as PM. The Parliamentary system doesn't protect the PM like the US President is protected, it is quite a bit easier to get rid of a PM than a President. It's not that a PM isn't protected, it's just that a PM can be ousted by a number of means between elections.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Jimbo

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Phuz

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wish the United States had a leader like Blair!

I know what you're saying. The three times I've seen his speeches and debates have convinced me more of the necessity of Iraq action than every one in a US leadership position combined. When he answers a question, you can tell that he is actually thinking about it before he answers, and the fact that he concedes points actually helps to make his answers more convinvincing.

amen

Yup, especially the speecdh this morning.

In comparison to Blair, Bush really does seem like a simpleton.

You are just upset because Bush had the idea first.

Who's upset? I was just making an observation. Notice I didn't say that Bush is a Moron, I just said in comparison to Blair he looks like one. That's a compliment to Tony Blair.

 

[Jimbo]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Jimbo

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Phuz

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wish the United States had a leader like Blair!

I know what you're saying. The three times I've seen his speeches and debates have convinced me more of the necessity of Iraq action than every one in a US leadership position combined. When he answers a question, you can tell that he is actually thinking about it before he answers, and the fact that he concedes points actually helps to make his answers more convinvincing.

amen

Yup, especially the speecdh this morning.

In comparison to Blair, Bush really does seem like a simpleton.

You are just upset because Bush had the idea first.

Who's upset? I was just making an observation. Notice I dind't say that Bush is a Moron, I just said in comparison to Blair he looks like one. That's a compliment to Tony Blair.

:Q

Humm, articulate, good flow of ideas, no flame or even sarcasm, no spelling errors...

Your NOT RedDawn!
Where is he you BASTARD!
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH HIM!!!!!??????

 

[Bulk Beef]

Am I the only one that thought the "end of story" exchange at the beginning of this thread was funny as sh*t?