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Tonight's Over There Episode [07-27-2005]...

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Originally posted by: Rogue
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: Rogue On a final note, I think the one major political statement made in the entire show that some people might have overlooked was the UH-1 that took the kid away at the end. Now, I haven't been over there and I can't say with 100% certainty, but I don't think there are a whole lot of Hueys over there, if any. Virtually all of the Medevac choppers in theatre are the UH-60 Blackhawk in it's various configurations. If there are any Hueys, they've been given to the Iraqi military for use. I viewed that scene as a veiled attempt at drawing a line between Iraq and Vietnam with the viewer because most Americans associate the UH-1 Huey and Vietnam. Don't know if that was the intent, but that was the effect on me.
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Interesting that you mention that because I too thought of the something along very similar lines. The final scene looked like it was straight out of that TV show "China Beach" which was about the Vietnam war. Furthermore I certainly do seem to recall - however can't quite put my finger on it - of an image that looks similar to that Huey with the sun in the background. I know I have seen something that had the same positioning and outlines, just can't remember what it was that it reminds me of.
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I think similar scenes have appeared in a number of Vietnam movies, but the old helicopter in the sunset scene is pretty played out in all war movies/shows IMHO.
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I'm guessing the scene in Apocolypse Now is the one he was reminded of. Now that you all mention it, that movie came to my mind first.

I enjoyed the show. I don't know all the absolute specifics such as Rogue, so I wasn't sitting there calling out mistakes. It's a TV show. Not a documentary.
 
i like the show. Ill definitely tune in next week, but i do have one problem with it.

I really dont think the sex scenes. i dont think they are necessary, even though it was just a few seconds and one of many storylines in the show.

 
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: Rogue On a final note, I think the one major political statement made in the entire show that some people might have overlooked was the UH-1 that took the kid away at the end. Now, I haven't been over there and I can't say with 100% certainty, but I don't think there are a whole lot of Hueys over there, if any. Virtually all of the Medevac choppers in theatre are the UH-60 Blackhawk in it's various configurations. If there are any Hueys, they've been given to the Iraqi military for use. I viewed that scene as a veiled attempt at drawing a line between Iraq and Vietnam with the viewer because most Americans associate the UH-1 Huey and Vietnam. Don't know if that was the intent, but that was the effect on me.
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Interesting that you mention that because I too thought of the something along very similar lines. The final scene looked like it was straight out of that TV show "China Beach" which was about the Vietnam war. Furthermore I certainly do seem to recall - however can't quite put my finger on it - of an image that looks similar to that Huey with the sun in the background. I know I have seen something that had the same positioning and outlines, just can't remember what it was that it reminds me of.
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I thought that helicopter looked funny.

overall it was a good episode i think.
 
Originally posted by: Rogue
Not a bad show, although, there were some things they took over the top.

First off, not everyone has a damn nickname in the Army. I thought it was an overworked and lame way to try and introduce all the characters personally. Hell, my nickname would be Franzen, but that's just my damn last name.

Second, I seriously doubt a squad sized element is going to be holding down an entire building full of the the enemy while negotiations are ongoing. That building would have been surrounded and pounded into oblivion after just a few hours.

Third, the damned truck that hit the mine would have been and should have been sandbagged, period. Sandbags would have saved that kid's leg. Pretty much, unless the vehicle has been armored, everyone else sandbags the hell out of their vehicles over there.

Finally, that b!tch that cheated on her husband is something that I saw happen more than I care to remember when I was policing a base here stateside from September 2001 - August 2003. I would never condone violence against women, but seeing that happen as often as it did and not being able to really do anything about it made me have violent thoughts. If ever there was a reason to go caveman on a women and drag her by the hair, that's a circumstance as far as I'm concerned. What was even harder was charging the husbands for spousal abuse when they came home and did just that. Very, very frustrating situation to be in.

Overall, the show was alright I guess. On a final note, I think the one major political statement made in the entire show that some people might have overlooked was the UH-1 that took the kid away at the end. Now, I haven't been over there and I can't say with 100% certainty, but I don't think there are a whole lot of Hueys over there, if any. Virtually all of the Medevac choppers in theatre are the UH-60 Blackhawk in it's various configurations. If there are any Hueys, they've been given to the Iraqi military for use. I viewed that scene as a veiled attempt at drawing a line between Iraq and Vietnam with the viewer because most Americans associate the UH-1 Huey and Vietnam. Don't know if that was the intent, but that was the effect on me.
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my guess is a huey is cheaper to rent/buy for a television show then a blackhawk. might just be simple economics.
 
Originally posted by: Rogue
Not a bad show, although, there were some things they took over the top.

First off, not everyone has a damn nickname in the Army. I thought it was an overworked and lame way to try and introduce all the characters personally. Hell, my nickname would be Franzen, but that's just my damn last name.
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Yes, and why are they just introducing themselves to each other in Iraq? That reminds me more of the second day of basic training than of a group that is already fighting together

Finally, that b!tch that cheated on her husband is something that I saw happen more than I care to remember when I was policing a base here stateside from September 2001 - August 2003. I would never condone violence against women, but seeing that happen as often as it did and not being able to really do anything about it made me have violent thoughts. If ever there was a reason to go caveman on a women and drag her by the hair, that's a circumstance as far as I'm concerned. What was even harder was charging the husbands for spousal abuse when they came home and did just that. Very, very frustrating situation to be in.
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Yup, I hate that...and hate that it even happens among the wives you wouldn't expect to cheat.

I mean, it would be a little more understandable if the guy was in a position to cheat...but he's out in the desert surrounded by stinky soldiers who are 90%+ male
 


I think the fire-fight was a bit over the top... I mean are insurgents "over there" really that dumb? They simply walk towards the US side firing their AKs from the hip... Ummm WTF? What did the guy that got his entire torso and up blown off got hit by? I don't think .50 cal can even do that much damage... but it seemed too small for M203 launchers. As far as the whole show goes, I'll watch it for few episodes.

 
Originally posted by: Babbles
...I know I have seen something that had the same positioning and outlines, just can't remember what it was that it reminds me of.
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Maybe the poster for "Miss Saigon"?
 
Originally posted by: razor2025


I think the fire-fight was a bit over the top... I mean are insurgents "over there" really that dumb? They simply walk towards the US side firing their AKs from the hip... Ummm WTF? What did the guy that got his entire torso and up blown off got hit by? I don't think .50 cal can even do that much damage... but it seemed too small for M203 launchers. As far as the whole show goes, I'll watch it for few episodes.
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I was wondering about the clip of the guys torso getting blown apart also. I guess a .50cal makes the most sense though.
 
Originally posted by: minus1972
Originally posted by: Rogue
Not a bad show, although, there were some things they took over the top.

First off, not everyone has a damn nickname in the Army. I thought it was an overworked and lame way to try and introduce all the characters personally. Hell, my nickname would be Franzen, but that's just my damn last name.

Second, I seriously doubt a squad sized element is going to be holding down an entire building full of the the enemy while negotiations are ongoing. That building would have been surrounded and pounded into oblivion after just a few hours.

Third, the damned truck that hit the mine would have been and should have been sandbagged, period. Sandbags would have saved that kid's leg. Pretty much, unless the vehicle has been armored, everyone else sandbags the hell out of their vehicles over there.

Finally, that b!tch that cheated on her husband is something that I saw happen more than I care to remember when I was policing a base here stateside from September 2001 - August 2003. I would never condone violence against women, but seeing that happen as often as it did and not being able to really do anything about it made me have violent thoughts. If ever there was a reason to go caveman on a women and drag her by the hair, that's a circumstance as far as I'm concerned. What was even harder was charging the husbands for spousal abuse when they came home and did just that. Very, very frustrating situation to be in.

Overall, the show was alright I guess. On a final note, I think the one major political statement made in the entire show that some people might have overlooked was the UH-1 that took the kid away at the end. Now, I haven't been over there and I can't say with 100% certainty, but I don't think there are a whole lot of Hueys over there, if any. Virtually all of the Medevac choppers in theatre are the UH-60 Blackhawk in it's various configurations. If there are any Hueys, they've been given to the Iraqi military for use. I viewed that scene as a veiled attempt at drawing a line between Iraq and Vietnam with the viewer because most Americans associate the UH-1 Huey and Vietnam. Don't know if that was the intent, but that was the effect on me.
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my guess is a huey is cheaper to rent/buy for a television show then a blackhawk. might just be simple economics.
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exactly the reason.
 
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