Tonight's Battlestar Galactica Episode [01-21-2006]...

[techs]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: JMWarren

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: Citrix
ok im confused. are the final 5 "alive" now, say one copy each just doing the human thing and is that how deanna was able to recognize the one she saw?

It would seem logical that the only way that she could recognize them if they looked unique, unlike your typical cylon model where you have hundreds of the same looking person. That would lead me to believe that all 5 are in the Galactica fleet.

I think it's doubtful that all 5 exist in the fleet. If the 7 didn't know much about the 5 it's likely that if they were living among humans most if not all would have been killed in the attack on the colonies.

yea I dont think all 5 are humans in the fleet. It seemed to me that #3 was only shocked when seeing one of the 5

But the 5 would have known of the attack from the downloaded 7 prior to the attack, which would put them in the position to get the right crew on Galactica AND make sure they had the old vipers.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: JMWarren

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: Citrix
ok im confused. are the final 5 "alive" now, say one copy each just doing the human thing and is that how deanna was able to recognize the one she saw?

It would seem logical that the only way that she could recognize them if they looked unique, unlike your typical cylon model where you have hundreds of the same looking person. That would lead me to believe that all 5 are in the Galactica fleet.

I think it's doubtful that all 5 exist in the fleet. If the 7 didn't know much about the 5 it's likely that if they were living among humans most if not all would have been killed in the attack on the colonies.

yea I dont think all 5 are humans in the fleet. It seemed to me that #3 was only shocked when seeing one of the 5

and lest not forget what she said. something like.

"You?" (with suprise and awe)

then

"forgive us" (with sorrow)

she reaches out to touch the unknown cylon and is grabbed by baltar.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: JMWarren

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: Citrix
ok im confused. are the final 5 "alive" now, say one copy each just doing the human thing and is that how deanna was able to recognize the one she saw?

It would seem logical that the only way that she could recognize them if they looked unique, unlike your typical cylon model where you have hundreds of the same looking person. That would lead me to believe that all 5 are in the Galactica fleet.

I think it's doubtful that all 5 exist in the fleet. If the 7 didn't know much about the 5 it's likely that if they were living among humans most if not all would have been killed in the attack on the colonies.

yea I dont think all 5 are humans in the fleet. It seemed to me that #3 was only shocked when seeing one of the 5

But the 5 would have known of the attack from the downloaded 7 prior to the attack, which would put them in the position to get the right crew on Galactica AND make sure they had the old vipers.

?? i missed that part. whats the deal with the old vipers?

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: JMWarren

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: Citrix
ok im confused. are the final 5 "alive" now, say one copy each just doing the human thing and is that how deanna was able to recognize the one she saw?

It would seem logical that the only way that she could recognize them if they looked unique, unlike your typical cylon model where you have hundreds of the same looking person. That would lead me to believe that all 5 are in the Galactica fleet.

I think it's doubtful that all 5 exist in the fleet. If the 7 didn't know much about the 5 it's likely that if they were living among humans most if not all would have been killed in the attack on the colonies.

yea I dont think all 5 are humans in the fleet. It seemed to me that #3 was only shocked when seeing one of the 5

But the 5 would have known of the attack from the downloaded 7 prior to the attack, which would put them in the position to get the right crew on Galactica AND make sure they had the old vipers.

?? i missed that part. whats the deal with the old vipers?

immune to that cylon computer hack

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: JMWarren

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: Citrix
ok im confused. are the final 5 "alive" now, say one copy each just doing the human thing and is that how deanna was able to recognize the one she saw?

It would seem logical that the only way that she could recognize them if they looked unique, unlike your typical cylon model where you have hundreds of the same looking person. That would lead me to believe that all 5 are in the Galactica fleet.

I think it's doubtful that all 5 exist in the fleet. If the 7 didn't know much about the 5 it's likely that if they were living among humans most if not all would have been killed in the attack on the colonies.

yea I dont think all 5 are humans in the fleet. It seemed to me that #3 was only shocked when seeing one of the 5

But the 5 would have known of the attack from the downloaded 7 prior to the attack, which would put them in the position to get the right crew on Galactica AND make sure they had the old vipers.

?? i missed that part. whats the deal with the old vipers?

immune to that cylon computer hack

Also, Adama was vehemtly against any networked computers on his ship.

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: JMWarren

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: Citrix
ok im confused. are the final 5 "alive" now, say one copy each just doing the human thing and is that how deanna was able to recognize the one she saw?

It would seem logical that the only way that she could recognize them if they looked unique, unlike your typical cylon model where you have hundreds of the same looking person. That would lead me to believe that all 5 are in the Galactica fleet.

I think it's doubtful that all 5 exist in the fleet. If the 7 didn't know much about the 5 it's likely that if they were living among humans most if not all would have been killed in the attack on the colonies.

yea I dont think all 5 are humans in the fleet. It seemed to me that #3 was only shocked when seeing one of the 5

But the 5 would have known of the attack from the downloaded 7 prior to the attack, which would put them in the position to get the right crew on Galactica AND make sure they had the old vipers.

?? i missed that part. whats the deal with the old vipers?

immune to that cylon computer hack

Also, Adama was vehemtly against any networked computers on his ship.

It was all set up like this by the 5 from the beginning then. Adama is one of them. Baltar certainly is not.

 

[Vic]

If Baltar is a cylon, then the show is ruined, he didn't betray humanity.

If Adama is a cylon, then why did Boomer shoot him?

If Starbuck is a cylon, then why did they steal her ovary?

Sorry, techs, but I think you're making leaps about the "final 5" which IMO just demonstrate how much the show has lost its direction this season and how much the writers are trying to cover that up with intrigue. And if you all are following the behind the scenes drama, a lot of this lack of direction is because of infighting amongst cast members and production. Moore hasn't been managing well, and he's been far too eager to kill off characters (read: fire cast members) he hasn't gotten along with.

 

[Homerboy]

While I'm not making any guesses as to the 5...

If Adama is a cylon, then why did Boomer shoot him?

She (or any of the other 7 ) wouldn't have known Adama is one of the 5 so they would think killing him is "good"

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Homerboy
While I'm not making any guesses as to the 5...

If Adama is a cylon, then why did Boomer shoot him?

She (or any of the other 7 ) wouldn't have known Adama is one of the 5 so they would think killing him is "good"

See, this is just convoluted. If the shows goes in this direction, it will die a quick and ugly death. If they make Adama a cylon, they may as well make everyone a cylon, and the human race is already extinct after all.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Vic
If Baltar is a cylon, then the show is ruined, he didn't betray humanity.

If Adama is a cylon, then why did Boomer shoot him?

If Starbuck is a cylon, then why did they steal her ovary?

Sorry, techs, but I think you're making leaps about the "final 5" which IMO just demonstrate how much the show has lost its direction this season and how much the writers are trying to cover that up with intrigue. And if you all are following the behind the scenes drama, a lot of this lack of direction is because of infighting amongst cast members and production. Moore hasn't been managing well, and he's been far too eager to kill off characters (read: fire cast members) he hasn't gotten along with.

If Baltar is a cylon, then the show is ruined, he didn't betray humanity
Which is a good reason for him not to be a cylon.

If Adama is a cylon, then why did Boomer shoot him?
The 7 don't know who the 5 are, as has already been explained.

If Starbuck is a cylon, then why did they steal her ovary?
It is possible they suspect Starbuck is one of the 5 because they know of her paintings in her apartment. And took the ovary to try and determine why the 5 can have children.

And if anyone thinks this whole theory, if true, would create outrage, then read this article:
Upcoming BSG Episodes To Create Outrage, Producer Says
http://www.syfyportal.com/news423163.html

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Vic
I hate to say it, but I think the show's storyline has lost its direction, and the writers are trying to cover that up with intrigue.

I concur with this.

 

[OrganizedChaos]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: NuroMancer

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
i don't think starbuck is a cylon, if she was they wouldn't have needed one of her ovaries.
i don't think adama is a clyon, he has kids.
i don't think laura is a cylon, cylons don't get cancer.
i don't think its any of the petty officers because #3 never met them onscreen

my vote goes to tigh being a cylon. he would be in a position of power if adama died. was not killed by the cylons while in detention despite being the leader of the resistance. had a wife and stayed with her no matter what she did, a cylon trait, and possibly only killed her to maintain his cover.

i think the presidents spiritual advisor is a cylon too.

No good, Adama and Tigh both have established histories leading up to the first Cylon war. Anders however is high on the list, especially since D'ana tried to kill him on Old Caprica.

Agreed Tigh was with Adama for YEARS before they pissed the cylons off.

I was thinking Helo.

Helo wouldn't make any sense. He has a kid with Sharon. The cylons aren't supposed to be able to interbreed.

Plus the kid is half-human, and she sure didn't get that from Sharon.

As for people we can eliminate:
Adama: Established history, kids
Tigh: Established history
Mrs. Tigh: Established history
Roslin: Cancer
Lee: Adama's kid
Cally: Kid
Chief: Kid
Helo: Kid
Zarek: Established history

People that are really unlikely to be Cylons:
Starbuck: An established history leading back to marrying an Adama, her being a Cylon would be pushing it
Baltar: We don't have confirmation on this, but D'Anna certainly didn't look like she saw Baltar

Likely Cylons:
Dee: No established history, but not entirely likely since D'Anna has never really interacted with here
Gaeta: Highly likely, she worked with him regularly on New Caprica, plus there was that little action at the end of S1.
Anders: No established history

It certainly has to be limited to the 3 above, or some recurring cast member that never plays a big part. It's just too easy to eliminate everyone else.

your right but we forgot an aditional detail. anti-cylon radiation. Dee and Gaeta didn't get sick when galactica was on the radiation planet restocking munitions. Anders wasn't on the ship at the time he was still on caprica.

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: Aharami
man i wish BSG was in HD

Yeah, my Time Warner broadcast is rather grainy. Could the bad weather affect cable signal quality?

Originally posted by: Imp
. . .. And, why in all those years, could they not make guns actually capable of taking cylons out? You'd think they have got some better weapons/energy weapons.

"All those years?" What years

Why the years they spent 'knowing' another(?) cylon attack was coming of course.

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: crownjules

Originally posted by: techs
I am voting for a radical idea. All of the 5 missing Cylons are members of the Galactica crew. I believe that they are a different kind of Cylon. These Cylons live human type lives starting as infants, growing old and dying. Which means even characters with backstories like Adama can be Cylons.
The 5 were a breakaway sect or the other 7 broke away from them. The 5 created Cylons with far more independence whose only programming was to help humans. The basis of the 5 is an independent computer program within the Cylon mainframe (or distributed net) that has shielded itself from the rest of the collective Cylon program. The only time a Cylon can be aware of the 5 is during a download when their conciousness is in the mainframe. By focusing on seeing the 5 D'anna could see some of the program.
It is also possible for the 5 to influence the actions of 7 by inserting some instructions during a download.
The end result is two different Cylon ideologies playing out the same story over and over (this has happened before...).
So the most talented and influential people are the Cylons. Adama, Tigh, Starbuck for sure and possibly the Chief or Lee. Leaving the last one either Baltar or someone else.
It is even possible that in a prior cycle the Cylons managed to kill all the humans and the 5 resurrected humanity to continue the cycle.

It's an interesting theory, but one that is highly unlikely for a number of reasons:

1) Lee is Adama's son. It's established history of the character - it would be an incredibly broken plotline if it were suddenly revealed that Lee is in fact a one of the Final Five Cylon. I'm sure lots of people would think "OH COOL" but it just doesn't fit with what we know.

2) Unless the Final Five Cylon are capable of producing offspring that don't exhibit differing traits (such as Helo and Sharon's baby), you have to rule out the Chief, Adama, and Lee (again). Again, this would be an incredibly gaping plot hole - these Cylons reproduce with human offspring this way, while these others do it differently just because it makes the story work.

Starbuck is suspect, but she has such an intense hatred of the Cylons that it makes me second-guess. Zarek makes a lot of sense - he was an anti-government terrorist previous to the attacks, he's tried to sow dissent against Roslin and work his own agenda. I'm also very much convinced that Baltir is not a Cylon at this point.

I was thinking that the reproductive problem for the Cylons was the degree to which they emulate humans. The 5 are mostly human and their creations can pro-create but the 7 have too much Cylon in them. The offspring of the 5 are essentially human. The 5 are convinced that their way is correct because God wants them to reproduce and the fact they can proves they right while the 7 are trying to find a way to pro-create while still remaining mostly Cylon. This comes down to the 7 despising their human part and the 5 embracing it.

uhh, which ones are 5 and 7?

 

[Shawn]

Also does anyone know if the 6 that helped Sharon get back on Galactica was Caprica 6?

 

[postmortemIA]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Vic
If Baltar is a cylon, then the show is ruined, he didn't betray humanity.

If Adama is a cylon, then why did Boomer shoot him?

If Starbuck is a cylon, then why did they steal her ovary?

Sorry, techs, but I think you're making leaps about the "final 5" which IMO just demonstrate how much the show has lost its direction this season and how much the writers are trying to cover that up with intrigue. And if you all are following the behind the scenes drama, a lot of this lack of direction is because of infighting amongst cast members and production. Moore hasn't been managing well, and he's been far too eager to kill off characters (read: fire cast members) he hasn't gotten along with.

If Baltar is a cylon, then the show is ruined, he didn't betray humanity
Which is a good reason for him not to be a cylon.

If Adama is a cylon, then why did Boomer shoot him?
The 7 don't know who the 5 are, as has already been explained.

If Starbuck is a cylon, then why did they steal her ovary?
It is possible they suspect Starbuck is one of the 5 because they know of her paintings in her apartment. And took the ovary to try and determine why the 5 can have children.

And if anyone thinks this whole theory, if true, would create outrage, then read this article:
Upcoming BSG Episodes To Create Outrage, Producer Says
http://www.syfyportal.com/news423163.html

Starbuck is going out of show linky link

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: techs
I am voting for a radical idea. All of the 5 missing Cylons are members of the Galactica crew. I believe that they are a different kind of Cylon. These Cylons live human type lives starting as infants, growing old and dying. Which means even characters with backstories like Adama can be Cylons.
The 5 were a breakaway sect or the other 7 broke away from them. The 5 created Cylons with far more independence whose only programming was to help humans. The basis of the 5 is an independent computer program within the Cylon mainframe (or distributed net) that has shielded itself from the rest of the collective Cylon program. The only time a Cylon can be aware of the 5 is during a download when their conciousness is in the mainframe. By focusing on seeing the 5 D'anna could see some of the program.
It is also possible for the 5 to influence the actions of 7 by inserting some instructions during a download.
The end result is two different Cylon ideologies playing out the same story over and over (this has happened before...).
So the most talented and influential people are the Cylons. Adama, Tigh, Starbuck for sure and possibly the Chief or Lee. Leaving the last one either Baltar or someone else.
It is even possible that in a prior cycle the Cylons managed to kill all the humans and the 5 resurrected humanity to continue the cycle.

You just blew my mind.

Yeah cool concept.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

This show has been going downhill for a long time and it's not getting any better. I'm amazed they picked it up for another season...

 

[postmortemIA]

Remaining 5 are remaining 5 on their ships....

 

[RbSX]

Anyone else not digging the radical changes they're making?

I think it's stupid.

 

[postmortemIA]

Hopefully it won't be as lame as in Lost, when they kill off semi-major characters because they don't have long-term contracts.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Anyone else not digging the radical changes they're making?

I think it's stupid.

The show started to suck from the last few episodes of season 1. There was a glimmer of hope at the start of this season then they snuffed that out PDQ. Maybe they need some radical changes to get it going again, although I'd suggest getting rid of whoever is creating the awful scripts first. There are some decent actors on the show but they can't polish a turd. Most of them seem to be sleep-walking through the dross they're given.

 

[silverpig]

The show has to constantly change in order to stay interesting. You guys who want the same "oh no, the cylons are attacking! Launch vipers and start blasting" every episode would kill the show with that type of repetitive special FX laden monotony. Characters have to develop, things have to change, cylons have to be revealed slowly.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
your right but we forgot an aditional detail. anti-cylon radiation. Dee and Gaeta didn't get sick when galactica was on the radiation planet restocking munitions. Anders wasn't on the ship at the time he was still on caprica.

True, but I'm not sure that would be a strong elimination factor. No one noticed Boomer being affected by it and Doral was fine too, which is to be expected if it takes several hours to set in.

Originally posted by: Shawn
Also does anyone know if the 6 that helped Sharon get back on Galactica was Caprica 6?

You can never be quite sure, but it's strongly implied in the series that whenever we see one of the Cylons, it's the Cylon for that model unless said Cylon is known to be somewhere else. In this case Caprica 6 and Boomer had been taking care of the child, so it's a safe assumption that that's Captica 6, which is great because it means it'll be Caprica and Baltar sharing cells.

Oh, and this brings me to bitching point #4: Hera. So the Cylons capture the child half a season ago and did exactly what with the child besides worrying about it? The only important factor about Hera it seems is that she could be used as a plot point for Athena to try to take her back.:|

PS silverpig: Stargate SG-1

 

[Zugzwang152]

Dammit. The new Starbuck is one of the coolest aspects of this series. :| Take Katie away, you better give Grace Park more screentime. :|