Tonight's 78th Annual Academy Awards [03-05-2006]...

[dwell]

Crash : Cliff Notes Version

Black Man: I am black. I hold no racial prejudice towards anyone despite the whole slavery thing or the fact that I cannot get a cab in this city for swat.

White Woman: I am white. I respect your opinions as a black man. I too harbor no racial prejudice. In fact, I own the new Jay-Z CD. Do you too own that album, sir?

Black Man: You cracker bitch! What do you think -- all black people do is sit around listening to rap all day?!? F*** you!

White Woman: No, f*** you Sambo! You're right, I hate all minorities! In fact everyone knows that racial harmony is an ultra-thin façade under which everyone is an evil, vile racist. F*** you I say!

Indian Store Clerk: Hey, please keep it down you two.

Black Man and White Woman (in unison): F*** you Bin Laden!

 

[Slap]

Big night for Tennesseans with Reese and Three Six winning 🙂. By the way, today is 3/6. Also, both Hustle and Flow and Walk the Line were filmed in Memphis. We are starting to get a lot of movies filmed here. They are also shooting a pilot TV show here.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: dwell
Crash : Cliff Notes Version

Black Man: I am black. I hold no racial prejudice towards anyone despite the whole slavery thing or the fact that I cannot get a cab in this city for swat.

White Woman: I am white. I respect your opinions as a black man. I too harbor no racial prejudice. In fact, I own the new Jay-Z CD. Do you too own that album, sir?

Black Man: You cracker bitch! What do you think -- all black people do is sit around listening to rap all day?!? F*** you!

White Woman: No, f*** you Sambo! You're right, I hate all minorities! In fact everyone knows that racial harmony is an ultra-thin façade under which everyone is an evil, vile racist. F*** you I say!

Indian Store Clerk: Hey, please keep it down you two.

Black Man and White Woman (in unison): F*** you Bin Laden!

Uhh... did you actually see crash?

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: dwell
Crash : Cliff Notes Version

Black Man: I am black. I hold no racial prejudice towards anyone despite the whole slavery thing or the fact that I cannot get a cab in this city for swat.

White Woman: I am white. I respect your opinions as a black man. I too harbor no racial prejudice. In fact, I own the new Jay-Z CD. Do you too own that album, sir?

Black Man: You cracker bitch! What do you think -- all black people do is sit around listening to rap all day?!? F*** you!

White Woman: No, f*** you Sambo! You're right, I hate all minorities! In fact everyone knows that racial harmony is an ultra-thin façade under which everyone is an evil, vile racist. F*** you I say!

Indian Store Clerk: Hey, please keep it down you two.

Black Man and White Woman (in unison): F*** you Bin Laden!

So it's a comedy? Sounds hilarious!

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: torpid
Uhh... did you actually see crash?

Yes. Point being Crash wins zero points on subtly getting its message across. You're pounded over the head with over-the-top caricatures and contrived redemptions. Gee, we didn't understand to stand on race relations landscape you don't have to be cut from either the Rosa Parks or Adolph Hitler archetype! Racism, shades of grey?!? No way! Thanks Crash for pounding me over the head^M^M^M^M^M^M er pointing that out to me!

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: torpid
Uhh... did you actually see crash?

Yes. Point being Crash wins zero points on subtly getting its message across. You're pounded over the head with over-the-top caricatures and contrived redemptions. Gee, we didn't understand to stand on race relations landscape you don't have to be cut from either the Rosa Parks or Adolph Hitler archetype! Racism, shades of grey?!? No way! Thanks Crash for pounding me over the head^M^M^M^M^M^M er pointing that out to me!

So therefore you chose to make a cliff notes version that literally did not have any relationship to what characters actually said or thought but were kind of similar? If your point was valid then you should have been able to use things that were actually said in the film to prove your point, but you just made up stuff instead. There weren't even any Indians in the film to my knowledge.

 

[SaltBoy]

Originally posted by: torpid
Totally disagree about brokeback score not being good. The score was excellent and really added a lot to the film. The others were just score that did not add any personality to their films.

Oh c'mon, I could have written the main theme to BBM in 2 minutes. Go listen to the scores to Memoirs of a Geisha and BBM (All 15 minutes of it - NOT the songs), and then come tell me which one is musically better.

Sure, BBM's score helps enhance Ang Lee's direction, in which he wanted to portray the characters as being extremely lonely and sad, but apart from the movie it's just not that interesting.

 

[torpid]

I found Memoirs of a Geisha's score to be really boring. More != better. Not saying that brokeback would have been my pick among ALL films, but among those nominated it was a pretty easy choice for me.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: torpid
So therefore you chose to make a cliff notes version that literally did not have any relationship to what characters actually said or thought but were kind of similar? If your point was valid then you should have been able to use things that were actually said in the film to prove your point, but you just made up stuff instead. There weren't even any Indians in the film to my knowledge.

Yes it's called parody and it is quite effective in ridiculing tripe such as Crash. The best part of parody being you don't have to accurately represent the subject you are making fun of, just the core concept across. Crash was shallow, contrived, and acted out by 2D characters. My parody was spot on.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: torpid
So therefore you chose to make a cliff notes version that literally did not have any relationship to what characters actually said or thought but were kind of similar? If your point was valid then you should have been able to use things that were actually said in the film to prove your point, but you just made up stuff instead. There weren't even any Indians in the film to my knowledge.

Yes it's called parody and it is quite effective in ridiculing tripe such as Crash. The best part of parody being you don't have to accurately represent the subject you are making fun of, just the core concept across. Crash was shallow, contrived, and acted out by 2D characters. My parody was spot on.

I'm glad you impressed yourself with it. That makes one person who was impressed.

 

[SaltBoy]

Originally posted by: torpid
I found Memoirs of a Geisha's score to be really boring. More != better. Not saying that brokeback would have been my pick among ALL films, but among those nominated it was a pretty easy choice for me.

Well, at least you seem like you know what you're talking about, so I won't easily dismiss your opinion. 😉

I admit the initial choices for best Score weren't the best, either, but the nominees in a particular Oscar category are chosen by their peers. In this case, we have only the composers to blame for the nominations! 🙂

 

[lokiju]

Crash sucked IMO.


I still can't understand why soooo many people think it's such a great movie.


It just took the same old tired racist themes and did a nicely filmed movie with them.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: lokiju
Crash sucked IMO.


I still can't understand why soooo many people think it's such a great movie.


It just took the same old tired racist themes and did a nicely filmed movie with them.

i agree, i had to watch it twice but my opinion is pretty much yours.

BBM didnt stand a chance for winning best picture, could you imagine the scandal of a gay film winning an oscar? I have not seen BBM but i will when i comes out on DVD.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I thought Crash was a bit heavy handed in its message, with a bit of LA self righteous extravagance and eliticism thrown in for good measure.

Any movie about racism that anchors its message on stereotypes is not really capturing the essence of racism...it is the unspoken prejudices that plague society, not overt racism.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: lokiju
Crash sucked IMO.


I still can't understand why soooo many people think it's such a great movie.


It just took the same old tired racist themes and did a nicely filmed movie with them.

i agree, i had to watch it twice but my opinion is pretty much yours.

BBM didnt stand a chance for winning best picture, could you imagine the scandal of a gay film winning an oscar? I have not seen BBM but i will when i comes out on DVD.

I understand the opinion about crash, but I think people are off the mark in assuming it thought it was addressing racism in a non-cliched way. I thought it was intentionally cliched.

As for BBM, what the heck are you talking about??? I don't know what qualifies as a "gay film" to you but I'm guessing that Midnight Cowboy would and that won best pic all the way back in 1969.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: lokiju
Crash sucked IMO.


I still can't understand why soooo many people think it's such a great movie.


It just took the same old tired racist themes and did a nicely filmed movie with them.

i agree, i had to watch it twice but my opinion is pretty much yours.

BBM didnt stand a chance for winning best picture, could you imagine the scandal of a gay film winning an oscar? I have not seen BBM but i will when i comes out on DVD.

I've been wanting to ask this questions and your response here is just as good as any to use as framework for my question.

Why do you want to see BBM? Because it is a 'gay film' or because you're genuinely interested in a movie about two cowboys who fall in love? Would you rush out to get the DVD if it were a movie about a man and woman who fell in love?

There's just nothing about the movie that I would want to watch if it were about man/woman and I'm not about to watch it just so I can be 'hip' or whatever you call it when you do something just to do so because it is perceived as 'enlightened'.

Not intended as an attack on the poster I replied to either.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: lokiju
Crash sucked IMO.


I still can't understand why soooo many people think it's such a great movie.


It just took the same old tired racist themes and did a nicely filmed movie with them.

i agree, i had to watch it twice but my opinion is pretty much yours.

BBM didnt stand a chance for winning best picture, could you imagine the scandal of a gay film winning an oscar? I have not seen BBM but i will when i comes out on DVD.

I've been wanting to ask this questions and your response here is just as good as any to use as framework for my question.

Why do you want to see BBM? Because it is a 'gay film' or because you're genuinely interested in a movie about two cowboys who fall in love? Would you rush out to get the DVD if it were a movie about a man and woman who fell in love?

There's just nothing about the movie that I would want to watch if it were about man/woman and I'm not about to watch it just so I can be 'hip' or whatever you call it when you do something just to do so because it is perceived as 'enlightened'.

Not intended as an attack on the poster I replied to either.

good question and no offence taken. I want to see it because i like watching a good story. i dont care if its cartoon, a action flick, drama, comedy or about two sheep cowboys who find their gayness. if its a good strory ill watch it and from what i hear this is a good story. im not looking to get enlightened or anything like that. I got to movies to experience something different, to enjoy being taken on a journey, to feel what the characters are feeling. I dont go to movies to find the inner meaning of what the director was trying to say, or the underlying message of why the protagonist turned left instead of right...

 

[Tom]

I'm just glad there are people hear who browse E! online regularly or I wouldn't have known about their Oscar website !

btw, omg has anyone bought a chicken sandwich at Arbys after seeing that Joan Rivers commercial ?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: dwell
Crash : Cliff Notes Version

Black Man: I am black. I hold no racial prejudice towards anyone despite the whole slavery thing or the fact that I cannot get a cab in this city for swat.

White Woman: I am white. I respect your opinions as a black man. I too harbor no racial prejudice. In fact, I own the new Jay-Z CD. Do you too own that album, sir?

Black Man: You cracker bitch! What do you think -- all black people do is sit around listening to rap all day?!? F*** you!

White Woman: No, f*** you Sambo! You're right, I hate all minorities! In fact everyone knows that racial harmony is an ultra-thin façade under which everyone is an evil, vile racist. F*** you I say!

Indian Store Clerk: Hey, please keep it down you two.

Black Man and White Woman (in unison): F*** you Bin Laden!

Uhh... did you actually see crash?

thats dead on. it was an infantile and simplistic take on race relations that was full of itself. it was convinced of its own profoundness which was totally underserved. the people that like it are a bit like white woman in line 2😛 they feel noble and enlightened for "liking" this piece of trash.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
thats dead on. it was an infantile and simplistic take on race relations that was full of itself. it was convinced of its own profoundness which was totally underserved. the people that like it are a bit like white woman in line 2😛 they feel noble and enlightened for "liking" this piece of trash.

The racism in the film was infantile, but it's not that infantile to presume that racists are actual people too and not just one-dimensional freaks like they are shown to be in most films. Also, a few of the characters were genuinely interesting at times. It would have been a lot better if it had just been about the characters and not about racism, that's for sure.

 

[Horus]

John Williams= God of Soundtracks. There is no competition.

Star Wars had a better soundtrack that BBM. that movie just SUCKED.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Horus
John Williams= God of Soundtracks. There is no competition.

Star Wars had a better soundtrack that BBM. that movie just SUCKED.

Eh? Star Wars was not nominated. Did you even see BBM? Even if you did what did the quality of the movie have to do with the quality of the soundtrack? Memoirs of a Geisha was a pile of horse feces but still deserved its nominations.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

man i watched last night just to see Crash lose...man was I dissappointed

I thought that movie was horrible possibly one of the worst movies I saw this year. I understand how some people could like it but I cant understand how anyone would think it was a great movie, no way will this movie ever stand up to the test of time

this is worse then Shakespeare in Love beating out Saving Private Ryan and Thin Red Line


one comment I heard someone say which I found funny was "Crash is like a suburbia's wet dream about what its like living in a city"

actually living in Los Angeles it is possibily the worst movie about LA I have ever seen

it gets me mad even thinking it was nominated

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
man i watched last night just to see Crash lose...man was I dissappointed

I thought that movie was horrible possibly one of the worst movies I saw this year. I understand how some people could like it but I cant understand how anyone would think it was a great movie, no way will this movie ever stand up to the test of time

this is worse then Shakespeare in Love beating out Saving Private Ryan and Thin Red Line


one comment I heard someone say which I found funny was "Crash is like a suburbia's wet dream about what its like living in a city"

actually living in Los Angeles it is possibily the worst movie about LA I have ever seen

it gets me mad even thinking it was nominated

Erm... are you saying Shakespeare in Love was a bad movie?? I agree that those other two movies were a lot better (and that Capote, Good night and good luck, and munich were a lot better than BBM or crash), but Shakespeare in Love was still a good movie.

If you want to talk about real head scratchers, explain to me how Gladiator, a generally bad movie, won over Traffic and Crouching Tiger.

 

[Kenazo]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Horus
John Williams= God of Soundtracks. There is no competition.

Star Wars had a better soundtrack that BBM. that movie just SUCKED.

Eh? Star Wars was not nominated. Did you even see BBM? Even if you did what did the quality of the movie have to do with the quality of the soundtrack? Memoirs of a Geisha was a pile of horse feces but still deserved its nominations.

StarWars was only nominated for makeup. at least it got a nod somewhere. 🙂