Tonight America should be proud!...

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: loki8481
every gay rights issue on the ballots across this country went down in flames.

I'm not especially proud of America today.

Why? Because a minority wanted their opinions over a majority?

IF THE MAJORITY WANTS TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST A GROUP IT'S NOT FAIR FOR THE MINORITY TO ASK THEM TO STOP.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: loki8481
every gay rights issue on the ballots across this country went down in flames.

I'm not especially proud of America today.

At least one good thing in the nation happened last night.

The whole "gay rights" thing is stupid. It is more putting gays on a higher level than straight people. People are people. If some want to be gay, that's their problem, but they can do so. But forcing people to like it is the issue.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: loki8481
every gay rights issue on the ballots across this country went down in flames.

I'm not especially proud of America today.

At least one good thing in the nation happened last night.

The whole "gay rights" thing is stupid. It is more putting gays on a higher level than straight people. People are people. If some want to be gay, that's their problem, but they can do so. But forcing people to like it is the issue.

Wait a minute, giving gay people the same rights as straight people is now putting them on a higher level? What moon logic is this?

Nobody's forcing you to like anything, the Constitution requires that the government not become an arm of your bigotry.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: loki8481
every gay rights issue on the ballots across this country went down in flames.

I'm not especially proud of America today.

Why? Because a minority wanted their opinions over a majority?

Nice. Way to impose your views on people.

That's what the gov't does every day of the year. Welcome to reality - enjoy your stay.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: loki8481
every gay rights issue on the ballots across this country went down in flames.

I'm not especially proud of America today.

At least one good thing in the nation happened last night.

The whole "gay rights" thing is stupid. It is more putting gays on a higher level than straight people. People are people. If some want to be gay, that's their problem, but they can do so. But forcing people to like it is the issue.

Bullshit. It is putting gay couples on the SAME level as straight couples.

Nobody is forcing you to like it. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: loki8481
every gay rights issue on the ballots across this country went down in flames.

I'm not especially proud of America today.

At least one good thing in the nation happened last night.

The whole "gay rights" thing is stupid. It is more putting gays on a higher level than straight people. People are people. If some want to be gay, that's their problem, but they can do so. But forcing people to like it is the issue.

Wait a minute, giving gay people the same rights as straight people is now putting them on a higher level? What moon logic is this?

Nobody's forcing you to like anything, the Constitution requires that the government not become an arm of your bigotry.

Are you talking federal or state constitution? I have no problem with gay marriage, but I don't think it's protected by the US Constitution either.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: loki8481
every gay rights issue on the ballots across this country went down in flames.

I'm not especially proud of America today.

At least one good thing in the nation happened last night.

The whole "gay rights" thing is stupid. It is more putting gays on a higher level than straight people. People are people. If some want to be gay, that's their problem, but they can do so. But forcing people to like it is the issue.

Wait a minute, giving gay people the same rights as straight people is now putting them on a higher level? What moon logic is this?

Nobody's forcing you to like anything, the Constitution requires that the government not become an arm of your bigotry.

They are at the same level as everyone else, right now. They are treated as people, just like everyone else. What has been happening is they are trying to shove our faces in it, and that is what I have a problem with.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: loki8481
every gay rights issue on the ballots across this country went down in flames.

I'm not especially proud of America today.

At least one good thing in the nation happened last night.

The whole "gay rights" thing is stupid. It is more putting gays on a higher level than straight people. People are people. If some want to be gay, that's their problem, but they can do so. But forcing people to like it is the issue.

Wait a minute, giving gay people the same rights as straight people is now putting them on a higher level? What moon logic is this?

Nobody's forcing you to like anything, the Constitution requires that the government not become an arm of your bigotry.

They are at the same level as everyone else, right now. They are treated as people, just like everyone else. What has been happening is they are trying to shove our faces in it, and that is what I have a problem with.

Shove your face in what? Are they making you get gay-married? Are they making you come to the wedding? They are quite obviously not on the same level as you. You are allowed to marry someone of the gender that you are sexually attracted to. They are not. It was obviously discrimination, which is why these groups needed a constitutional amendment.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: loki8481
every gay rights issue on the ballots across this country went down in flames.

I'm not especially proud of America today.

At least one good thing in the nation happened last night.

The whole "gay rights" thing is stupid. It is more putting gays on a higher level than straight people. People are people. If some want to be gay, that's their problem, but they can do so. But forcing people to like it is the issue.

Wait a minute, giving gay people the same rights as straight people is now putting them on a higher level? What moon logic is this?

Nobody's forcing you to like anything, the Constitution requires that the government not become an arm of your bigotry.

They are at the same level as everyone else, right now. They are treated as people, just like everyone else. What has been happening is they are trying to shove our faces in it, and that is what I have a problem with.

Nope

 

[Hulk]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Goodbye choice of my doctor, been nice knowing you
Goodbye freedom of speech, been nice knowing you
Goodbye 2nd Amendment, been nice knowing you
Goodbye paycheck, been nice knowing you
Goodbye cheap electricity, been nice knowing you

Hello 4 years of hell

:frown:

Yeah if that's all it was it wouldn't be so bad.


You can add...

Goodbye no terrorist attacks in 7 years, been nice knowing you
Goodbye courts that judge, now they'll legislate, been nice knowing you


The Socialists/Communists finally have a man on the inside and of course the rest of the world is cheering. When you can beat 'em you try to ruin their team.

Whatever, we'll survive and get another Reagan just like we did after Carter's disaster.

We can usually withstand 4 years of bad Democratic leadership after the Republicans have fixed things. Clinton floated through for 8 years on the strength that Reagan/Bush 41 left behind. Bush 43 has held this country together with no terrorist attacks in 7 years and a solid economy despite the Dems ruining the mortgage industry by forcing banks to make loans to unqualified people while screaming "everyone should have a house." They don't care about putting businesses out of business because most of them have never worked much less ran a business. But things will be worse in a year or two, then the last two years we'll have a "misery index" like we did with Carter. Barrack will practically be thrown out of office by those who voted him in! Mark my words on that. I'm worried that Barrack will set back the ability for another person of race to gain office for another 100 years and that someone of race who IS qualified will be unable to get elected because they'll remember that other unqualified guy that "fooled them all."

Scary how the forces behind Obama that pull his strings could manipulate the country so easily. But fear not as all will be revealed soon enough...

Bring the pain to the masses Obama!!! I can't wait.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Hulk

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Goodbye choice of my doctor, been nice knowing you
Goodbye freedom of speech, been nice knowing you
Goodbye 2nd Amendment, been nice knowing you
Goodbye paycheck, been nice knowing you
Goodbye cheap electricity, been nice knowing you

Hello 4 years of hell

:frown:

Yeah if that's all it was it wouldn't be so bad.


You can add...

Goodbye no terrorist attacks in 7 years, been nice knowing you
Goodbye courts that judge, now they'll legislate, been nice knowing you


The Socialists/Communists finally have a man on the inside and of course the rest of the world is cheering. When you can beat 'em you try to ruin their team.

Whatever, we'll survive and get another Reagan just like we did after Carter's disaster.

We can usually withstand 4 years of bad Democratic leadership after the Republicans have fixed things. Clinton floated through for 8 years on the strength that Reagan/Bush 41 left behind. Bush 43 has held this country together with no terrorist attacks in 7 years and a solid economy despite the Dems reuning the mortgage industry. But things will be worse in a year or two, then the last two years we'll have a "misery index" like we did with Carter. Barrack will practically be thrown out of office by those who voted him in! Mark my words on that.

marked

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Hulk

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Goodbye choice of my doctor, been nice knowing you
Goodbye freedom of speech, been nice knowing you
Goodbye 2nd Amendment, been nice knowing you
Goodbye paycheck, been nice knowing you
Goodbye cheap electricity, been nice knowing you

Hello 4 years of hell

:frown:

Yeah if that's all it was it wouldn't be so bad.


You can add...

Goodbye no terrorist attacks in 7 years, been nice knowing you
Goodbye courts that judge, now they'll legislate, been nice knowing you


The Socialists/Communists finally have a man on the inside and of course the rest of the world is cheering. When you can beat 'em you try to ruin their team.

Whatever, we'll survive and get another Reagan just like we did after Carter's disaster.

We can usually withstand 4 years of bad Democratic leadership after the Republicans have fixed things. Clinton floated through for 8 years on the strength that Reagan/Bush 41 left behind. Bush 43 has held this country together with no terrorist attacks in 7 years and a solid economy despite the Dems ruining the mortgage industry by forcing banks to make loans to unqualified people while screaming "everyone should have a house." They don't care about putting businesses out of business because most of them have never worked much less ran a business. But things will be worse in a year or two, then the last two years we'll have a "misery index" like we did with Carter. Barrack will practically be thrown out of office by those who voted him in! Mark my words on that. I'm worried that Barrack will set back the ability for another person of race to gain office for another 100 years and that someone of race who IS qualified will be unable to get elected because they'll remember that other unqualified guy that "fooled them all."

Scary how the forces behind Obama that pull his strings could manipulate the country so easily. But fear not as all will be revealed soon enough...

Bring the pain to the masses Obama!!! I can't wait.

You people are insane.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Hulk

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Goodbye choice of my doctor, been nice knowing you
Goodbye freedom of speech, been nice knowing you
Goodbye 2nd Amendment, been nice knowing you
Goodbye paycheck, been nice knowing you
Goodbye cheap electricity, been nice knowing you

Hello 4 years of hell

:frown:

Yeah if that's all it was it wouldn't be so bad.


You can add...

Goodbye no terrorist attacks in 7 years, been nice knowing you
Goodbye courts that judge, now they'll legislate, been nice knowing you


The Socialists/Communists finally have a man on the inside and of course the rest of the world is cheering. When you can beat 'em you try to ruin their team.

Whatever, we'll survive and get another Reagan just like we did after Carter's disaster.

We can usually withstand 4 years of bad Democratic leadership after the Republicans have fixed things. Clinton floated through for 8 years on the strength that Reagan/Bush 41 left behind. Bush 43 has held this country together with no terrorist attacks in 7 years and a solid economy despite the Dems ruining the mortgage industry by forcing banks to make loans to unqualified people while screaming "everyone should have a house." They don't care about putting businesses out of business because most of them have never worked much less ran a business. But things will be worse in a year or two, then the last two years we'll have a "misery index" like we did with Carter. Barrack will practically be thrown out of office by those who voted him in! Mark my words on that. I'm worried that Barrack will set back the ability for another person of race to gain office for another 100 years and that someone of race who IS qualified will be unable to get elected because they'll remember that other unqualified guy that "fooled them all."

Scary how the forces behind Obama that pull his strings could manipulate the country so easily. But fear not as all will be revealed soon enough...

Bring the pain to the masses Obama!!! I can't wait.

You people are insane.

Seconded. Pretty damn pitiful stuff.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
And yet, he will always be remembered first for a genetic accident and not for any actual achievements. The achievements will, in the minds of the vast majority, be a footnote to his race. This is quite sad.

ZV

You don't know that. It depends on what happens the next 4 years. At the very least he'll have that distinction.

You're right, I don't know it. But statistically, it's a pretty good bet. How many school children really know what Abe Lincoln's political platform was? Woodrow Wilson's? George Washington's? Sure, scholars know, but to the average person on the street Lincoln is only known for the Civil War, Wilson is only known for WWI, and Washington is only known for being the first.

ZV

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Hulk

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Goodbye choice of my doctor, been nice knowing you
Goodbye freedom of speech, been nice knowing you
Goodbye 2nd Amendment, been nice knowing you
Goodbye paycheck, been nice knowing you
Goodbye cheap electricity, been nice knowing you

Hello 4 years of hell

:frown:

Yeah if that's all it was it wouldn't be so bad.


You can add...

Goodbye no terrorist attacks in 7 years, been nice knowing you
Goodbye courts that judge, now they'll legislate, been nice knowing you


The Socialists/Communists finally have a man on the inside and of course the rest of the world is cheering. When you can beat 'em you try to ruin their team.

Whatever, we'll survive and get another Reagan just like we did after Carter's disaster.

We can usually withstand 4 years of bad Democratic leadership after the Republicans have fixed things. Clinton floated through for 8 years on the strength that Reagan/Bush 41 left behind. Bush 43 has held this country together with no terrorist attacks in 7 years and a solid economy despite the Dems ruining the mortgage industry by forcing banks to make loans to unqualified people while screaming "everyone should have a house." They don't care about putting businesses out of business because most of them have never worked much less ran a business. But things will be worse in a year or two, then the last two years we'll have a "misery index" like we did with Carter. Barrack will practically be thrown out of office by those who voted him in! Mark my words on that. I'm worried that Barrack will set back the ability for another person of race to gain office for another 100 years and that someone of race who IS qualified will be unable to get elected because they'll remember that other unqualified guy that "fooled them all."

Scary how the forces behind Obama that pull his strings could manipulate the country so easily. But fear not as all will be revealed soon enough...

Bring the pain to the masses Obama!!! I can't wait.

You people are insane.

Not regular.....batshit.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Locut0s
I'm saying this as a Canadian.

Whatever else the future may hold tonight America has finally stood up to 8 years of hellish governance that has greatly damaged the world. Tonight America has made an historic choice, the first African American president in the history of the country and in fact one of the few in the history of western civilization. This is a moment for us all to be proud. Whatever else may come America has now crossed a line it can not back track over. No more will we wonder if a "black man could ever win the presidency". Once this precedent has been set it's there for good in the history books for all to see. There is undoubtedly much work to do and the important question of how good a leader Obama will ultimately really be has yet to be answered (no mater the calibre of the contender few presidents have been faced with as dire a situation). But whatever the answer to these questions turn out to be history has been made tonight and we should all be very proud.

I was very proud of America's response to 9/11, but dismayed at GWB's reelection in 2004. America had had plenty of time to assess the failure of his administration and I as well as many many others were forced to doubt the electorate, the very efficacy of America. The 2008 presidential election outcome has been a momentous and heartening event. It promises to be transformative. A new era is in the offing.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
You know, I really question the "America should be proud" comments and the "this is an historic moment" comments. I mean, let's look at what really happened:

What happened was the landslide victory of a Democratic candidate from a city renowned for creating strong politicians at a time when there is overwhelming disgust with the incumbent and when the incumbent's party is directionless and fragmented. Frankly, in this election, the Democratic party ought to have been able to put a head of cabbage up as their candidate and still manage a victory. No-one in his or her right mind would have thought that there was any significant chance of a Republican victory regardless of candidates.

What, then, makes this "historic"? What makes it a "great event"? Obama is educated, intelligent, and has an exceptional presence in public. He is the sort of candidate that is an obvious choice and an obvious winner. There is nothing new or unusual about Obama's policies; his platform is solidly Democratic. His voting record shows no more real attempts at bipartisanship than any other politician's does. In every way, Obama is a typical Democratic candidate. He is an extremely good typical Democratic candidate, but policy-wise he is little different from Clinton, Carter, or Johnson. So why is this historic?

It's not.

I am interested to see how Obama fares. I think he has the ability to do quite well and I hope that he is able to take advantage of his potential, but I hardly think that this is an historic event.

By and large, the people who are calling this "historic" are middle-class white folks who want to be able to pat themselves on the back and use this as reassurance that they really aren't prejudiced because, after all, they just elected an African American to the Presidency.

ZV

Why do you hate America?

What the hell...?

Can you re-phrase that into something that at least comes within shouting distance of making sense? Perhaps an actual academic response to the legitimate points that I've brought up?

ZV

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: mooseracing
It's not really a great day. 96% of the black vote was for Obama, nearly all the black people that voted said they were happy to finally be able to vote black. By Obamas handout plans the country is going to get into an even larger deficit.

This election showed how racist the races that are complaing aout equal rights are.

My friend, the fact of blacks voting for Obama is not racist. Do you know what racism is? Look into it. Can you imagine what it's been like for black Americans? They have looked at the political leadership at the top in this country and seen a white man far longer than anyone can remember (the entire history of the country). They didn't dare hope that they'd ever see anything but a white man there. I don't fault 96% of them for voting for Obama. I'm only wondering why the other 4% didn't, to be frank with you.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Onceler
I think a lot of people voted for him becuase he was black.I know a lot who did.They ignored his anti american stances just so we could get a black president.

Man, what did you swallow? Stick your finger down your throat.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: AmigaMan
all of you who are saying racism hasn't changed one bit in America because black people voted for a black president just think about this. Black people are still a minority. Obama could not have been elected president if whites, asians, hispanics and other hadn't voted for him. If you ask me, America spoke out last night and it culminated in the shedding of a very racist past. Sure we're not completely there yet, but it's happening...change is happening.

Good point.

Yes, and change has been happening. This didn't happen overnight. This election is a catalyzing event. "Yes we can." That's the mantra. Ditch your cynicism.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: rdubbz420
as a person of mixed races, I find it a little offensive no one mentions Obama as half/black-white. just black or african-american, like being part white's a bad thing.

Yep, it's weird how having a lot of African blood makes you "black" in America. When will we see a US president who has 90+% African blood? It's not so unimaginable now. This reaches way beyond America. Racism has been dealt a staggering blow all over the planet. Sort of like Joe Louis knocking out Max Schmeling in their 1938 rematch. Well, this is far more momentous! What happened in the ring was big, momentous, but this is a whole different level. I say hooray, let's create a brand new day.

 

[tealk]

I am not proud at all...I am ashamed.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: microbial
The election is historic. But it's only a step on the road to progress.

BTW, I'm white and I voted for BO because he was was the more intelligent candidate. I'm tired of below-average intellects as top administrators. We need people who have above average minds leading us.

This is a big blow in the elemental and epic fight against one of the most dangerous trends in America, its anti-intellectualism. What's wrong with having brains, people?

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
bush wasn't THAT bad...

It's almost moot. The country's screwed up pretty bad right now. The blame game isn't gonna help a lot. Blame Bush, blame his policy makers, his appointees, what's it matter? They are gonna be swept aside in the months to come. Hope and work for a better today and tomorrow.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Muse
"Yes we can." That's the mantra. Ditch your cynicism.

Why? Give me one good explanation as to how Obama is significantly different from any other Democratic politician in terms of policy, voting record, or any other concrete political measure.

ZV