For your average gamer type who may not have a 450W+ PSU, the attraction will lend itself to ATI. Keep in mind that many people will still have to factor into the price of purchase the cost of getting a better PSU, and starting at ~$70 for a cheap 450W that takes a $299 card to $369. In terms of priceerformance for those of us who would have to upgrade, it's really a no brainer that ATI will win every time.
I grow tired of the avg ignorant continuing to spew the 450W PS BS. Many reviews did fine with a 350 watt PS and anybody should be just fine with a 430 Watt.
No, did you not read the HardOCP section on Temporal AA? To say this is simply an R9800 core with faster ram and double the pipes is a bit of an understatement, but your trivialization can be viewed both ways. Doesn't it say something about the longevity of the core if (as according to you) it can be simply doubled in everything and still compete with NV's latest offering?
You do realize people were doing this with the 9800s just last week?
Just because Dell overall sells mostly integrated graphics to business, doesn't mean that he personally as a salesman isn't selling more high-end home machines.
Think the point is the X800 wont be the top volume card the kid was trying to portray it as.
I grow tired of the avg ignorant continuing to spew the 450W PS BS. Many reviews did fine with a 350 watt PS and anybody should be just fine with a 430 Watt.
No, did you not read the HardOCP section on Temporal AA? To say this is simply an R9800 core with faster ram and double the pipes is a bit of an understatement, but your trivialization can be viewed both ways. Doesn't it say something about the longevity of the core if (as according to you) it can be simply doubled in everything and still compete with NV's latest offering?
You do realize people were doing this with the 9800s just last week?
Just because Dell overall sells mostly integrated graphics to business, doesn't mean that he personally as a salesman isn't selling more high-end home machines.
Think the point is the X800 wont be the top volume card the kid was trying to portray it as.
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I'm going to ask what "quad channel" GDDR3 is again since we now know it's not a typo. It's on ATI's site. Is it really quad channel like DCDDR is dual channel? Is it just normal for GDDR3? If so, why doesn't NV call theirs quad channel?
Quad channel, it sounds really fast.
Quad channel, it sounds really fast.
Originally posted by: chsh1ca
Nah, that's not true, I know plenty of gamer types who have dell rigs, for one overriding reason. Parents who buy their kids computers generally just ask their kid to price out a Dell or IBM. Unfortunately, I'm not fortunate enough to have parents with that much cash kicking around.
Sheez, I WISH people still bought me things. Kids who have parents that will buy them PCs have no clue how lucky they are. Those of us out here in the real world have to buy our own machines and lemme tell ya - you get a whole knew level of appreciation for DYI.
It is a crossbar memory controller. NV and ATI have been using something similar since I think the Geforce256 and R100.
Originally posted by: Insomniak
Originally posted by: chsh1ca
Nah, that's not true, I know plenty of gamer types who have dell rigs, for one overriding reason. Parents who buy their kids computers generally just ask their kid to price out a Dell or IBM. Unfortunately, I'm not fortunate enough to have parents with that much cash kicking around.
Sheez, I WISH people still bought me things. Kids who have parents that will buy them PCs have no clue how lucky they are. Those of us out here in the real world have to buy our own machines and lemme tell ya - you get a whole knew level of appreciation for DYI.
DIY is the only way to go to maximise performance. if you built your own and spent time optimizing it, you forget all about the pre-made systems that are inefficient and overpriced.
Your n00b is showing.
The feature set the Nvidia cards support won't be IN games until after this generation is obsolete.
Nvidia hasn't offered 'better' driver stability for quite some time.
Canadian? and that matters why?
The price / performance crown will most likely be for the X800 pro
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Hmmmm....I wonder why they don't call it quad channel on any of their other cards then? It's a great marketing term. I would think they would have used it if they could have on earlier cards. Strange.
I have heard of the cross bar memory controller before and I vaguely remember talk of QC rambus way back when.
I have heard of the cross bar memory controller before and I vaguely remember talk of QC rambus way back when.
And when I experience crashes what is the first thing they will tell me I need to do? Sorry, maybe you like running hardware subspec from what the vendor says it needs, but I don't think that leads to a stable machine. Should I undervolt my processor because "it will run [most of the time] at 1.5V instead of 1.65V?"
I think his point was that in his experience they aren't exactly selling as few high-end cards as you guys seem to be overstating.
Tell me about it.
They said it was the better card, because it is.
I dont understand why people claim NV cards overclock better. From the reviews so far, they havent overclocked well at all. Neither has the ATi cards from the early previews.
How does NV have a better price/performance ratio? They are the same price, and the ATi card generally performs better.
Better drivers? Obviously someone who hasnt used an ATi recently. Hows about them Farcry bugs? That argument is old and not valid anymore. Both cards have good drivers, its a non-issue.
Complaining that the clock rate doesnt give ATi a huge boost is ignorant. Its a different design. How about the last gen, when NV had the huge Mhz advantage, but wasnt faster? Was that different some how? Seems hypocritical to me.
Saying the X800XT is just two R300's slapped together is probably one of the funniest posts Ive read on here. These forums are home to a lot of uneducated people.
I dont understand why people claim NV cards overclock better. From the reviews so far, they havent overclocked well at all. Neither has the ATi cards from the early previews.
How does NV have a better price/performance ratio? They are the same price, and the ATi card generally performs better.
Better drivers? Obviously someone who hasnt used an ATi recently. Hows about them Farcry bugs? That argument is old and not valid anymore. Both cards have good drivers, its a non-issue.
Complaining that the clock rate doesnt give ATi a huge boost is ignorant. Its a different design. How about the last gen, when NV had the huge Mhz advantage, but wasnt faster? Was that different some how? Seems hypocritical to me.
Saying the X800XT is just two R300's slapped together is probably one of the funniest posts Ive read on here. These forums are home to a lot of uneducated people.
Originally posted by: crsgardner
I like that one. Good reason for not buying from a company.
Actually, that's not a bad reason to buy nVidia:
1. I could care less who's working in Canada, and who's not. I want nVidia to be successful and employ people here.
2. nVidia is a publicly traded company here, their success earns American stock holders money, and is a piece of the overall tech market picture.
3. nVidia pays taxes here that help their state, where they could use the money.
Know what I get if I buy an ATI card? All of the above, for Canada and what looks to be a marginally better video card.
Like I said, to me at least, the porosperity of Canadians is secondary to the prosperity of Americans, and if the cards are fairly equal in performance, I might buy nVidia based just to support U.S. industry.
How about ATi breaking NWN again.
How about that AA in Battlefield Vietnam.
How about the FX5200 64bit outpacing the 9800XT in horizons.
How about the crash bugs in planetside.
How about the crash bugs in NFS:U.
How about the problems in KOTOR.
How about the crash bugs in Call of Duty AGAIN!
Just because you can get all the games working fine with the driver juggle doesnt mean that ATi makes good drivers.
How about that AA in Battlefield Vietnam.
How about the FX5200 64bit outpacing the 9800XT in horizons.
How about the crash bugs in planetside.
How about the crash bugs in NFS:U.
How about the problems in KOTOR.
How about the crash bugs in Call of Duty AGAIN!
Just because you can get all the games working fine with the driver juggle doesnt mean that ATi makes good drivers.
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Better drivers? Obviously someone who hasnt used an ATi recently. Hows about them Farcry bugs? That argument is old and not valid anymore. Both cards have good drivers, its a non-issue.
Covered in my last post. Edit: and youre even more of an idiot for spouting off about unofficial nvidia drivers... The 56.72 drivers are the latest offical. The drivers you speak of arent even WHQL certified.
Complaining that the clock rate doesnt give ATi a huge boost is ignorant. Its a different design. How about the last gen, when NV had the huge Mhz advantage, but wasnt faster? Was that different some how? Seems hypocritical to me.
Hypocritical? This time the cards are evenly matched, not 4x2 vs 8x1. They have the same number of Pixel and Vertex shading units, the same number of pipes, the same type of memory and even the same brand.
Saying the X800XT is just two R300's slapped together is probably one of the funniest posts Ive read on here. These forums are home to a lot of uneducated people.
And the new features are?
Better drivers? Obviously someone who hasnt used an ATi recently. Hows about them Farcry bugs? That argument is old and not valid anymore. Both cards have good drivers, its a non-issue.
Covered in my last post. Edit: and youre even more of an idiot for spouting off about unofficial nvidia drivers... The 56.72 drivers are the latest offical. The drivers you speak of arent even WHQL certified.
Complaining that the clock rate doesnt give ATi a huge boost is ignorant. Its a different design. How about the last gen, when NV had the huge Mhz advantage, but wasnt faster? Was that different some how? Seems hypocritical to me.
Hypocritical? This time the cards are evenly matched, not 4x2 vs 8x1. They have the same number of Pixel and Vertex shading units, the same number of pipes, the same type of memory and even the same brand.
Saying the X800XT is just two R300's slapped together is probably one of the funniest posts Ive read on here. These forums are home to a lot of uneducated people.
And the new features are?
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ooo look at you... aren't you just a big fat juicy brain... :disgust: can i poke you with a stick?
Its not 5000 more features, its not even 1 more feature that wasnt already on the 9800XT core, they just doubled everything, shrank the die, slapped on faster memory and re-released it.
Im not saying it didnt work, they obviously created a very competitive card, and they dont have to rewrite the drivers. So it could be a good move.
But that is EXACTLY what it is.
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