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Tom's Harware finally hits rock bottom

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Keep in mind that WD doesn't make SCSI drives while IBM and Seagate do. I doubt they would market IDE drives that eat into that market.
 
Watch out guys, intim will come in and set you all straight about the WD1200JB w/ 8MB cache. 😉

I see the reviewer failed to use a 120GXP, and instead opted for the 60GXP.

 
Tom's has been getting worse and worse with their articles. They are usually written well, technically, but the conclusion is like a hypothesis, because it rarely matches the results.

I still prefer his numbers to anand's, and their articles. Lately anand's articles have been less then useless.
 


<< Lately anand's articles have been less then useless. >>


Agreed. Remember the KT7A review? Now THAT was a review. Now we get McReview "Roundups". That's in between the console articles and 87 articles on why the Radeon 8500 sucks.
 
<<I still prefer his numbers to anand's, and their articles. Lately anand's articles have been less then useless.>>

What do you find particularly useless about them?
 
No detail, too short, too infrequent...not good considering the site only reviews mobos, CPUs, and video cards. Too much fluff. Do I care about phoneline networking, the Gamecube, or 1U cooling? No. Plus errors have started to creep in, and that was never the case until recently. And someone needs to inform Brandon Hill that just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean it's news.
 


<< No detail, too short, too infrequent...not good considering the site only reviews mobos, CPUs, and video cards. Too much fluff. Do I care about phoneline networking, the Gamecube, or 1U cooling? No. Plus errors have started to creep in, and that was never the case until recently. And someone needs to inform Brandon Hill that just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean it's news. >>


EXCUSE ME!!!???

If you think that I just post news/reviews from some crackhead's website, then you're sorely mistaken.
 
What I mean is it's irresponsible to simply paste headlines and call them news without verification or even a tiny bit of research. You once posted "news" regarding the nForce being in serious trouble. 30 seconds of looking would have revealed the "news" came from a day trading forum. And yet, there it was on Anandtech..."nForce flawed and will be delayed!" Of course it was debunked in about 2 hours.
 
Thats kind of a low blow against our Ace Reporter. Most of the stuff he and Godspeed bring in is stuff that I really like to read and know and is completely new to me. Maybe your the kind of person that likes to surf all the tech news sites, but I don't (most of it is hype anyway). I pretty much rely on our crack team of reporters to keep me up to date. Tom's is entertaining reading, not always right, but entertaining none the less.


Remember that old saying, "Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you read".
 


<< If you've got a problem with me, I'm right here buddy >>


Other than your unholy praise of Shuttle, I have no issue with you personally. Well I don't know you personally, but I'm sure if I did I'd find you most agreeable. I'm just trying to offer some constructive criticism on the site as a whole.
 


<< What I mean is it's irresponsible to simply paste headlines and call them news without verification or even a tiny bit of research. You once posted "news" regarding the nForce being in serious trouble. 30 seconds of looking would have revealed the "news" came from a day trading forum. And yet, there it was on Anandtech..."nForce flawed and will be delayed!" Of course it was debunked in about 2 hours. >>


I'm not saying that I'm perfect (Lord knows that I'm not), but I don't think that's reason to debunk everything I post.

I know it's easy to sit here and criticize websites without having any first hand knowledge of what's going on, but it just doesn't work that way.
 
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I'm referring to this. I like to think that if you knew it came from RagingBull it would never have appeared here. It's true that I hold this site to a higher standard, maybe that's my problem.
 
Cmon jaeger66, Brandon rarely makes mistakes. He posts up to date, informative, and reliable news the vast majority of the time. I haven't seen this supposed "nForce is flawed" news post, but even so, how can you call him "irresponsible" for a minor mistake like that, especially since it was corrected fairly quickly.

And I believe the problems with nForce's APU at the beginning of it's way overdue debut was a lack of EAX support (5.1 sound functionally broken) and a few other things, which were fixed a month or two ago.
 


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I'm referring to this. I like to think that if you knew it came from RagingBull it would never have appeared here. It's true that I hold this site to a higher standard, maybe that's my problem. >>


That coming from x-bit technologies. We have always held x-bit with high regard over here. They have great reviews (with their companion site Digit-Life) and provide us with great information. They are the ones that leaked us successful information on the GF2 GTS as well as the GF3. They are always on top of news from around the world (they even broke the Elsa bankruptcy story recently).

And in case you didn't know, I posted retraction the next day stating my error.. Like I said, we all make mistakes.

That being said, I had every confidence in them with that news article. Like I said, I'm not perfect, but I don't think that you can call an instance like that reason for dismissing anything posted on Anandtech.
 


<< Text
I'm referring to this. I like to think that if you knew it came from RagingBull it would never have appeared here. It's true that I hold this site to a higher standard, maybe that's my problem. >>

What? You're basing this off a news posts over 9 months old!?!?
 


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I'm referring to this. I like to think that if you knew it came from RagingBull it would never have appeared here. It's true that I hold this site to a higher standard, maybe that's my problem. >>

What? You're basing this off a news posts over 9 months old!?!? >>


See my post above Agodspeed. I even posted a retraction the next day over my error. It's not like I was meaning to mislead anyone. Oh well, you can't please everyone🙁
 
Yes, most of the time Brandon is reliable. But every now and then I see wild rumors passed off as news. Not often, but it does happen. As I said in my previous post, I hold this site to a higher standard-a standard set by Anand, Brandon, Andy, and the rest. I'm sorry if I seem too critical.
 


<< And how about the shocking conclusion that a 1.86 GHz Athlon can't quite keep up with a 3 GHz P4? Or the sad attempts to boost that RAMBUS stock, the fraudulent Quantum LM review, or the idea that a Logitech dual optical is reasonable at $50 but the MS Optical is expensive at $20, or the mislabled graphs, complete lack of editing, brain dead reviewers...they probably sit around in their Official Tom's Hardware jumpsuits smearing oatmeal on their faces trying to remember how to tie their shoes. And what's with that Omid Rahmat guy? I've never read such incoherent drivel. He thinks every line is some sort of joke, unfortuantely humor is something that obviously never developed in whatever the hell country he's from. It's excruciating.

Deep breaths...
 >>




Isn't that a little too much and just mirroring what they are presumbly doing? ...... driveling?
 
I'm not dismissing everything! I used that as an example because I remember it the best. I realize that with the sheer amount of news posted that some things will slip through the cracks. My whole point in all of this is that was not always the case when the volume was lower.
 


<< Isn't that a little too much and just mirroring what they are presumbly doing? ...... driveling? >>


No, it's called ranting and raving. If I was mirroring Tom's I'd insert some upside-down charts and a dead link or two.
 
I haven't seen anything other than just a standard review out of anandtech, and anything else they try to do seems to be done awfully. Remembering one of the IQ test for the radeon with smoothvision, that was awful.

I'd like to see the time to write articles on something useful. I couldn't give a damn about the athlon XP 2100+ when it is released, it isn't hard to imagine the numbers on it. But I guarantee you, there will be a 10 page article on it, of course all the useful articles that were promised before won't be delivered because a frequency increase is just too important. Motherboard round ups are always nice, its about the only thing this site has produced that is interesting in a long time.
 
I read in Maximum PC as well that this WD drive outperforms SCSI, and it beats the 15K RPM Seagate Cheetah. The price is 6x less for the hdd (WD), not to mention the controller, and the drive is just as fast if not faster in the speed tests... sweet deal !
 


<< read in Maximum PC as well that this WD drive outperforms SCSI, and it beats the 15K RPM Seagate Cheetah >>


Oh dear. That article is 100% wrong. There is no way in hell a 7200 RPM IDE drive beats a 15,000 RPM SCSI drive in anything. Go to www.storagereview.com, do a head-to-head in the database, and watch the carnage.

What is it with these sites? It's like there's some unwritten law that you can't have more than a 5th grade education level to do a review.
 
"The new Testbed does not include some benchmarks done on fairly recent
drives. Otherwise you'd have to include my Quantum Atlas 10k II in
that group, and probably have to match the WD against a couple of other
drives for a more valid head-to-head analysis."

There is no drive not in the new test bed that would have benchmarked faster than the WDJB. The Maxtor 10KII runs neck and neck with the Cheetah 73LP which was tested in the new testbed and was about 15% slower than WDJB.

"if you are going to make a claim like that article did,
then you had better back it up by actually showing/explaining what
they mean in terms of other drives that they think it is competing with."

The WDJB benchmarked better than every drive they have tested. For whatever reason they didn't publish any of the SCSI results from their other articles for easy comparison in this review. But if you go back and look their own articles back up that claim.

"I haven't seen anything other than just a standard review out of anandtech, and anything else they try to do seems to be done awfully. Remembering one of the IQ test for the radeon with smoothvision, that was awful."

Ditto, I've thought this myself for quite a while.
 
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