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Under normal circumstances I would agree but you have got to remember The P4 is a very very complicated Cpu . Going to shorter pipes and a less complicated arch.

The P4 is not going anywhere... it's dead. There will be no more Pentium 4's ever made.

I just don't think Amd has the expertise.

You're obviously insane, but I'll respond to the rest of your crap anyway.

I really believe that this is going to be easy for intel to pull this off. Why do I believe this because of the experience they gained from the P4 Arch.

Intel doesn't have anythign to pull off. The Yonah is based on the Dothan design. They're not reinventing the wheel.

Why hasn't Amd come out with Hyper threading its not the shorter pipes because intel is going to release it on the short pipe next gen. cpu .

If you think AMD hasn't considered hyperthreading, aka SMT, you're insane, just as I suspected. Intel uses Hyper Threading as a method of hiding memory latency (including the cache). As a bonus, they seem to have bypassed the pitfalls of the Windows scheduler (can been seen by changing the priority of the process in the Task Manager and having no effect on a P4 with HT), since P4's without HT or with HT disabled, and Athlon 64's all rely on Windows to properly schedule tasks. It's been shown by AnandTech, and again by THG that the Windows scheduler is inefficient when dealing with many tasks.

Even though the P4 ran out of steam Intel learned much from this Cpu So going from P4 to a much easier arch .

Ok, maybe you're not insane, just ignorant. The Dothan architecture is no "easier" than the Pentium 4/Netburst architecture.

ya i believe its all over in 2006 but time well tell.

Your prediction is based on what? Explain WHY you think that? Give facts to support your views.

I'm all for discussion, but your opinion is based on hype.
 
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Actually, the pentium for will continue production even after Merom debuts.

There will be a 65nm version of netburst.

Netburst will continue... the "Pentium 4" will not. The name is dead.
 
Gack, what a textbook troll. Claims that Intel is in the lead because... of a CPU not even released yet, while pretending AMD won't be offering new products. Comparing overclocked Intel products to non-overclocked AMD ones. Claiming that review sites can be deemed fair, but only if they declare Intel the winner. Pathetic.

Intelia, you just don't get it: You've got to be honest about such things if you want anyone to take you seriously, and if you truly want to help out fellow enthusiasts. For now, AMD is the overall leader in performance and price/performance. Intel has niche areas it excels though. Your inability to recognize facts, and further to distort them with wishful thinking for the future and apples-to-oranges comparisons reveal you to have zero credibility. I'm sure AMD's support for built-in mem controller, dual core and 64-bit get zero praise from you. In fact, those were probably awful technologies ... until Intel adopted them. I'm sure AMD's current crushing of Intel in the server market *while* bumping up the release of X2s by many months generates no positive comments from you either.

Why you are so enraged that forums like Anand's attract people who can be fair and say honestly what's out there in the CPU world is something you'll have to sort out for yourself. Go be a soccer hooligan where the general public at least expects such emotionally-disturbed fanaticism, it's a more appropriate outlet. In the meantime, zip it. You'll see more and more positive comments about Intel here when Intel actually has the killer CPUs available for independent benchmarks and purchase.
 
Originally posted by: Intelia
Look fella you are not Brian nor are most other people Brian is a knowledgeable O/C and I already know what his stats are but I also now that there are very few 3000 that well run @ 2.6 Ghz thats a fact argue it if you want. Facts are facts I was at the Orb And was unable to find any 3000+ running @ 2.6 why is that. Also why would anand ban me for pointing out something I and others have observed if anand is on the up and up than I would consider it helpful if someone pointed out to me something that I might be doing wrong. My husbands watercooled chilled water is a 3.2c running @ 4.2+ I don't know the exact number but you want to talk about performance he has it in spades . As i said before he,is an intel nut . By way you know what you get when you hold a record and you make sure the company whose products you use are aware of it . You get free video cards. So i well plug them right now xtasy has given david a voucher for there release of the R520 not bad not bad at all.Now he's tring to get a second card from them on a voucher to run it with cross fire . The reason I mention this is there going to expect him to post right away . He is really sick about it because he says a stock clocked 3.73 won't do the job I agree my pc creams the 3.73 . so for the first time in his life he is going to have to use an AMD64 as his own personel pc unless he installs it in my cases at any rate if he builds with a new case it well still be considered his pc . he has actually gotten sick from this thought. I don't know why he hates AMD like he does but man it is a deep hate. He don't talk about things that bug him much but he is a history nut. Also and I think it may have something to do with Germany . Something about if your going to build new fabs that pay wages equal to that of the USA. That fab better be in the USA. My husband has never ever been a racist but he really don't like our friends to the south. Again it relates to wages . I use to believe what he believes on this subject but I had to let it go I wish he could . I don't know but for some reason he thinks americans are a step above everyone else . And the french I have never every seen anyone with such a deep routed hatered for a people as he has for the french. But now days many people have the same feelings . All I am tring to say here is differant strokes for differant folks. (Not americans with french blood french from France)

My 3000+ venice core runs at 2.6 EASY as will the majority of them out there ...
 
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Im waiting for Longhorn to go dual core, then i will see how Meram pans out against the updated X-2 steppings.

Since i will have to pretty buy a complete system either way, price/perf might be in intels favor.

Although by then there should be another Nforce refresh out as well.

ya David is waiting for the same thing waiting for the Merom desktop equivelant and longhorn . Davids really depressed that he hasn't Built anthing but AMDS for 11/2 years but after last weeks news about apple he is very excited that there may be a chance that he can run that O/S instead. David uses microsoft with the same destain as his use of AMD cpu's
 
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Intelia
Originally posted by: LT4CAMSS
And how are these circumstances any different? I understand the P4 is very complex. You're talking about how Intel is switching to shorter pipes and a less complicated architecture. Isn't that what AMD has consistently done in the past? I don't recall AMD ever passing 20-stages in their pipeline. If anyone can build a cpu to compete with Intel's next generation, it's AMD. They have the expertise and experience. I wouldn't call the Athlon 64 a lack of expertise. That design is just genius. And if they don't have the skills, how come they were the first to introduce 64-bit instructions in their cpus?

My point is not to argue who's better or worse. Like I said I like both companies. For your information, I am currently running a P3 Tualatin 1.4S w/ 512 L2 cache. Even after all this time...this thing still runs good. I also have a FX-55 San Diego sitting on my desk waiting to be paired w/ a 6800 Ultra and some ram so I can have some fun with this. My point is to express the fact that one should not rule either company out. AMD is not going to be knocked out by Intel, no matter how much experience they gained w/ the P4. Also, I don't want to burden Anandtech by ascribing every statement to them, but I'm pretty sure one of the writers alluded to AMD coming out with something similar to HyperThreading in the future.

Maybe you need to be a little like Anakin (even I'm falling prey to all the Star Wars allusions) and mess around with the dark side alil.

Man thats to bad that bad puppy is sitting on your desk Fx 57 in 2 weeks.
And again Iam stating my opion only on this subject based un research that I can neither prove or disprove but here's the facts as I understand them
Based of what a dothan clocked at 2.6 GHz which is faster and slower than Amd Fx 55 . Now this is very important to remeber thats a 30% overclock remeber 30%
Now yonah is 30% faster than dothan at the same clock. add SSE 3 and fusion engine and were talking really fast here . Now these numbers . I believe came from Xbit labs not sure and were they got them I don't have a clue.
Merom which is the moble chip is suppose to be 20% faster than yonah .
I don't remeber the name of the desktop cpu thats is a merom that opened up for more power and much much higher clocks I have read that it is 15% faster than merom
Now if these numbers are correct which i have not a clue as to weather they are or not but if they are thats 65% faster than dothan and dothan is on par with a AMD 64 at the same clock.
If this is correct information Intel people have a right to be excited hell everyone should be excited. As I said I don't know if this is correct information or not but if it is holy cows.
Now on to amd 64 invented by intel stolen by microsoft and given to AMD (talking about 64 bit thing here. Intel accused Amd of the theft but they share stuff anyway . FACT IS Intel didn't have the balls to say microsoft stoled it . But now that Apple is a player Intel might start slapping microsoft around. that be a good fight . Again I think every one is going to be a little surprized by the M2 and DDR2 as many now dothan really doesn't need a great deal more bandwith nor can it use much more it seems that AMD 64 has the same problem . This is as I read it. If you raise the bandwith of the Amd memory controller with out raising the cpu speed it would seem it offers little if any performance increase in fact as I understand it you can actually lose performance from runnin out of syn. Can anyone add to this again i believe I read this at Xbit labs not sure anyone know for sure. I am still not sure how much the ondie memory control adds to the overall performance of the AMD 64 Cpu . maybe the memory controller is getting to much credit here or maybe AMD 64 cpus are stilling some of the memory controllers credit .

Meram is the desktop chip, yonah is the mobile.

Dual core chips will easily use the additional bandwidth of DDRII in heavy multitasking and in multithreaded appliactions.

The on-die memory controller is very good on the A64 and cuts down the total chipset latency by a large amount. There is no doubt you would lose some performance going to an off-die controller again with the A-64.

Yonah is the mobile cheap with 2 dothans. Merom is the mobile that well be the first true new arch. from intel I forgot the name of the desktop chip but its suppose to be faster than Merom
 
If you can't see the differance between a boxed DE and a warrantyed O/C system that puts up really good benchies than there is nothing I can add . Simply put I can not see why anyone would buy a stock dual intel over an AMD dually. On the other hand I can see people buying an O/C DE thats under warranty. We wouldn't buy or sell one but we can see were some people would . but still way to much $$$$$
This is my last reply to any of your post . You call people Trolls and your the biggest troll at this forum.
 
Originally posted by: Brunnis
Originally posted by: Intelia
Man thats to bad that bad puppy is sitting on your desk Fx 57 in 2 weeks.
And again Iam stating my opion only on this subject based un research that I can neither prove or disprove but here's the facts as I understand them
Based of what a dothan clocked at 2.6 GHz which is faster and slower than Amd Fx 55 . Now this is very important to remeber thats a 30% overclock remeber 30%
Now yonah is 30% faster than dothan at the same clock. add SSE 3 and fusion engine and were talking really fast here . Now these numbers . I believe came from Xbit labs not sure and were they got them I don't have a clue.
Merom which is the moble chip is suppose to be 20% faster than yonah .
I don't remeber the name of the desktop cpu thats is a merom that opened up for more power and much much higher clocks I have read that it is 15% faster than merom
Now if these numbers are correct which i have not a clue as to weather they are or not but if they are thats 65% faster than dothan and dothan is on par with a AMD 64 at the same clock.
Actually with those figures you just posted, this rumoured Intel chip would be 80% faster clock-for-clock than the A64 (you can't just add those percentages). That said, I'm pretty sure that this is, well, almost impossible to achieve. Just don't count on it, ok? You're very likely to get disappointed.

Originally posted by: Intelia
If this is correct information Intel people have a right to be excited hell everyone should be excited. As I said I don't know if this is correct information or not but if it is holy cows.

Many people might not be awfully cheery about the thought of Intel totally laying waste to AMD's whole product line. Why? We "need" a strong AMD in the CPU business, for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by: Intelia
Now on to amd 64 invented by intel stolen by microsoft and given to AMD (talking about 64 bit thing here. Intel accused Amd of the theft but they share stuff anyway . FACT IS Intel didn't have the balls to say microsoft stoled it .
What the hell are you talking about!? Microsoft "stole" AMD64?

Originally posted by: Intelia
Again I think every one is going to be a little surprized by the M2 and DDR2 as many now dothan really doesn't need a great deal more bandwith nor can it use much more it seems that AMD 64 has the same problem . This is as I read it. If you raise the bandwith of the Amd memory controller with out raising the cpu speed it would seem it offers little if any performance increase in fact as I understand it you can actually lose performance from runnin out of syn. Can anyone add to this again i believe I read this at Xbit labs not sure anyone know for sure. I am still not sure how much the ondie memory control adds to the overall performance of the AMD 64 Cpu . maybe the memory controller is getting to much credit here or maybe AMD 64 cpus are stilling some of the memory controllers credit .
The CPU's on socket M2 will obviously work at full speed against the DDR2 memory, providing for a bandwidth quite close to the theoretical maximum of DDR2-667.



What the hell are you talking about!? Microsoft "stole" AMD64?
Ya I read it at the inquirer . I tried to find that thread but I couldn't I well keep looking and post it . As I understood the tread Microsoft stole the Intel X86 64 bit they were working on and than dropped it infavor of the Itanic true 64 bit computing. Than microsoft tells Intel that it won't create a an operating system for the 64bit computing as it is not needed on the desktop After Intel pours billions into Itanic . Than microsoft turns around and helps Amd Create 64 bit extensions that they got from Intel . Fact or fiction how cares.
 
i guess i am money bios🙂 because i will buy whatever has the best bang for the buck for what my needs are. sure my current system is intel, but in my room i have 2 amd machines. it just so happens that this current rig i built 1.25 years ago and at that time i was doing video editing.

imo, an educated person does not care or need to be loyal to a certain manf, they will acquire what they need at that particular time for a particular task.

benches are benches and i highly doubt that anandtech skews all the benches except for the encoding ones. it is not biosed🙂 to be educated. both cpus have their +s and -s, end of story and one should buy the appropriate cpu for what his/her needs are.

Originally posted by: Intelia
Under normal circumstances I would agree but you have got to remember The P4 is a very very complicated Cpu . Going to shorter pipes and a less complicated arch. I just don't think Amd has the expertise. I really believe that this is going to be easy for intel to pull this off. Why do I believe this because of the experience they gained from the P4 Arch. Why hasn't Amd come out with Hyper threading its not the shorter pipes because intel is going to release it on the short pipe next gen. cpu .

i would say that every cpu is very complicated.

blah, blah, blah or as you might put it bloh, bloh, bloh

troll...
 
Originally posted by: Intelia
If you can't see the differance between a boxed DE and a warrantyed O/C system that puts up really good benchies than there is nothing I can add . Simply put I can not see why anyone would buy a stock dual intel over an AMD dually. On the other hand I can see people buying an O/C DE thats under warranty. We wouldn't buy or sell one but we can see were some people would . but still way to much $$$$$
This is my last reply to any of your post . You call people Trolls and your the biggest troll at this forum.

if this is your last reply, why did you post right after this?
 
Ya I read it at the inquirer . I tried to find that thread but I couldn't I well keep looking and post it . As I understood the tread Microsoft stole the Intel X86 64 bit they were working on and than dropped it infavor of the Itanic true 64 bit computing. Than microsoft tells Intel that it won't create a an operating system for the 64bit computing as it is not needed on the desktop After Intel pours billions into Itanic . Than microsoft turns around and helps Amd Create 64 bit extensions that they got from Intel . Fact or fiction how cares.

You sure have an active imagination.
 
Intelia you base your facts on rumors and things that are not official or released yet , why do this? I personally base my beliefs on the now and the actual data out there from benchmarks etc ... The way you argue and the points you bring up are flawed!!! Also please stop replying to every single post!

CHEERS 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Under normal circumstances I would agree but you have got to remember The P4 is a very very complicated Cpu . Going to shorter pipes and a less complicated arch.

The P4 is not going anywhere... it's dead. There will be no more Pentium 4's ever made.

I just don't think Amd has the expertise.

You're obviously insane, but I'll respond to the rest of your crap anyway.

I really believe that this is going to be easy for intel to pull this off. Why do I believe this because of the experience they gained from the P4 Arch.

Intel doesn't have anythign to pull off. The Yonah is based on the Dothan design. They're not reinventing the wheel.

Why hasn't Amd come out with Hyper threading its not the shorter pipes because intel is going to release it on the short pipe next gen. cpu .

If you think AMD hasn't considered hyperthreading, aka SMT, you're insane, just as I suspected. Intel uses Hyper Threading as a method of hiding memory latency (including the cache). As a bonus, they seem to have bypassed the pitfalls of the Windows scheduler (can been seen by changing the priority of the process in the Task Manager and having no effect on a P4 with HT), since P4's without HT or with HT disabled, and Athlon 64's all rely on Windows to properly schedule tasks. It's been shown by AnandTech, and again by THG that the Windows scheduler is inefficient when dealing with many tasks.

Even though the P4 ran out of steam Intel learned much from this Cpu So going from P4 to a much easier arch .

Ok, maybe you're not insane, just ignorant. The Dothan architecture is no "easier" than the Pentium 4/Netburst architecture.

ya i believe its all over in 2006 but time well tell.

Your prediction is based on what? Explain WHY you think that? Give facts to support your views.

I'm all for discussion, but your opinion is based on hype.

Exactly how can I possiable have the true facts as these things exist behind gag orders .
I am basing everthing off of internet print. And based off the performance of the Dothan cpu in recent test . thats the very best I can do. I said I don't know any true facts
other than what the Dothan can do in its present state. I just an overly optomistic Intel fan .
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Under normal circumstances I would agree but you have got to remember The P4 is a very very complicated Cpu . Going to shorter pipes and a less complicated arch.

The P4 is not going anywhere... it's dead. There will be no more Pentium 4's ever made.

I just don't think Amd has the expertise.

You're obviously insane, but I'll respond to the rest of your crap anyway.

I really believe that this is going to be easy for intel to pull this off. Why do I believe this because of the experience they gained from the P4 Arch.

Intel doesn't have anythign to pull off. The Yonah is based on the Dothan design. They're not reinventing the wheel.

Why hasn't Amd come out with Hyper threading its not the shorter pipes because intel is going to release it on the short pipe next gen. cpu .

If you think AMD hasn't considered hyperthreading, aka SMT, you're insane, just as I suspected. Intel uses Hyper Threading as a method of hiding memory latency (including the cache). As a bonus, they seem to have bypassed the pitfalls of the Windows scheduler (can been seen by changing the priority of the process in the Task Manager and having no effect on a P4 with HT), since P4's without HT or with HT disabled, and Athlon 64's all rely on Windows to properly schedule tasks. It's been shown by AnandTech, and again by THG that the Windows scheduler is inefficient when dealing with many tasks.

Even though the P4 ran out of steam Intel learned much from this Cpu So going from P4 to a much easier arch .

Ok, maybe you're not insane, just ignorant. The Dothan architecture is no "easier" than the Pentium 4/Netburst architecture.

ya i believe its all over in 2006 but time well tell.

Your prediction is based on what? Explain WHY you think that? Give facts to support your views.

I'm all for discussion, but your opinion is based on hype.

Actually there is 1 more its called Presler I believe
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Under normal circumstances I would agree but you have got to remember The P4 is a very very complicated Cpu . Going to shorter pipes and a less complicated arch.

The P4 is not going anywhere... it's dead. There will be no more Pentium 4's ever made.

I just don't think Amd has the expertise.

You're obviously insane, but I'll respond to the rest of your crap anyway.

I really believe that this is going to be easy for intel to pull this off. Why do I believe this because of the experience they gained from the P4 Arch.

Intel doesn't have anythign to pull off. The Yonah is based on the Dothan design. They're not reinventing the wheel.

Why hasn't Amd come out with Hyper threading its not the shorter pipes because intel is going to release it on the short pipe next gen. cpu .

If you think AMD hasn't considered hyperthreading, aka SMT, you're insane, just as I suspected. Intel uses Hyper Threading as a method of hiding memory latency (including the cache). As a bonus, they seem to have bypassed the pitfalls of the Windows scheduler (can been seen by changing the priority of the process in the Task Manager and having no effect on a P4 with HT), since P4's without HT or with HT disabled, and Athlon 64's all rely on Windows to properly schedule tasks. It's been shown by AnandTech, and again by THG that the Windows scheduler is inefficient when dealing with many tasks.

Even though the P4 ran out of steam Intel learned much from this Cpu So going from P4 to a much easier arch .

Ok, maybe you're not insane, just ignorant. The Dothan architecture is no "easier" than the Pentium 4/Netburst architecture.

ya i believe its all over in 2006 but time well tell.

Your prediction is based on what? Explain WHY you think that? Give facts to support your views.

I'm all for discussion, but your opinion is based on hype.




Intel doesn't have anythign to pull off. The Yonah is based on the Dothan design. They're not reinventing the wheel.

Actually yonah is 2 glued together dothans with a 30% performance increase nothing more. MEROM on the other hand is the wheel reinvented
 
Intelia, the majority of people here dislike you because you're spreading misinformation. Not because you're an Intel fan. They may also grow to dislike you for triple posting rather than editing a post.

(See how I changed it to triple rather than double by editing my post when I noticed your 3rd post in reply to me?)
 
Originally posted by: bob4432
Originally posted by: Intelia
If you can't see the differance between a boxed DE and a warrantyed O/C system that puts up really good benchies than there is nothing I can add . Simply put I can not see why anyone would buy a stock dual intel over an AMD dually. On the other hand I can see people buying an O/C DE thats under warranty. We wouldn't buy or sell one but we can see were some people would . but still way to much $$$$$
This is my last reply to any of your post . You call people Trolls and your the biggest troll at this forum.

if this is your last reply, why did you post right after this?

Iwas referring to capt. cavey sorry I should have used Qoutes
 
Originally posted by: Intelia
Originally posted by: bob4432
Originally posted by: Intelia
If you can't see the differance between a boxed DE and a warrantyed O/C system that puts up really good benchies than there is nothing I can add . Simply put I can not see why anyone would buy a stock dual intel over an AMD dually. On the other hand I can see people buying an O/C DE thats under warranty. We wouldn't buy or sell one but we can see were some people would . but still way to much $$$$$
This is my last reply to any of your post . You call people Trolls and your the biggest troll at this forum.

if this is your last reply, why did you post right after this?

Iwas referring to capt. cavey sorry I should have used Qoutes

Do a search on my posts, you'll see I try and stop flame wars and not start them Troll. And based on performance, I've gone from AMD to Intel back to AMD. Definitely not a troll of fanboy. You're too funny and pathetic. You have zero respect on this forum and add zero substance. Please leave.

 
Originally posted by: Intelia
I just an overly optomistic Intel fan .

you finally hit the nail on the head.

making decisions based on a brand is just ignorant. do you work for intel? hold a lot of their stock? like computers that can act as heaters? being close minded never got anybody anywhere. god/evolution(whichever you believe in) gave you the ability to think and reason, so why don't you use it?

 
Originally posted by: mindgam3
Intelia you base your facts on rumors and things that are not official or released yet , why do this? I personally base my beliefs on the now and the actual data out there from benchmarks etc ... The way you argue and the points you bring up are flawed!!! Also please stop replying to every single post!

CHEERS 🙂

This has nothing to do with beliefs its more hope than anything . The here and now for Intel Sucks I know were we are right now . I am just tring to put together what information is out there for 06. the only thing I can point to that gives me any hope right now is the Dothan Benchies @ 2.6 . We have been told that Yonah is going to be 30% faster than dothan . So my beliefs as you put it is based more on faith than anything else.
 
Originally posted by: Intelia
Originally posted by: mindgam3
Intelia you base your facts on rumors and things that are not official or released yet , why do this? I personally base my beliefs on the now and the actual data out there from benchmarks etc ... The way you argue and the points you bring up are flawed!!! Also please stop replying to every single post!

CHEERS 🙂

This has nothing to do with beliefs its more hope than anything . The here and now for Intel Sucks I know were we are right now . I am just tring to put together what information is out there for 06. the only thing I can point to that gives me any hope right now is the Dothan Benchies @ 2.6 . We have been told that Yonah is going to be 30% faster than dothan . So my beliefs as you put it is based more on faith than anything else.


Ok so you like Intel cpu's over AMD. Thats fine. But dont beat up on those that dont share the same thoughts as you. Im sure you can ask about Intel in 06 and get some good replies on what is in the lineup for next year. But I would believe Intel wants to keep as much secret and boast rumors on performance gains as much as possible to keep those from going to an AMD cpu. Thats fine. Let AMD and Intel fight that war with prices and let us reap the rewards there is competition to do so. It would be a lot worse if AMD dies off because then the government will step in and attempt to break up Intel for being a monopoly.

AMD=GOOD
INTEL=GOOD
BECUASE Competition = GREAT.
 
THIS is David
I have been in racing for 40 years . I have always run Chevy and thats all there is to it. I know how to get every ounce of power out a chevy . Because thats all I work with.
For a street car and trucks I have bought nothing but Fords because its a better design .
But under no circunstances well I build a Ford to race with even though I believe its a better design .
The reason for this is I know that I can get everthing that Chevy has out of it.
If I switched to Ford I would have to go threw a learning curve and I would not be doing the Ford justice.
Sure in time I would get it. But I am a old dog that really has know desire to learn new tricks.
Stick with what you know and give it your best shot . Thats the only thing I can do.
When I started racing forty years ago Everybody was running Big block Chevy's, Fords and Hemi's.
I was 1 of the first ones to see the potentical of the small block chevy's . My first year A completely dominated racing with I small block chevy. It completely shocked everybody. So I have stayed loyal threw good times and bad times . Trust me there's been plenty of bad times.
 
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