HEY NOW!
Thats THG is Mentally Challenged!!!
Someone should do a rebuttal config but do it right to show THG. But then every other reputable site thinks his test is just WTF?
HEY NOW!
Thats THG is Mentally Challenged!!!
Someone should do a rebuttal config but do it right to show THG. But then every other reputable site thinks his test is just WTF?
If anand hasn't sold out y know review of corsair 5400ul the worlds fastest memory
Many believe that OCZ is paying anand off and it really does appear to be true anand benchies of ocz memory actually are quit a bit higher than anyother sites get. I don't know but it does appear that way . As for the other statement most here were still Amd fans but I believe for a fair reason value for the dollar. and your right before FX 51 ananda did seem to give a fair review of Intel cpu . But really he had to didn't he ! But always closed with the statement about Amd still had the best bang for the buck In all fairness he did say that Intel duallies seem to have the best bang for the buck . In this instance I strongly disagree with him the present Intel dually should be polled out of the market buy intel . If how ever the EE model was priced @ $300 dollars with unlocked mult. That would be a good value.
In recent Intel Asus P5wd2 if anand would have gave the bench mark no. with a 3.73 @1:1 @ 1066 that would have been a great review as it is it was just a good review but he was really forced here again As asus sent the Corsair memory with the motherboard.
It was not sent to them by corsair as he stated . I checked this out myself Asus sent the memory with the board the same as they did the other review sites.
Actually could you post were I can find these O/C Amd 3000+ that run at FX55 speeds not here say actual benchies that show stability . I don't count an O/C as good unless it stable . ( Big news for intel fans P4 @ 6+GHz ya big news it posted the bios what the hell is that.) The Orb really should change its posting rules if you don't run the entire bench no post period.
Markfw
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Why don;t you ask Duvie ? He has documented it very well, as he has one. There are many here who have done it, Anand also has. If you don;t bother to read this site of the hundreds of OC threads, I won;t bother to link them. They are all over this forum STABLE. Or Zebo, or Anand himslef ? You already questioned his integrety above, I am surprised he doesn't read this and ban you for that alone !
Look fella you are not Brian nor are most other people Brian is a knowledgeable O/C and I already know what his stats are but I also now that there are very few 3000 that well run @ 2.6 Ghz thats a fact argue it if you want. Facts are facts I was at the Orb And was unable to find any 3000+ running @ 2.6 why is that. Also why would anand ban me for pointing out something I and others have observed if anand is on the up and up than I would consider it helpful if someone pointed out to me something that I might be doing wrong. My husbands watercooled chilled water is a 3.2c running @ 4.2+ I don't know the exact number but you want to talk about performance he has it in spades . As i said before he,is an intel nut . By way you know what you get when you hold a record and you make sure the company whose products you use are aware of it . You get free video cards. So i well plug them right now xtasy has given david a voucher for there release of the R520 not bad not bad at all.Now he's tring to get a second card from them on a voucher to run it with cross fire . The reason I mention this is there going to expect him to post right away . He is really sick about it because he says a stock clocked 3.73 won't do the job I agree my pc creams the 3.73 . so for the first time in his life he is going to have to use an AMD64 as his own personel pc unless he installs it in my cases at any rate if he builds with a new case it well still be considered his pc . he has actually gotten sick from this thought. I don't know why he hates AMD like he does but man it is a deep hate. He don't talk about things that bug him much but he is a history nut. Also and I think it may have something to do with Germany . Something about if your going to build new fabs that pay wages equal to that of the USA. That fab better be in the USA. My husband has never ever been a racist but he really don't like our friends to the south. Again it relates to wages . I use to believe what he believes on this subject but I had to let it go I wish he could . I don't know but for some reason he thinks americans are a step above everyone else . And the french I have never every seen anyone with such a deep routed hatered for a people as he has for the french. But now days many people have the same feelings . All I am tring to say here is differant strokes for differant folks. (Not americans with french blood french from France)
What I find most interesting is that as soon as a reviewer actually comes to the conclusion that one CPU is better than another, the whole world starts shouting about biased opinions. People say that Anand is biased towards AMD, but is it really that strange that he seems to prefer AMD at the moment. Ever since 2003, they've simply been a step ahead of Intel in most aspects.
What I'm saying is that it's not really as if you would have had to be bribed to prefer AMD for the past couple of years. When it comes to prefering Intel, it's a little harder to understand. Off the top of my head, the only reasons I can think of are HyperThreading and the imagined superior stability of the platform.
Anyway, this comes from a former die-hard Intel fanboy. Just so you know.
Intelia: The reason for you not finding any Athlon64 3000+ @ 2.6GHz in Futuremark's ORB is that they're usually not detected as Athlon64. They go as "Unknown", Duron or the regular Athlon. I don't have a 3000+ myselft, but judging by what you see when browsing around forums, I wouldn't say that 2.6GHz is very uncommon. 2.8GHz is, but not 2.6GHz.
What I'm saying is that it's not really as if you would have had to be bribed to prefer AMD for the past couple of years. When it comes to prefering Intel, it's a little harder to understand. Off the top of my head, the only reasons I can think of are HyperThreading and the imagined superior stability of the platform.
Anyway, this comes from a former die-hard Intel fanboy. Just so you know.
Intelia: The reason for you not finding any Athlon64 3000+ @ 2.6GHz in Futuremark's ORB is that they're usually not detected as Athlon64. They go as "Unknown", Duron or the regular Athlon. I don't have a 3000+ myselft, but judging by what you see when browsing around forums, I wouldn't say that 2.6GHz is very uncommon. 2.8GHz is, but not 2.6GHz.
As a speculator, I see that AMD supporters don't like the heat produced by the new Intel cpus. I like both and I'm happy these cats are battling each other like this. It drives prices down.
Another thing, don't you think if Intel comes out with something then that AMD will be ready for a counter-attack? It'd be absurd to think one company is sitting around and waiting for the other to come and stomp it's ass out. Intel was anticipating AMD moves so they released information about how they're gonna completely abandon this current architecture and move on to something else. AMD is anticipating Intel's next move and I'm sure they're going to have something up their sleeve as well.
We can be sure that the current 939 platform will not be around forever. I did read somewhere on Anandtech that they will be coming out w/ a new platform (also 939) in about a year from now.
Another thing, don't you think if Intel comes out with something then that AMD will be ready for a counter-attack? It'd be absurd to think one company is sitting around and waiting for the other to come and stomp it's ass out. Intel was anticipating AMD moves so they released information about how they're gonna completely abandon this current architecture and move on to something else. AMD is anticipating Intel's next move and I'm sure they're going to have something up their sleeve as well.
We can be sure that the current 939 platform will not be around forever. I did read somewhere on Anandtech that they will be coming out w/ a new platform (also 939) in about a year from now.
Capt Caveman
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Intelia, you lie your arse off and still provide no facts or links to anything you say. Yeah, sure you're a record holder and get free video cards from ATI. Sure. Here's another lie you've been caught about. Go away and don't come back.
Quote:
Originally posted by: Intelia
I personnally don't care when x2 arrives but it seems to me dothan is only asking of proof were you can buy a x2 now . I know you can preorder them and wait and I don't know any that are sold right now just preorders whats the big deal its a good cpu . I personnally have not read anywere that the X2 is having yield problems. But I well state that AMD is toning things down a bit there could be problems in the father land. but I still don't see the issue.
First off with M2 and DDR2 coming in 1st quarter 06 I just can't see A lot of these being sold Amd says maybe 10,000 units . Thats believable . On the other side of fence Intel says they well sell 1'000,000 units in 05 . If thats true some one should go to prison for commenting fraud on the American people because this dually sucks thats just the plain and simple truth of the matter.
Stupid troll, you were the same idiot that posted in a thread talking about how awesome the Intel Dual Cores were and how Intel was warranting oc'd cpu's from Dell and Velocity Micro. WTF!!! Could you be anymore pathetic. Which is it? Intel dual cores sucks like in your above quote or what you said below?
Here's your quote on how a Pentium 840 Extreme oc'd to 4ghz would cream a X2(but now you say that they suck and a X2 is better, WTF Psycho!!!):
" Hold the phones on another front
Last year, Intel admitted that shipping 4GHz processors would be more difficult than it previously believed. The current top-of-the-line Pentium 4 Extreme Edition maxes out at 3.73GHz; the Pentium 4 model 570J ships at 3.80GHz. The recent dual-core Pentium Extreme Edition 840 is shipping at 3.2GHz. Apparently, Intel has unlocked the multiplier on the Pentium Extreme Edition 840 dual-core CPU, similar to the way AMD ships the FX series processors unlocked.
This allows small, aggressive PC companies to deliver systems at higher-than-rated clock. One such company is Velocity Micro, which is shipping its DCX dual-core systems with an innovative sealed-liquid cooling system. These systems use the Pentium Extreme Edition 840 at clock speeds ranging from the standard 3.2GHz up to a whopping 4.0GHz. So Intel may not be able to ship 4GHz parts in volume, but the chip maker is allowing some companies to ship small quantities of systems at higher clock rates
At 4.0 GHz this thing creams X2 and its a Fully warranty part.
This is faster than X2 big time so doesn't mater what it cost.
Dell is also O/C them TO 3.6 on air full Warranty.
Fully supported by Intel .
I have seen the benchies there very good!!!!
I would say times are turning bad for AMD!!1 "
Here's a link to the thread loser:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1587678&enterthread=y
Quote:
Originally posted by: Intelia
I personnally don't care when x2 arrives but it seems to me dothan is only asking of proof were you can buy a x2 now . I know you can preorder them and wait and I don't know any that are sold right now just preorders whats the big deal its a good cpu . I personnally have not read anywere that the X2 is having yield problems. But I well state that AMD is toning things down a bit there could be problems in the father land. but I still don't see the issue.
First off with M2 and DDR2 coming in 1st quarter 06 I just can't see A lot of these being sold Amd says maybe 10,000 units . Thats believable . On the other side of fence Intel says they well sell 1'000,000 units in 05 . If thats true some one should go to prison for commenting fraud on the American people because this dually sucks thats just the plain and simple truth of the matter.
Stupid troll, you were the same idiot that posted in a thread talking about how awesome the Intel Dual Cores were and how Intel was warranting oc'd cpu's from Dell and Velocity Micro. WTF!!! Could you be anymore pathetic. Which is it? Intel dual cores sucks like in your above quote or what you said below?
Here's your quote on how a Pentium 840 Extreme oc'd to 4ghz would cream a X2(but now you say that they suck and a X2 is better, WTF Psycho!!!):
" Hold the phones on another front
Last year, Intel admitted that shipping 4GHz processors would be more difficult than it previously believed. The current top-of-the-line Pentium 4 Extreme Edition maxes out at 3.73GHz; the Pentium 4 model 570J ships at 3.80GHz. The recent dual-core Pentium Extreme Edition 840 is shipping at 3.2GHz. Apparently, Intel has unlocked the multiplier on the Pentium Extreme Edition 840 dual-core CPU, similar to the way AMD ships the FX series processors unlocked.
This allows small, aggressive PC companies to deliver systems at higher-than-rated clock. One such company is Velocity Micro, which is shipping its DCX dual-core systems with an innovative sealed-liquid cooling system. These systems use the Pentium Extreme Edition 840 at clock speeds ranging from the standard 3.2GHz up to a whopping 4.0GHz. So Intel may not be able to ship 4GHz parts in volume, but the chip maker is allowing some companies to ship small quantities of systems at higher clock rates
At 4.0 GHz this thing creams X2 and its a Fully warranty part.
This is faster than X2 big time so doesn't mater what it cost.
Dell is also O/C them TO 3.6 on air full Warranty.
Fully supported by Intel .
I have seen the benchies there very good!!!!
I would say times are turning bad for AMD!!1 "
Here's a link to the thread loser:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1587678&enterthread=y
Under normal circumstances I would agree but you have got to remember The P4 is a very very complicated Cpu . Going to shorter pipes and a less complicated arch. I just don't think Amd has the expertise. I really believe that this is going to be easy for intel to pull this off. Why do I believe this because of the experience they gained from the P4 Arch. Why hasn't Amd come out with Hyper threading its not the shorter pipes because intel is going to release it on the short pipe next gen. cpu .
Even though the P4 ran out of steam Intel learned much from this Cpu So going from P4 to a much easier arch . ya i believe its all over in 2006 but time well tell.
Hay cavey just exactly what lie is it this time . so far your batting zero never said he was getting anything from ATi I said Xtasy. As for the other crap you pulled out lol. A boxed DE CPU is not the same as a warranty on an O/C DE is it @ 4.0ghz it is much faster than the X2 and its under warranty I can see were many people would find this to be very good deal . To bad its a P4P. Falcon is releasing a 3.73 @ 4.2 Ghz again warranty is in place these are very attractive deals to many people. sure you can O/C AmD to achieve the same performance but NO warranty there fella now or ever.
Capt Caveman
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Learn to read. How about your record and that ATI provides you video cards? And how you're going to get voucher for another one to run cross-fire, yet the there are no cross-fire boards available. Too funny. The only zero is yourself. Again, spouting off jibberish with no proof/links.
And yeah, the whole Intel warranties oc'd cpus from Dell and Velocity Micro still cracks me up and how you went from a 4ghz oc'd 840 EE creams a X2. That's three strikes, you're OUT...
And yeah, the whole Intel warranties oc'd cpus from Dell and Velocity Micro still cracks me up and how you went from a 4ghz oc'd 840 EE creams a X2. That's three strikes, you're OUT...
So, you think AMD is able to design and manufacture a CPU like the Athlon64, but they don't have the knowledge to implement simultaneous multi threading, like HyperTrheading? Come on!
Cavey did your brain die R520 won't be released till Aug Sept . Cross fire comes out next month . Do you know what a voucher is When the cards are released I order the GPU and turn in the voucher. Why they let people post from third world countries is beyond me. OH ! OH ! Howed I know you were from a third world country you best install a better router.
And how are these circumstances any different? I understand the P4 is very complex. You're talking about how Intel is switching to shorter pipes and a less complicated architecture. Isn't that what AMD has consistently done in the past? I don't recall AMD ever passing 20-stages in their pipeline. If anyone can build a cpu to compete with Intel's next generation, it's AMD. They have the expertise and experience. I wouldn't call the Athlon 64 a lack of expertise. That design is just genius. And if they don't have the skills, how come they were the first to introduce 64-bit instructions in their cpus?
My point is not to argue who's better or worse. Like I said I like both companies. For your information, I am currently running a P3 Tualatin 1.4S w/ 512 L2 cache. Even after all this time...this thing still runs good. I also have a FX-55 San Diego sitting on my desk waiting to be paired w/ a 6800 Ultra and some ram so I can have some fun with this. My point is to express the fact that one should not rule either company out. AMD is not going to be knocked out by Intel, no matter how much experience they gained w/ the P4. Also, I don't want to burden Anandtech by ascribing every statement to them, but I'm pretty sure one of the writers alluded to AMD coming out with something similar to HyperThreading in the future.
Maybe you need to be a little like Anakin (even I'm falling prey to all the Star Wars allusions) and mess around with the dark side alil.
My point is not to argue who's better or worse. Like I said I like both companies. For your information, I am currently running a P3 Tualatin 1.4S w/ 512 L2 cache. Even after all this time...this thing still runs good. I also have a FX-55 San Diego sitting on my desk waiting to be paired w/ a 6800 Ultra and some ram so I can have some fun with this. My point is to express the fact that one should not rule either company out. AMD is not going to be knocked out by Intel, no matter how much experience they gained w/ the P4. Also, I don't want to burden Anandtech by ascribing every statement to them, but I'm pretty sure one of the writers alluded to AMD coming out with something similar to HyperThreading in the future.
Maybe you need to be a little like Anakin (even I'm falling prey to all the Star Wars allusions) and mess around with the dark side alil.
A representative from AMD recently said that they have discussed implementing it (naturally) but they didn't really like the concept of sharing resources among threads on a single core.
As a side note, the concept of SMT isn't overly complicated to understand and neither is it that complicated to implement. In terms of transistor count (or die size), Intel said that it required about an extra 5%.
Elcs
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Im so glad Im currently on an Intel chip, Id hate THG to make my bios.
I wouldnt particularly trust Anand with making my bios either.
My loyalties in the PC market stay with whoever provides me with the best bang for the buck at my price-point. In terms of information, I stick with whoever has given me the best advice in the past which is what the members of this very board have given me.
I wouldnt particularly trust Anand with making my bios either.
My loyalties in the PC market stay with whoever provides me with the best bang for the buck at my price-point. In terms of information, I stick with whoever has given me the best advice in the past which is what the members of this very board have given me.
Man thats to bad that bad puppy is sitting on your desk Fx 57 in 2 weeks.
And again Iam stating my opion only on this subject based un research that I can neither prove or disprove but here's the facts as I understand them
Based of what a dothan clocked at 2.6 GHz which is faster and slower than Amd Fx 55 . Now this is very important to remeber thats a 30% overclock remeber 30%
Now yonah is 30% faster than dothan at the same clock. add SSE 3 and fusion engine and were talking really fast here . Now these numbers . I believe came from Xbit labs not sure and were they got them I don't have a clue.
Merom which is the moble chip is suppose to be 20% faster than yonah .
I don't remeber the name of the desktop cpu thats is a merom that opened up for more power and much much higher clocks I have read that it is 15% faster than merom
Now if these numbers are correct which i have not a clue as to weather they are or not but if they are thats 65% faster than dothan and dothan is on par with a AMD 64 at the same clock.
If this is correct information Intel people have a right to be excited hell everyone should be excited. As I said I don't know if this is correct information or not but if it is holy cows.
Now on to amd 64 invented by intel stolen by microsoft and given to AMD (talking about 64 bit thing here. Intel accused Amd of the theft but they share stuff anyway . FACT IS Intel didn't have the balls to say microsoft stoled it . But now that Apple is a player Intel might start slapping microsoft around. that be a good fight . Again I think every one is going to be a little surprized by the M2 and DDR2 as many now dothan really doesn't need a great deal more bandwith nor can it use much more it seems that AMD 64 has the same problem . This is as I read it. If you raise the bandwith of the Amd memory controller with out raising the cpu speed it would seem it offers little if any performance increase in fact as I understand it you can actually lose performance from runnin out of syn. Can anyone add to this again i believe I read this at Xbit labs not sure anyone know for sure. I am still not sure how much the ondie memory control adds to the overall performance of the AMD 64 Cpu . maybe the memory controller is getting to much credit here or maybe AMD 64 cpus are stilling some of the memory controllers credit .
"Man thats to bad that bad puppy is sitting on your desk Fx 57 in 2 weeks."
There is always eBay. I've sold processors before. Worst comes to worst I'd just get the FX-57 or 4800+ alil down the road. We'll see what's worth it when the scores come out.
There is always eBay. I've sold processors before. Worst comes to worst I'd just get the FX-57 or 4800+ alil down the road. We'll see what's worth it when the scores come out.
Im waiting for Longhorn to go dual core, then i will see how Meram pans out against the updated X-2 steppings.
Since i will have to pretty buy a complete system either way, price/perf might be in intels favor.
Although by then there should be another Nforce refresh out as well.
Since i will have to pretty buy a complete system either way, price/perf might be in intels favor.
Although by then there should be another Nforce refresh out as well.
Actually with those figures you just posted, this rumoured Intel chip would be 80% faster clock-for-clock than the A64 (you can't just add those percentages). That said, I'm pretty sure that this is, well, almost impossible to achieve. Just don't count on it, ok? You're very likely to get disappointed.
Many people might not be awfully cheery about the thought of Intel totally laying waste to AMD's whole product line. Why? We "need" a strong AMD in the CPU business, for obvious reasons.
What the hell are you talking about!? Microsoft "stole" AMD64?
The CPU's on socket M2 will obviously work at full speed against the DDR2 memory, providing for a bandwidth quite close to the theoretical maximum of DDR2-667.
Meram is the desktop chip, yonah is the mobile.
Dual core chips will easily use the additional bandwidth of DDRII in heavy multitasking and in multithreaded appliactions.
The on-die memory controller is very good on the A64 and cuts down the total chipset latency by a large amount. There is no doubt you would lose some performance going to an off-die controller again with the A-64.
Capt Caveman
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LMAO. Kind of funny how a person from a third world country can spell english better than you. You still don't provide real facts and have even mentioned you can't back-up your reserach. Yeah, you're telling the truth. You still haven't explained your shift from "4ghz oc'd 840 EE creams a X2". You are nothing but a Troll.
If you have the record, don't you think ATI would be sending you an engineering sample for testing. Nice try again loser.
ps. If living in Cambridge, MA is considered a third world nation, a troll like yourself is probably living in a trail-parker down by the river. Loser.
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