Tom's Hardware admits AMD superiority

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Shimmishim

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maybe intel hasn't been giving them enough money lately? :)

watch the results change next month lol.
 
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hurtstotalktoyou

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Actually, I never much doubted THG's honesty. Their test results always seemed very reasonable, and their reviews relatively unbiased. But I thought you folks who hate the site might get a kick out of this new review.
 
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I've never really seen Tom's be extremely Intel Biased. They seem to give AMD credit when its due. I think these forums (or more correctly, the people who participate in these Anandtech forums) tend to be a bit AMD Biased/fanboi'd

Of Course Tom's does seem to get some interesting Intel stuff like those 65nm chips they tested and benched a while back... can't think of anyone else who's gotten a hold of some of those yet.
 
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Shimmishim

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i think you're right when you say that this forum is full of AMD fanboys...

but you also have to see the faultiness of THG's testing methods. there are so many flaws which skew results for intel's favor when they clearly lose on lots of other review sites such as AT.

i think it's a combination of both the site and the fanboys which makes the problem worse.
 
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I actually do think THG is biased, mainly because their CEO (Omid) has admitted as much. I have found innumerable errors in their benches in the past, and never ever has it been in AMD's favour. (By errors I mean that they contradicted their own benches done on identical systems by as much as 25%...)
 
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Lets not forget such extremely realistic real world tests like removing the HSF from an AXP to once and for all time prove to the world that a CPU can burn when you manually remove the HSF - and make a movie out of it. Of course, not without doing the same to a P4 which will, of course, throttle down and survive. But hey, nowadays they throttle down with a working HSF... so...
 
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Look I was a big THG fan for awhile, but certain things really started to add up and I don't think they are biased so much as they prior to a review or test I think they have a precieved answer built into their head and they then proceed with the test, trying to force it into doing exactly what they thought it would. The Week long stability test where Nothing owrked right in the Intel system they tried to blame it on everyone but Intel, but then on the AMD side it run flawless but after being ocmpletely stressed non-stop for a week Windows wouldn't shutdown the computer correctly. They mentioned the AMD failure over and over, blamed Nvidia for the 5 motherboard failures (including one intel chip failure) and them selves for the over heating. On the CPU chart they ran half of the test as encoding and only ran one non encoding/gaming benchmark. On Memory benchs they did this week they compaired 2GB only to 512MB on over 50% of the benches, then went on to include 1GB as an option based on almost nothing in their conclusion.
 
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tom's data has never been biased, and the results are ok (not counting the variations between reviews). The only thing I've ever noticed is just comments they've made, picking out 'issues' that aren't there, or twisting there wording round. They're recent articles have been much better on the processor front. Tbh, their worst area is their overall graphics charts, containing wildly different and inaccurate results from review to review. Hard to keep up with them...

anandtech and xbitlabs are my number 1 sites for hardware, as I check both daily.

toms is a third,

techreport, hexus and firingsquad after that....
 
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Biased, payrolled or just plain voodoo magic, THG does tell it like it is when the moon phase is right. Remember them (along with arch-nemesis [ H ] ) calling Intel to account over the CuMine Pentium III 1.13? In more recent articles I've read any number of times where THG proclaimed the AMD chip as better. As for the "taking HSF off" videos, I wish a friend of mine had seen that video because he tried to POST test an Athlon XP without HSF. "It should have POSTed, right?" was his answer to me asking why he didn't just slap on a HSF even w/o thermal paste. Honestly guys, 7 out of 8 dentists agree that 3 out of 7 self-proclaimed computer geeks will get something of use out of THG articles.Just because Tom-bashing is popular around these here parts doesn't mean THG articles are without merit of some kind. Besides, where else can you find such a collection of networking articles other than Tom's Networking (besides the fact that it was a separate web site until THG bought them out).

BTW, what do people think of the THG site redesign? I think it looks "too busy" and is thus pretty useless. Their previous design was fine, with newest articles across the top and news articles right below - easy to catch the essentials at a glance without having to scroll or skip all over the page.

EDITED to fix bolding problem when typing [ H ] without spaces. :p
 
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Originally posted by: Zap
Honestly guys, 7 out of 8 dentists agree that 3 out of 7 self-proclaimed computer geeks will get something of use out of THG articles.
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Line of the month. :)


But anyways, they have been loosing a lot of cred among computer enthuisasts, and they know it. So they have to at least make a pretense of looking fair and balanced.
 
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bjc112

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Originally posted by: Shimmishim
i think you're right when you say that this forum is full of AMD fanboys...

but you also have to see the faultiness of THG's testing methods. there are so many flaws which skew results for intel's favor when they clearly lose on lots of other review sites such as AT.

i think it's a combination of both the site and the fanboys which makes the problem worse.
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I really don't think that is the case.. I think there are a lot of people looking for the best price performance.. And at the moment AMD owns. And by a large margin.

I am looking forward to a Dual Core Conroe/Yonah/Memron setup from Intel.

If it it out does my x2, then my money goes to Intel!

I guess it's always nice to root on the underdog though..

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There's a difference between being an AMD fanboy and advocating the best CPU. I had an Athlon XP 1600+ and when I started researching an upgrade, I went in with no preconceptions about which processor to get.. but it became readily apparent that Athlon 64's and Athlon X2's were ridiculously dominant at the moment.

In fact, it would take an *Intel fanboy* to advocate buying ANY Intel CPU at the moment. AMD is simply a better buy right now, from super-budget up to multi-processor servers. When that changes, and people recommend AMD where Intels are acutally a better choice, THEN you can accuse people of AMD fanboyism.
 
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Originally posted by: jonnythan
There's a difference between being an AMD fanboy and advocating the best CPU. I had an Athlon XP 1600+ and when I started researching an upgrade, I went in with no preconceptions about which processor to get.. but it became readily apparent that Athlon 64's and Athlon X2's were ridiculously dominant at the moment.

In fact, it would take an *Intel fanboy* to advocate buying ANY Intel CPU at the moment. AMD is simply a better buy right now, from super-budget up to multi-processor servers. When that changes, and people recommend AMD where Intels are acutally a better choice, THEN you can accuse people of AMD fanboyism.
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wisdom words.
Fanboy for defending the best? that is not fanboysm.
Defending something even if it is a piece of crap (ej: Preshotts) is fanboysm.
:thumbsup:
 
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Originally posted by: carlosd
Originally posted by: jonnythan
There's a difference between being an AMD fanboy and advocating the best CPU. I had an Athlon XP 1600+ and when I started researching an upgrade, I went in with no preconceptions about which processor to get.. but it became readily apparent that Athlon 64's and Athlon X2's were ridiculously dominant at the moment.

In fact, it would take an *Intel fanboy* to advocate buying ANY Intel CPU at the moment. AMD is simply a better buy right now, from super-budget up to multi-processor servers. When that changes, and people recommend AMD where Intels are acutally a better choice, THEN you can accuse people of AMD fanboyism.
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wisdom words.
Fanboy for defending the best? that is not fanboysm.
Defending something even if it is a piece of crap (ej: Preshotts) is fanboysm.
:thumbsup:
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So where do the anti-Intel people fall? Those are the people who look for any thread title with the words Intel and start bashing it right away regardless of content.
 
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Duvie

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Let me start by saying...

Fatty4ksu is the "king of morons"....

Secondly while I applaude THG for pulling its collective head out of its arse with its debacle after debacle in their testing, this still doesn't go far enough. Like mentioed above it usually falls into their comments not matching the data or their blatant attempt to shop for apps that Intel has a better showing in (usually to much reference to synthetic test). Main concept? Who uses that POS??? More ppl use TMPGenc, AutoGK, etc yet we dont see those apps which are highly optimized for dual an multi core processors. Commonsense tells me I would have been using that app since the day of HT p4's

Look at the http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/21/...her_of_all_cpu_charts_2005/page41.html page...remember the famous stress test where they concluded the EE did better with more then 2 threads yet AMD is wiping the floor with it still using 4 threads. I always thought there was some funny business going on the side with that test. It was as if some one was changing priority settings cause the INtel system would magically change priority in test and speed up and slow down and keep the numbers close. The fact their idioticy in using an app with a default low priority was enough to say I dont trust these guys' testing methods...


really it is

Anandtech and TechReport at the top....

Xbit a distant third cause they show no forethought in apps used and often comments seem unrelated to charted data. Basically bad scientist who try to have the data fit their predetermined thoughts, but usually comes out looking odd or unrelated.

THG is probably 4th cause you at least knw they will have reviews on all major hardware. Often times most sites dont agree with them or their numbers...or their conclusions....They do too much customization we dont see and that can be iffy.
 
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