[TOM'S] AMD inter-generational CPU shootout

[Jaydip]

People that dont have or are not willing to pay $600-700 for a single GPU like the one in your sing.

Are you mad dude ? there are tons of better options within ~ $150 which will provide much better gaming experience.

 

[AtenRa]

Are you mad dude ? there are tons of better options within ~ $150 which will provide much better gaming experience.

From the Core i7 3770K and HD4000 ?? im sure there are (A10-5800K for example) :biggrin:

 

[Jaydip]

From the Core i7 3770K and HD4000 ?? im sure there are (A10-5800K for example) :biggrin:

Nope from the HD4000 only

 

[AtenRa]

Nope from the HD4000 only

Definitely, but the fact is i have played DOTA2 on HD4000 and its playable.

 

[inf64]

Nice graph Aten , proves that looking just at fluke minimum fps dips is meaningless. We should always have a graph with fps over whole runtime to make a valid conclusions.

 

[Essence_of_War]

People that dont have or are not willing to pay $600-700 for a single GPU like the one in your sing.

*Checks price on 7750*

*Checks that it outperforms HD4000 and HD7660D*

Because it's clearly a choice between a $600 single card, and playing with the igpu.

 

[jhu]

That surely looks unplayable to me.Who the hell plays with an igp?

Guildwars 2 works just fine on my laptop's HD4000. The secret: not everyone plays games at 1080p resolutions.

 

[AtenRa]

*Checks price on 7750*

*Checks that it outperforms HD4000 and HD7660D*

Because it's clearly a choice between a $600 single card, and playing with the igpu.

What part of not being able or not willing to pay an extra $95 for that HD7750 dont you understand ???

 

[Jaydip]

Guildwars 2 works just fine on my laptop's HD4000. The secret: not everyone plays games at 1080p resolutions.

Fair enough but you have to admit that those numbers are pretty thin.

 

[Slomo4shO]

That surely looks unplayable to me.Who the hell plays with an igp?

Have you played Dota or LOL?
They don't require high end GPUs to play. If all you are playing are low GPU intensity games then what is the practicality in dropping in a discrete card?

Nope from the HD4000 only

I am sure the HD4600 packs enough juice.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Numbers are only part of the equation, real world experience is the other

 

[Jaydip]

Have you played Dota or LOL?
They don't require high end GPUs to play. If all you are playing are low GPU intensity games then what is the practicality in dropping in a discrete card?


I am sure the HD4600 packs enough juice.

I believe those benches can be extremely misleading.For e.g. when Diablo III came out many sites benched the title and gave their verdict that a mid-range gpu was enough to play the game at highest settings.But when I got into the game and ventured into inferno those benches looked utter trash.When you are playing with four guys with all sorts of of cool affects going on it can stress even a very strong gpu.My 680 sometimes struggled to keep 60 Fps @1080P.

 

[Essence_of_War]

What part of not being able or not willing to pay an extra $95 for that HD7750 dont you understand ???

That's not at all what you said. You complained about someone paying an extra $600-700 for a dgpu. I said that it's sort of silly to act like the only options are $600 for a dgpu, or to roll with the igpu.

 

[Phynaz]

Link please. I would like to know how bad my FX 8350 stutters in games.

http://techreport.com/review/23246/inside-the-second-gaming-performance-with-today-cpus

 

[Slomo4shO]

I believe those benches can be extremely misleading.For e.g. when Diablo III came out many sites benched the title and gave their verdict that a mid-range gpu was enough to play the game at highest settings.But when I got into the game and ventured into inferno those benches looked utter trash.When you are playing with four guys with all sorts of of cool affects going on it can stress even a very strong gpu.My 680 sometimes struggled to keep 60 Fps @1080P.

I have had the opposite experience with D3 when I played it. I played the game on the following GPUs: HD 4850, GTS 9600, GTX 650, GTX 660, GTX 660 SLI, HD 7770, HD 7850, HD 7870, HD 7970 xfire. Granted that none of these were integrated graphics but I was not able to find any discernible differences in gaming quality between the different GPUs. However, I must admit that the 1080P display was limited to 60Hz and I didn't bother monitoring the FPS. Nevertheless, the playing experience was similar.

Anecdotal evidence aside, benchmark reviews seems to mirror my experience:

 

[Jaydip]

As I said if you play solo on normal/nightmare it is fine but when you team up with three guys and venture into inferno those graphs have little to no value.My friend had to upgrade his 470 as it stuttered like crazy.

 

[Slomo4shO]

As I said if you play solo on normal/nightmare it is fine but when you team up with three guys and venture into inferno those graphs have little to no value.My friend had to upgrade his 470 as it stuttered like crazy.

I played through Inferno prior to the patch on SC and played through Act 1 and 2 Inferno HC in groups of 3 or 4. I haven't played in over a year so unless something changed which enhanced the graphics in inferno in comparison to normal/nightmare/hell...

 

[SlowSpyder]

Tungsten fillament light bulbs must have been awful for some of you, turning on 25-30 times a second (depending on what part of the world you live in). Did you guys overclock your homes?

Just picking one of the games they test that I own, other than when I try and make Skyrim slow down, it is smooth as a baby's butt for me. Most of the time that game is locked at 60FPS for me, and very much feels like 60FPS.

I start work on my FX9370 build tonight... so long as I can stay away from playing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing for a while, I might even get it to boot up this week. I am confident I'll be happy with the performance. Maybe Balla and I can run some 4.9+GHz benches.

 

[Slomo4shO]

I start work on my FX9370 build tonight...

Why wouldn't you just pickup a FX-8350 and overclock it yourself?

 

[Jaydip]

I played through Inferno prior to the patch on SC and played through Act 1 and 2 Inferno HC in groups of 3 or 4. I haven't played in over a year so unless something changed which enhanced the graphics in inferno in comparison to normal/nightmare/hell...

Did you run for the keys?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Why wouldn't you just pickup a FX-8350 and overclock it yourself?

No real rational reason.

*edit - I should add that it's a long story (I fought with Amazon.com) and that I got the CPU for under $300.

 

[Slomo4shO]

Did you run for the keys?

Again... over a year ago... I still fail to see how any new content would be more GPU taxing if no new effects were added to the game (were they? I haven't bothered keeping up with the disappointment that was D3)

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I believe those benches can be extremely misleading.For e.g. when Diablo III came out many sites benched the title and gave their verdict that a mid-range gpu was enough to play the game at highest settings.But when I got into the game and ventured into inferno those benches looked utter trash.When you are playing with four guys with all sorts of of cool affects going on it can stress even a very strong gpu.My 680 sometimes struggled to keep 60 Fps @1080P.

My thoughts exactly, after benching my HD4600 in Dota 2 I know for a fact Ra was at best laning and none of his 3 minute strip is with a late game 5v5 team fight.

Same with Diablo 3 cpu performance, anything can run you from the start to new trist, now try anything on the bridge in act 3 with a group of friends


For me I can't accept a processor that is good enough 80% of the time, but 20% is horrendous. The problem for me with AMD is that they can't escape their ST performance and often fail in cpu limited games to meet this personal quota. Same with the i3, I had one I saw the benchmarks seemed like a decent option until I got one and found out just how quickly a need for more than two cores will slow you down. AMD lacks per core, low end Intel lacks cores. Neither option is a good one, imo.


Which is where I see the 6300 vs i3 debate, on one side you can see when a game can use more threads the 6300 makes a compelling choice, then all of a sudden the i3 guy posts the cpu limited games and the 6300 looks bad. I try to stay out of these discussions, because of the price point and the needs of others and yada yada blah blah, but my personal feeling is to save and get the best overall gaming processor for another few hours of work at min wage.

 

[Jaydip]

Again... over a year ago... I still fail to see how any new content would be more GPU taxing if no new effects were added to the game (were they? I haven't bothered keeping up with the disappointment that was D3)

Yeah some new effects for the newly added monsters.

 

[AtenRa]

http://techreport.com/review/23246/inside-the-second-gaming-performance-with-today-cpus

A stuttering mess ill tell ya, 0.6 to 14 milliseconds eternity chasm

Even in Skyrim 3570K to FX8150 is 14ms, Batman is 10ms, crysis 2 at 2.5ms and in BF3 just a puny 0.6ms. It clearly stutters as hell

Not to mention there are no Vishera products on that review like FX8350, FX6300 etc