[TOM'S] AMD inter-generational CPU shootout

[BallaTheFeared]

See post #40, the guys who tested it disagree with your conclusion. I'll go with the pro's here

He's talking about a different processor, also I laugh at the idea of referencing Tom's as "Pros".

 

[Schmide]

Can you explain why do you think something is wrong?

The reason for the? That was the first multi-player bench I've seen.

 

[Slomo4shO]

He's talking about a different processor, also I laugh at the idea of referencing Tom's as "Pros".

They test and review for a living. By definition, they are pros...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/professional

 

[cbn]

See post #40, the guys who tested it disagree with your conclusion. I'll go with the pro's here

They are referring to overall performance.

My conclusion was based purely on gaming. (This is where Core i3-3225/Core i3-3220 is definitely faster than a Athlon II 750K at 4.3 Ghz).

 

[Abwx]

Can you explain why do you think something is wrong?

56 FPS in MP for FX 8350 :

70 FPS for the same MP and same CPU :

In short , there are people who know how to select a bench , for sure.....

 

[frozentundra123456]

I have seen this type of argument many times and it baffles me how many uses it.
Its like buy a 10% more expensive car and you can acellerate 20% faster.
Its completely ignoring every other component in the computer system or car.
With that logic everyone should buy 3 times as expensive computers.
I know its a personal preference but applied to eg. Cpu or gpu the result of the bad logic is just crazy expensive stuff.

And the real world is just not that simple. You have a more or less tight budget. The answer is then how do i get best playing experience here?

Obvious you just cant double the price of every component just because its a benefit. Its about cost-benefit balance.

Are you trying to say that no one has a right to buy more than the cheapest car, house, computer, TV, cell phone, whatever that will do the job? Maybe no one should be allowed to have a smartphone, a simple prepaid cellphone should be good enough, right, or maybe just find a phone booth.

I did not say anyone has to buy a 3570k, they can buy an athlon x4 750 for all I care. And yes, there is a limit to what is reasonable to spend. I would not recommend an exterme edition cpu, because the cost is outrageous compared to the increased performance. The point I was making is that is not the case for a 3570k. The increased performance relative to total system cost is actually greater than the relative increased cost.

But if someone has the resources to buy something above the bare minimum, who are you to say they dont have the right to do that. You are extending my comment to ridiculous extremes far beyond what I intended, and I think that is obvious. If one carried your arguments to the same extreme, he could say nobody should spend the money for pc gaming at all, they should go to the library and check out books for free.

 

[Schmide]

56 FPS in MP for FX 8350 :

In short , there are people who know how to select a bench , for sure.....

It seems right +20% to intel.

 

[Abwx]

It seems right +20% to intel.

Noticed how the 3570K score was proped up
by the same way that AMD got cut by 25%.

And then there are people using benches performed
by an obviously biaised site to claim how intel is good...

 

[drikkie]

Noticed how the 3570K score was proped up
by the same way that AMD got cut by 25%.

And then there are people using benches performed
by an obviously biaised site to claim how intel is good...

Check out any gtx660 bench for BF3 MP, it can't even provide that fps pure over clock is showing for the AMD...... Talking about biased.

 

[Slomo4shO]

Are you trying to say that no one has a right to buy more than the cheapest car, house, computer, TV, cell phone, whatever that will do the job?

Your analytical skills are amazing.

 

[Durp]

That pure OC review is bogus on purpose or an anomaly. There are no other results to support a result like that, not even close.

 

[Abwx]

Check out any gtx660 bench for BF3 MP, it can't even provide that fps pure over clock is showing for the AMD...... Talking about biased.

The picture above from PUREOC is BF3 MP with GTX660....

That pure OC review is bogus on purpose or an anomaly. There are no other results to support a result like that, not even close.

So the review that gives the lower scores to AMD is forcibly
the most accurate...

Silly me , i didnt catch up...

 

[AtenRa]

For reference,

Core i7 3770K + HD7950 @ 1GHz - BF3 - Epicenter 64Player - 1080p Ultra

FX8350 - HD7950 @ 1GHz - BF3 - Epicenter 64Player - 1080p Ultra

Both CPUs on default

 

[SPBHM]

56 FPS in MP for FX 8350 :

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/focus/cpu2013/def/bf3_1920.png

70 FPS for the same MP and same CPU :

[IMG]http://www.pureoverclock.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/BF3-FPS.jpg

In short , there are people who know how to select a bench , for sure.....[/QUOTE]

different settings, VGA, scene, version...

but still the purceOC review is showing numbers no one else is even close to getting...
gamgpu also shows amd in a not so great position with this game.


[img]http://gamegpu.ru/images/stories/Test_GPU/Action/Battlefield%203%20End%20Game/test/bf3%20EG%20PROZ.jpg

 

[Abwx]

different settings, VGA, scene, version...

but still the purceOC review is showing numbers no one else is even close to getting...
gamgpu also shows amd in a not so great position with this game.

PureOC number is only 8% higher than your pic , what s
so surprising.?...It doesnt fit the general impression.?..

 

[bbhaag]

Great article OP thanks for the link! I do a lot of video and audio encoding and it's nice to know my older 965 BE still holds up. I keep it stock but this article makes me think I should push it to around 4.0 ghz for better results.:hmm:

Does anyone have a link to a good tutorial on how to OC a Deneb cpu?

 

[el etro]

My conclusion was based purely on gaming. (This is where Core i3-3225/Core i3-3220 is definitely faster than a Athlon II 750K at 4.3 Ghz).

Agree with you here. Today intel's options are way better for gaming perf/$(or perf/watt).

 

[Durp]

So the review that gives the lower scores to AMD is forcibly
the most accurate...

Silly me , i didnt catch up...

No, as I stated, if a review's results cannot be remotely reproduced then something went wrong during testing or that specific reviewer is purposely biased towards whichever result is off.

You can't find any other results on the net where a 8350 gets 24 more fps than the 3570k in BF3 multiplayer or not. It would be hard to find a review that showed half of that difference.

 

[Gikaseixas]

He's talking about a different processor, also I laugh at the idea of referencing Tom's as "Pros".

No he isn't. He's talking about Athlon X4 750K vs i3 3220

Tom's a hardware website. What's your concept of pro? ABT?

 

[Essence_of_War]

Great article OP thanks for the link! I do a lot of video and audio encoding and it's nice to know my older 965 BE still holds up. I keep it stock but this article makes me think I should push it to around 4.0 ghz for better results.:hmm:

Does anyone have a link to a good tutorial on how to OC a Deneb cpu?

This is one I've seen before, but I've never actually done it myself

 

[SPBHM]

PureOC number is only 8% higher than your pic , what s
so surprising.?...It doesnt fit the general impression.?..

what are you talking about?

the only thing you can compare is relative performance, so compare 8350 to 2500k and than to 3570K on the pure OC test (and any other BF3 MP test), something is wrong...

the rest is irrelevant,
different game versions, vgas, settings...

and please, can you find different sources supporting the PureOC results?

 

[frozentundra123456]

Your analytical skills are amazing.

It was a rhetorical question directed to a response by another poster, how does it offend you?

 

[Gikaseixas]

Agree with you here. Today intel's options are way better for gaming perf/$(or perf/watt).

No question about it, Intel is better in gaming but the FX 6350 is a better all around cpu than i3 3225, it even matches the intel chip in gaming. If you calculate the averages, both high and minimums across all games they're evenly matched. $140 and below there's real competition guys, make no mistake about it. For anything higher than $140, Intel just trashes AMD, no doubt.

What baffles me is the constant AMD bash feast even when they offer a compelling alternative such as the FX 6350, a cpu that is priced the same as the Intel, performs similarly in games and better in most of the applications out there.

 

[cbn]

No he isn't. He's talking about Athlon X4 750K vs i3 3220

Yes, I mentioned Core i3-3220 because it has the same CPU cores (dual core 3.3 Ghz with HT) as the Core i3-3325.

The only difference is in the iGPU. The Core i3-3325 comes with the HD4000 whereas the Core i3-3320 comes with the HD2500.

Anyway, if someone is going to be using a discrete GPU card, they can go with i3-3220, save $20, and not lose any of the performance advantage seen by the Core i3-3225 used in the Tom's test.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0093H8H8I/...xtension-kb-20

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i3-3220-...s=core+i3-3220

 

[iiiankiii]

They are referring to overall performance.

My conclusion was based purely on gaming. (This is where Core i3-3225/Core i3-3220 is definitely faster than a Athlon II 750K at 4.3 Ghz).

Why are you comparing an 750k to the more expensive i3? Should it be more accurate to compare it to the dual core pentiums when based on pricing? Isn't the 750k $85 and the i3 $110?

The i3s should be compared to the fx-6300/6350. That would make more sense because they are price competitively. In that sense, the fx-6300 is faster than an i3-3220. The fx-6300 is $120 and the i3-3220 $110.