Tom Hardware's Power Box (AMD thermally cooled 1.6 GHz vs P4 1.5 GHz)

[joohang]

Possible reason why Tom didn't OC the Athlon to 1.5 GHz:

Do you know of any motherboard that supports a multiplier of 11.25x? Remember that he's using Athlon-"C".

 

[Usul]

<< we only had 2 mins on liquid cooled IBM main frame 20 ltrs/sec at 4.5 deg C >>



Hey, that's about the amount of water firefighter need...
What were you cooling? ASCI WHITE?

 

[Usul]

Remember that he's using Athlon-&quot;C&quot;.

C means 133FSB, right?

 

[IBMer]

Try $377+shipping as a start. Then we could throw PC133 memory ($60 256mb) into the Thunderbird's setup rather than use a DDR-based board. You and fkloster are being so anal about Intel its not even comedic anymore, more like pathetic.

No you forget that the P4 needs 2 sticks of ram. To sticks of 128MB, PC800 is $300, NOT 377.

How am I so anal about Intel? Maybe I just don't like arguing for the same old side that a lot of people do.

I mean god, I have a 1Ghz Athlon T-bird, but I am still Anal about Intel. LOL. Your through around insults too quick.

 

[NFS4]

<< No you forget that the P4 needs 2 sticks of ram. To sticks of 128MB, PC800 is $300, NOT 377. >>


Even with that oversight, the P4 is STILL way overpriced and is not even worth it's weight in PEZ

 

[MadRat]

I could have sworn one of the P4 lovers demanded that it only needs ONE stick of RAM. I was under the impression that RDR-RAM was best with multiple sticks, but didn't think it had to be paired. Kind of backwards in memory technology if you have to pair it up.

 

[Wingznut]

One thing you guys need to keep in mind... This is a new architecture. It's not just a sped-up P6. Is that all you guys want from your hardware manufacturers? Just to stick with the Status Quo adding a little bit of speed, and not do anything new?

Intel took a risk with the Pentium P5. Everyone stated how it was a bad move, because it didn't seem to perform as well as a 486. Then another risk with the P6. Same scenario. It seemed to be slower than the Pentium. And here we go again.

I guess everyone would just be happy with a 486-DX/1ghz.


&quot;not even worth it's weight in PEZ&quot;

Well done!

 

[SniperWulf]

I agree with NFS4

The P4 just ain't worth the cash right now. Now for Intel's sake, I hope that changes cause if not, they gonna continue to get they arses beat the hell up by these lower cost, lower clocked t-birds.

 

[Muerto]

Anyone who buys a P4 must not be right in the head, or have been held at gun point by Intel. The P4 sucks (for now anyways).

 

[SniperWulf]

Another thing to note is that he compares his PowerBox to the fastest possible STOCK systems you can buy. i.e. the fastest t-birg you can buy is 1.2Ghz and the fastest P4 is 1.5Ghz

 

[NeverLift]

P4's $UCK $HIT BUDDY!!!!
THE 1.2GHZ TBIRD SPANKS IT SO GET OVER IT!!!!
WAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[NFS4]

What an intelligent post:disgust:

 

[KarsinTheHutt]

flame war time!

 

[Degenerate]

I wondered why he didnt put a oc P4 in there? You can probably punch it to 2ghz+ ...

 

[Beowulf]

I wonder how far he could have clocked that P4.It may not be the best cpu to get but sure can overclock good.

 

[spamboy]

Wingznut hit it right on the nail: The P4 is just another in a long line of changing the core to allow higher speeds. Like he said, the PII looked slower than a P Classic, but what would you choose? A 233 MMX or a PII 400? When we see the P4 eating the Athlon for lunch cause the poor AMD starts puttering around 1.5 GHz, and the P4 is flying through 2+GHz, we'll see who will have their tail between their legs.

 

[joohang]

Usul: Yes, &quot;C&quot; means 133 MHz FSB.

So Tom needs a multiplier of 11.25x 133 to achieve 1500 MHz overclock, but last time I checked, there are no motherboards that support such a clock multiplier. So he probably just used 12x133 MHz = 1600 MHz, which sounds reasonable to me.

I would rather get dual PIII 1 GHz (or wait for that Tyan AMD 760MP) than get a P4 1.5 GHz. Affordable, and smoother performance for my needs.

 

[joohang]

Spamboy: It was Pentium Pro (the first P6) that performed poorly in Windows 9x. It outperformed Pentium (and MMX) only in Windows NT. If I recall correctly, Pentium II outperformed Pentium.

 

[borealiss]

<< I guess everyone would just be happy with a 486-DX/1ghz. >>

if that cpu was faster than anything out there currently, i wouldn't mind having it. i think the p4 will truly shine as clock speeds ramp up. buying a p4 now is a complete waste of money. at least with an athlon, you get an upgrade path since intel will be moving to a new pin layout. this might change in the future, but again, that's the future, and not now. there's no point in ranting about what type of performance the p4 meant to offer, if it doesn't offer competitive performance right now, then it's a waste of money, especially at that price point.

 

[TravisBickle]

psst... i'll tell you a secret... I want a P4 but only if I don't have to pay for it
fact is that the P4 is not at all a comprehensive solution but it does a couple of things very well. wanna trade? (PII300 and 64Mb)

 

[LordEdmond]

Bet you all said the Pentium was no good when it came out
486 ruled Pentium sucks

remember that was then this is now

same story different players

 

[Aihyah]

vaporchill would be nice if electricty were cheap Esp in california running that sucker 24/7 would probably fuxor anyones electric bill. hehe, anyone care to calculate how much it would cost to run the thing for a year?

 

[MSNY]

I'm not taking sides really, but I think we can all agree the Athlon ups the P4. What I'm more concerned about is the future. I have a P3-650 and I don't just want to 2x my processor at 1.2ghz. I'm thinking 6 months to a year and something closer to 2.0ghz or more.

I came from a P200 overdrive right into my P3-650 and thought that was a big jump. I want another big jump. 1.2ghz is not enough for me.

So in 6 months to a year who will still be the leader for my big jump ?

 

[IBMer]

MadRat

I could have sworn one of the P4 lovers demanded that it only needs ONE stick of RAM. I was under the impression that RDR-RAM was best with multiple sticks, but didn't think it had to be paired. Kind of backwards in memory technology if you have to pair it up.

Before your quick to insult people as in the earlier post, maybe you should understand the technology your talking about first.

By having two separate memory channels, thus requiring two seperate memory modules. In doing this, you double the speed for the memory.

 

[LordEdmond]

Corrrrrrrrrrrect
Pairs required bit of a pain but thats it