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Tom Delay thread:5-5-05 Republicans Turning on Delay In Greater Numbers Everyday
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Delay is just holding out, hoping that his friends in the Texas legislature can change the law after the fact, prevent Earle from prosecuting his pals... because he knows they'll roll over like marbles if actually convicted, implicate him...
He'd look good pickin' cotton at the state correctional facility in Huntsville... hell, I'd pay to see it...
He'd look good pickin' cotton at the state correctional facility in Huntsville... hell, I'd pay to see it...
dmcowen674
No Lifer
:thumbsup:
or panic them into doing something stupid.....oh wait that already happened last November
Sysbuilder05
Senior member
DeLay is a snake, pure and simple. Completely evasive yet arrogant. One thing that struck me, though, is that I hope the push by the D.A. to get the three under indictment to turn on DeLay doesn't backfire by them giving him "bad intel" such that they get off with a slap on the wrist and DeLay gets away scot-free.
DeLay is the epitome of everything wrong in today's world of politics in re: to money and power.[/quote]
Thats what happens when an ex-bug exterminator gets some power.
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
Is there anywhere I can look that has a map of the Congressional districts of Texas?
Try here:
http://gis1.tlc.state.tx.us/
Oh, here's a before and after:
http://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/03/05/15/redist/redist.gif
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
What I thought... rigged to elect Republicans. Not surprising.
judasmachine
Diamond Member
Cool that he helped NASA, however he is a career criminal, he only votes for something if he's getting paid. Delay should be removed from office, and tarred and feathered, and lynched.
CaptnKirk
Lifer
Sugar Land, Texas - a suburb of Houston Proper
Lies just outside the 'Outer Loop' in the Southwestern Quadrant
Houston, We have a problem . . .
only 37 miles - as the snake crawls.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Wow
This guy must be Sean Hannity and Mike Savage's best friend.
Waging War in the U.S. against not only Liberal that they called "Demented and Diseased" but going after the Judicial Branch of the U.S. Govt.
What does he mean by taking "steps to retaliate against Judges"???
Guess we will find out very shortly
4-8-2005 Judiciary has `run amok,' DeLay says
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, stepped up his attack on federal judges Thursday, telling a gathering of religious conservatives that the judiciary has "run amok" and demanding that Congress assert authority over the courts.
"The judiciary branch of our government has overstepped its authority on countless occasions, overturning and in some cases just ignoring the legitimate will of the people," DeLay said.
"But I also believe the executive and legislative branches have neglected the proper checks and balances on this behavior ... Our next step, whatever it is, must be more than rhetoric."
"Judges continue to substitute their own political views for the law, and we must push back"
Asked whether he would take steps to retaliate against judges in the Schiavo case
"If that's the direction that the leaders want to go, I would be happy to go that direction as well."
His remarks, delivered by videotape, broadened the criticism he voiced last week after the death of Terri Schiavo, a severely brain-damaged woman in Florida, after judges refused to order her feeding tube reinserted.
DeLay's address came as he strives to shore up his base amid a storm over his ethics.
This guy must be Sean Hannity and Mike Savage's best friend.
Waging War in the U.S. against not only Liberal that they called "Demented and Diseased" but going after the Judicial Branch of the U.S. Govt.
What does he mean by taking "steps to retaliate against Judges"???
Guess we will find out very shortly
4-8-2005 Judiciary has `run amok,' DeLay says
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, stepped up his attack on federal judges Thursday, telling a gathering of religious conservatives that the judiciary has "run amok" and demanding that Congress assert authority over the courts.
"The judiciary branch of our government has overstepped its authority on countless occasions, overturning and in some cases just ignoring the legitimate will of the people," DeLay said.
"But I also believe the executive and legislative branches have neglected the proper checks and balances on this behavior ... Our next step, whatever it is, must be more than rhetoric."
"Judges continue to substitute their own political views for the law, and we must push back"
Asked whether he would take steps to retaliate against judges in the Schiavo case
"If that's the direction that the leaders want to go, I would be happy to go that direction as well."
His remarks, delivered by videotape, broadened the criticism he voiced last week after the death of Terri Schiavo, a severely brain-damaged woman in Florida, after judges refused to order her feeding tube reinserted.
DeLay's address came as he strives to shore up his base amid a storm over his ethics.
Delay's support for NASA isn't about anything more than bringin' home the bacon- a la the Houston Space Center. He'd support funding the Hare Krishnas if they were one of Houston's major employers...
He's an opportunist, plain and simple, as is the heart of the Republican leadership cadre. They merely exploit Christian Fundies, their true Gods being Greed, Wealth, and above all, Power. They've merely refined and expanded the art of exploitation, of tent evangelism, made it bigtime, taken it to Washington...
They've planned the current attack on the independence of the judiciary and constitutional principles for a very long time, merely exploiting the Schiavo affair to serve as a launchpad... stretching their credibility even among their most admiring devotees...
He's an opportunist, plain and simple, as is the heart of the Republican leadership cadre. They merely exploit Christian Fundies, their true Gods being Greed, Wealth, and above all, Power. They've merely refined and expanded the art of exploitation, of tent evangelism, made it bigtime, taken it to Washington...
They've planned the current attack on the independence of the judiciary and constitutional principles for a very long time, merely exploiting the Schiavo affair to serve as a launchpad... stretching their credibility even among their most admiring devotees...
CaptnKirk
Lifer
Master of Extortion
<Hi Tom !>
Allies of Rep. Tom DeLay of Texas have finally gotten around to the "everybody does it" justification of the ethical lapses of their guy, the No. 2 Republican in the House. It's the excuse used after more specific defenses, such as "he couldn't have known where the money was coming from," begin to sound hollow.
In response to one recent discovery, the $500,000-plus paid by DeLay-controlled political committees to DeLay's wife and daughter, Rep. Roy Blunt of Missouri (the No. 3 Republican in the House) said, "The things that Tom has been criticized about in one way or another every member of Congress could be criticized about?. I think he's taking arrows for all of us."
Let the arrows fly where they belong, then. If all members are shoveling that kind of special interest money to their kin, the voters would like to know the specifics.
This is about lobbyists lining the DeLay family's pockets. The political committee, Americans for a Republican Majority, or ARM, is funded largely by lobbying groups eager to influence DeLay or to rent his power on behalf of their interests. The committee pays wife Christine DeLay's consulting fees, or salary, or whatever they call it. Daughter Dani DeLay Ferro runs her own obscure Texas political consulting company. It received $222,000 over four years from Texans for a Republican Majority, the state version of DeLay's ARM and funded in the same manner. Lobbyists seeking access to DeLay are ultimately Ferro's paymasters.
DeLay, the House majority leader, couldn't figure out that the nearly $60,000 cost of his visit to Russia in 1997 seems to have come, via a conservative nonprofit group, from a shadowy Bahamas-based company with ties to Russian gas and oil interests. Or that more recent trips to Britain and South Korea had questionable funding. Are all members of Congress allowed to be equally careless in their vetting of overseas trips?
Apparently so. DeLay told CNN on Wednesday that "no member can be responsible for going into the bowels of researching ? this organization, how it gets its money or how it's funded."
There's also the disclosure Thursday that 11 people who once worked for DeLay have raked in at least $45 million in lobbying fees from various corporations since leaving DeLay's employ. A spokesman responded that DeLay's "legislative activities are based on strongly held beliefs and the corresponding merits of the legislation." If that's how Congress operated, all these lobbyists would be wasting their clients' millions.
Over the last several years, The Times has exposed family/lobbyist ties among many lawmakers, notably Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), Sens. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) and Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), former Sen. John B. Breaux (D-La.), and Reps. Nick J. Rahall II (D-W.Va.), and Curt Weldon (R-Pa.). Instead of improving its self-regulation, Congress has weakened its ethics rules to help DeLay, who is also facing possible indictment for political activities in Texas.
"Everybody does it." When children say that, their mothers ask: "Would you jump off a cliff if everyone did it?" Maybe Republican defenders of DeLay are thinking, "yes."
<Hi Tom !>
Allies of Rep. Tom DeLay of Texas have finally gotten around to the "everybody does it" justification of the ethical lapses of their guy, the No. 2 Republican in the House. It's the excuse used after more specific defenses, such as "he couldn't have known where the money was coming from," begin to sound hollow.
In response to one recent discovery, the $500,000-plus paid by DeLay-controlled political committees to DeLay's wife and daughter, Rep. Roy Blunt of Missouri (the No. 3 Republican in the House) said, "The things that Tom has been criticized about in one way or another every member of Congress could be criticized about?. I think he's taking arrows for all of us."
Let the arrows fly where they belong, then. If all members are shoveling that kind of special interest money to their kin, the voters would like to know the specifics.
This is about lobbyists lining the DeLay family's pockets. The political committee, Americans for a Republican Majority, or ARM, is funded largely by lobbying groups eager to influence DeLay or to rent his power on behalf of their interests. The committee pays wife Christine DeLay's consulting fees, or salary, or whatever they call it. Daughter Dani DeLay Ferro runs her own obscure Texas political consulting company. It received $222,000 over four years from Texans for a Republican Majority, the state version of DeLay's ARM and funded in the same manner. Lobbyists seeking access to DeLay are ultimately Ferro's paymasters.
DeLay, the House majority leader, couldn't figure out that the nearly $60,000 cost of his visit to Russia in 1997 seems to have come, via a conservative nonprofit group, from a shadowy Bahamas-based company with ties to Russian gas and oil interests. Or that more recent trips to Britain and South Korea had questionable funding. Are all members of Congress allowed to be equally careless in their vetting of overseas trips?
Apparently so. DeLay told CNN on Wednesday that "no member can be responsible for going into the bowels of researching ? this organization, how it gets its money or how it's funded."
There's also the disclosure Thursday that 11 people who once worked for DeLay have raked in at least $45 million in lobbying fees from various corporations since leaving DeLay's employ. A spokesman responded that DeLay's "legislative activities are based on strongly held beliefs and the corresponding merits of the legislation." If that's how Congress operated, all these lobbyists would be wasting their clients' millions.
Over the last several years, The Times has exposed family/lobbyist ties among many lawmakers, notably Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), Sens. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) and Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), former Sen. John B. Breaux (D-La.), and Reps. Nick J. Rahall II (D-W.Va.), and Curt Weldon (R-Pa.). Instead of improving its self-regulation, Congress has weakened its ethics rules to help DeLay, who is also facing possible indictment for political activities in Texas.
"Everybody does it." When children say that, their mothers ask: "Would you jump off a cliff if everyone did it?" Maybe Republican defenders of DeLay are thinking, "yes."
I like this ad. 🙂
New Tom Delay Ad Targets Conservatives; DeLay Reveals the New Face Of The Conservative Movement
http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0407-11.htm
New Tom Delay Ad Targets Conservatives; DeLay Reveals the New Face Of The Conservative Movement
http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0407-11.htm
Succinctly put.
CaptnKirk
Lifer
More Snake Oil
<Is DeLay a French word for 'Corruption' ?>
In 2002, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay wanted to redraw Texas' district map to guarantee GOP gains. To pull this off, he needed Republicans to win control of the Texas Legislature, which would undertake the gerrymander.
DeLay went about raising large sums of corporate cash to plow into the Texas Statehouse races. Alas, Texas law prohibits corporations from donating money to candidates. So DeLay's group, Texans for a Republican Majority, raised $190,000 in corporate donations and sent the money to a national Republican campaign group, which in turn donated the $190,000 to individual GOP candidates for the Texas Statehouse.
DeLay is facing possible indictment for this incident. But the above paragraph doesn't contain the accusation. That's DeLay's defense. GOP lawyers say this money trading is a legal loophole. As DeLay told reporters, "When you have lawyers advising you every step of the way, it is very hard [for your opponents] to make a case stick." This defense may or may not work, but either way it doesn't quite meet the usual meaning of the word "innocent."
And that's the funny thing about the hot water DeLay finds himself in these days. He can make a plausible case that he's legally innocent of everything he's been accused of. Yet the things DeLay has admitted to are pretty bad on their own.
Like the controversy over letting a lobbyist pay for his overseas travel, which House rules prohibit. The lobbyist, Jack Abramoff, funneled money through conservative think tanks, which funded the trips. Nobody is questioning that part; the sticking point is that on at least one occasion Abramoff abandoned the pretense and picked up DeLay's tab directly.
DeLay says he didn't know that Abramoff paid the bill, and he probably didn't. Still, he surely knew that Abramoff, his friend and ally, wasn't showing up on trip after trip out of sheer coincidence.
DeLay's story, then, is that he and Abramoff circumvented the ban on lobbyist-funded travel with a transparent ruse, only Abramoff slipped up, dropping the ruse without DeLay's knowledge. Again: not guilty, perhaps, but hardly "innocent."
Then this week, the Washington Post reported that yet another DeLay trip was financed by Russian business interests, also, of course, without DeLay's knowledge. (House rules prohibit traveling at the expense of foreign agents.)
The purpose of the trip was apparently to secure DeLay's support for funding the Overseas Private Investment Corp. Most conservatives scorned OPIC, which provides a subsidy for businesses investing abroad, as corporate welfare. The Russians who allegedly paid for DeLay's trip had a strong interest in seeing the funding pass, and DeLay did not disappoint them. His spokesman, according to the Post, insisted the majority leader had a perfectly valid reason for his "yes" vote: "OPIC had the strong backing of the energy industry, including companies from Texas that received OPIC financing."
This is funny given that DeLay's loyal deputy, House Majority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), recently insisted with a straight face that his boss is "driven by philosophy?. I don't think I've ever been in a room where he said, 'We need to do this because some lobbyist needs it done.' " So now DeLay is reduced to essentially admitting he violated his principles at the behest of U.S. companies, which is merely sleazy, in order to deny violating his principles on behalf of Russian companies, which could be illegal.
It was probably just a matter of time before DeLay got nabbed for something or other. The hallmark of his career lies in pushing previously known social, ethical and legal norms further and lower than anybody else had ever had the guts or the indecency to push them.
Congress has always run something of a protection racket, but only DeLay was blunt enough to divide Washington's special pleaders into "friendly" and "unfriendly" camps based on their donations and to invite them into his office to see the lists. It's a tradition for the majority party in the House to run roughshod over the minority, but DeLay has taken majority tyranny to an extreme ? wantonly changing voting rules and forbidding Democrats from reading or debating legislation. Gerrymandering is a hallowed American tradition, but DeLay was the first to hit upon doing it without the cover of a census.
DeLay has yet to be judged, but this much is clear: If you constantly violate the spirit of the rules, it will be hard to avoid the charge that you violated the letter.
<Is DeLay a French word for 'Corruption' ?>
In 2002, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay wanted to redraw Texas' district map to guarantee GOP gains. To pull this off, he needed Republicans to win control of the Texas Legislature, which would undertake the gerrymander.
DeLay went about raising large sums of corporate cash to plow into the Texas Statehouse races. Alas, Texas law prohibits corporations from donating money to candidates. So DeLay's group, Texans for a Republican Majority, raised $190,000 in corporate donations and sent the money to a national Republican campaign group, which in turn donated the $190,000 to individual GOP candidates for the Texas Statehouse.
DeLay is facing possible indictment for this incident. But the above paragraph doesn't contain the accusation. That's DeLay's defense. GOP lawyers say this money trading is a legal loophole. As DeLay told reporters, "When you have lawyers advising you every step of the way, it is very hard [for your opponents] to make a case stick." This defense may or may not work, but either way it doesn't quite meet the usual meaning of the word "innocent."
And that's the funny thing about the hot water DeLay finds himself in these days. He can make a plausible case that he's legally innocent of everything he's been accused of. Yet the things DeLay has admitted to are pretty bad on their own.
Like the controversy over letting a lobbyist pay for his overseas travel, which House rules prohibit. The lobbyist, Jack Abramoff, funneled money through conservative think tanks, which funded the trips. Nobody is questioning that part; the sticking point is that on at least one occasion Abramoff abandoned the pretense and picked up DeLay's tab directly.
DeLay says he didn't know that Abramoff paid the bill, and he probably didn't. Still, he surely knew that Abramoff, his friend and ally, wasn't showing up on trip after trip out of sheer coincidence.
DeLay's story, then, is that he and Abramoff circumvented the ban on lobbyist-funded travel with a transparent ruse, only Abramoff slipped up, dropping the ruse without DeLay's knowledge. Again: not guilty, perhaps, but hardly "innocent."
Then this week, the Washington Post reported that yet another DeLay trip was financed by Russian business interests, also, of course, without DeLay's knowledge. (House rules prohibit traveling at the expense of foreign agents.)
The purpose of the trip was apparently to secure DeLay's support for funding the Overseas Private Investment Corp. Most conservatives scorned OPIC, which provides a subsidy for businesses investing abroad, as corporate welfare. The Russians who allegedly paid for DeLay's trip had a strong interest in seeing the funding pass, and DeLay did not disappoint them. His spokesman, according to the Post, insisted the majority leader had a perfectly valid reason for his "yes" vote: "OPIC had the strong backing of the energy industry, including companies from Texas that received OPIC financing."
This is funny given that DeLay's loyal deputy, House Majority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), recently insisted with a straight face that his boss is "driven by philosophy?. I don't think I've ever been in a room where he said, 'We need to do this because some lobbyist needs it done.' " So now DeLay is reduced to essentially admitting he violated his principles at the behest of U.S. companies, which is merely sleazy, in order to deny violating his principles on behalf of Russian companies, which could be illegal.
It was probably just a matter of time before DeLay got nabbed for something or other. The hallmark of his career lies in pushing previously known social, ethical and legal norms further and lower than anybody else had ever had the guts or the indecency to push them.
Congress has always run something of a protection racket, but only DeLay was blunt enough to divide Washington's special pleaders into "friendly" and "unfriendly" camps based on their donations and to invite them into his office to see the lists. It's a tradition for the majority party in the House to run roughshod over the minority, but DeLay has taken majority tyranny to an extreme ? wantonly changing voting rules and forbidding Democrats from reading or debating legislation. Gerrymandering is a hallowed American tradition, but DeLay was the first to hit upon doing it without the cover of a census.
DeLay has yet to be judged, but this much is clear: If you constantly violate the spirit of the rules, it will be hard to avoid the charge that you violated the letter.
cKGunslinger
Lifer
No doubt about it - DeLay is a total douche.
Sheik Yerbouti
Lifer
t. delay is absolute scum... and this little editorial cartoon is right on target..
watch yer jewelry
watch yer jewelry
Yellow Dog
Banned
Winning a war is not always good. Had we lost Texas to Mexico, then think of all the terrible politicians we would never have had. Johnson, Bush, Bush, Delay to name a very few corrupt, stupid Texans.
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
How about the Planet Houston?
Heh, every time I think about him, I'm reminded of that South Park with the "Biggest Douche in the Universe" award. I think DeLay would win by a landslide.
One thing I don't understand about him, why isn't be being dragged out and flogged by the Republicans (or even the Democrats for that matter)? It seems like he is getting away with WAY more crap than he should.
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
My theory on why the Republicans aren't going after Delay is that they have to keep up this facade of "moral values". If they even acknowledge Delay's wrongdoings, they would, in effect, put a dent in that armor, so to speak.
CaptnKirk
Lifer
One thing I don't understand about him, why isn't be being dragged out and flogged by the Republicans (or even the Democrats for that matter)? It seems like he is getting away with WAY more crap than he should.
He knows where the skeletons are, and has enough on so many that he can use it against them.
Do as I say - or else. Blackmail, Extortion, & Bribery.
He knows where the skeletons are, and has enough on so many that he can use it against them.
Do as I say - or else. Blackmail, Extortion, & Bribery.
leedog2007
Senior member
The courts do not have the authority under the constitution to make law. Their function is to interpret the law. I think if your a judge you should not belong to any political part. Look at the filabuster that is going on in the senate over supreme court nominations. It is supposed to be who is best qualified, not your political views.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Bahahaha other Republicans calling for him to quit as he is hurting the GOP.
Poor babies :laugh:
4-10-2005 Shays: DeLay Should Quit As House Leader
"Tom's conduct is hurting the Republican Party, is hurting this Republican majority and it is hurting any Republican who is up for re-election," Rep. Chris Shays, R-Conn., told The Associated Press in an interview, calling for DeLay to step down as majority leader.
"My party is going to have to decide whether we are going to continue to make excuses for Tom to the detriment of Republicans seeking election," Shays said.
Poor babies :laugh:
4-10-2005 Shays: DeLay Should Quit As House Leader
"Tom's conduct is hurting the Republican Party, is hurting this Republican majority and it is hurting any Republican who is up for re-election," Rep. Chris Shays, R-Conn., told The Associated Press in an interview, calling for DeLay to step down as majority leader.
"My party is going to have to decide whether we are going to continue to make excuses for Tom to the detriment of Republicans seeking election," Shays said.
dannybin1742
Platinum Member
do you even understand why they are filibustering those 10 judges?
those judges have never and will never stand behind the rights of the people, thier records have shown that they always side with corporations over individuals, and in one case, one of the nominees has no experience at being a judge
also the dems have approved 200+ judges in the last 4 years already whats 10 when they have approved 95%
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