"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

[BUTCH1]

http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...ial_helps_patriots_tackle_the_new_brady_rule/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/160081-how-the-brady-rule-will-kill-football

http://www.naplesnews.com/sports/other-sports/nfl-brady-rule-ruffles-feathers-ditka-and-other-re

Brady rule sorry

also, physical harm isn't automatically implied when it comes to the word "protection" even in football. The NFL helped Brady out when he needed it by not taking away the ball when he FUMBLED and it all of a sudden didn't apply in the 2013 AFC championship game since it wasn't against Brady. It was an insurance policy to help out the Pats and Brady, that is a form of PROTECTION on GODells golden boy and the team that brings in the $$$.

No, it was adjustment to an ALREADY EXISTING RULE put in place following the injury to Palmer and also injuries to Ben R and another QB, "On the Bengals' first pass play, Carson Palmer threw a 66-yard pass to rookie receiver Chris Henry. It was the longest completion in Bengals playoff history. After Palmer released the pass, Steelers defensive tackle Kimo von Oelhoffen was pushed from behind while diving for Palmer, violently wrenching Palmer's knee, and he was forced to leave the game. A magnetic resonance imaging test revealed a severe knee injury, thought to be career-threatening at the time; Palmer had tears of both the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments as well as cartilage and meniscus damage. Coincidentally, Henry himself suffered a knee injury on the same play, though far less severe. Having knocked Palmer out of the game the Steelers went on to win 31–17.

During the off-season, the league's Rules Committee modified the rule regarding low hits on quarterbacks. The new rule prohibited defenders from hitting a passer at or below the knee unless they are blocked into him. The so-called "Carson Palmer Rule" now requires that defenders take every opportunity to avoid hitting a quarterback at or below the knees when the quarterback is in a defenseless position looking to throw with both feet on the ground".

The rule was slightly modified following Brady's injury to include players already on the ground from lunging at a QB's legs. Bottom line is the NFL is a mullti-billion dollar business and the Manning's, Brady's, Palmer's are what sell a LOT of tickets and the league want's those players on the field, not on season-ending IR rehabbing a torn ACL.

 

[waggy]

No, it was adjustment to an ALREADY EXISTING RULE put in place following the injury to Palmer and also injuries to Ben R and another QB, "On the Bengals' first pass play, Carson Palmer threw a 66-yard pass to rookie receiver Chris Henry. It was the longest completion in Bengals playoff history. After Palmer released the pass, Steelers defensive tackle Kimo von Oelhoffen was pushed from behind while diving for Palmer, violently wrenching Palmer's knee, and he was forced to leave the game. A magnetic resonance imaging test revealed a severe knee injury, thought to be career-threatening at the time; Palmer had tears of both the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments as well as cartilage and meniscus damage. Coincidentally, Henry himself suffered a knee injury on the same play, though far less severe. Having knocked Palmer out of the game the Steelers went on to win 31–17.

During the off-season, the league's Rules Committee modified the rule regarding low hits on quarterbacks. The new rule prohibited defenders from hitting a passer at or below the knee unless they are blocked into him. The so-called "Carson Palmer Rule" now requires that defenders take every opportunity to avoid hitting a quarterback at or below the knees when the quarterback is in a defenseless position looking to throw with both feet on the ground".

The rule was slightly modified following Brady's injury to include players already on the ground from lunging at a QB's legs. Bottom line is the NFL is a mullti-billion dollar business and the Manning's, Brady's, Palmer's are what sell a LOT of tickets and the league want's those players on the field, not on season-ending IR rehabbing a torn ACL.

It also makes sense. In fact i would like to see it on all players.

Going for a guys knees can stop a guys career.

 

[BUTCH1]

I love how you get to omit Moss cause you just make up rules as you go along. Typical Cheatriots fan.

Welker went to the Broncos and got 10 TD's in 2013 and that is after suffering concussions and being past his prime. That is more than he got in any year being tossed to by Brady.

I would say Gronk but like a typical Deflatriots fan you omitted TE's.

Faulk, Branch and Brown would be #1 on a team if Manning, Brees or Big Ben throwing to them.

Seriously man if you think Brady is alone out there you are blind as fvck. Poor poor argument and I even played by your crappy rules you made up like a 12 year old.

I doesn't take a football genius to realize that if you have two TE's like Gronk and (former) Hernandez the offensive coach is going to call plays that utilize their height abilities to get TD's in the red zone. Welker did play a pivotal role while in NE as the go-to guy on third down, despite the SB drop I will have nothing but respect for that dude, he took many vicious hits catching those 1st down passes. You sound like a bitter Denver fan who's living with the brutal fact that the GM went full-bore with FA signings and has managed only an AFC championship win against a crippled Patriots team followed by a laughingstock blow-out SB appearance, then this season they get booted out of the playoff's AT HOME against Indy. Now your left with a fired coach, many free-agents,(18) to try and re-sign and a QB who is clearly one of the best to ever take to the field, but now appears his body is failing him and will probably (and smartly) retire. The AFC west torch will now be passed to SD or KC, Denver will be lucky to go 8-8 next year.

 

[purbeast0]

http://ryan-sawtelle.squarespace.co...son-you-hate-the-patriots-is-because-they-win

this about sums up the thread.

 

[BUTCH1]

It also makes sense. In fact i would like to see it on all players.

Going for a guys knees can stop a guys career.

Yea, just ask TJ Ward who mangled Gronks ACL with a blow to the knee, yes it was a legal hit but I don't buy his explanation of "it's the only way to tackle him", bullshit, wrap-up the legs and he goes down, just like anyone else. As a Patriots fan I was very disappointed by some things said by Browner this week in reference to the two Seattle players playing with injuries, "try and break that arm"..,ugh, as if the Pat's are not already hated enough. I say it's fair game to force Sherman to use his arm and make a tackle, same with Earl Thomas who suffered a separated shoulder against GB, he appears to be OK and will start but if your the Pat's you will force him to make some tackles against Gronk or possibly Blount and test how well he holds up but deliberate hits to an injured player's arm or shoulder is bush-leauge IMO and Browner had no business making those remarks.

 

[BUTCH1]

this about sums up the thread.

Yup, from the blog,
"You hate the Patriots because they are good. Not because you think they’re cheaters.

You don’t care when bad teams cheat. Hell, you don’t care when any other team besides the Patriots is accused of cheating. You care more about the Patriots being accused of cheating than other teams actually cheating. It has gotten to that point and it’s out of hand. The lengths that you will go to justify the Patriots dominance over the last 15 years is laughable.

The Patriots - the team that beats your team on a consistent basis for so long and it just pisses your shit off.

You’re frustrated."

Anyway, to lighten things up a bit Jimmy Kimmel aired a hilarious video on his show, "I am the locker room guy"..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feuNeJewzDo

 

[emperus]

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[cubby1223]

http://ryan-sawtelle.squarespace.co...son-you-hate-the-patriots-is-because-they-win

except... they don't. Their greatest margin of victory in a Super Bowl is 3 points. I forget the details, but I recall at least two of the years it was questionable they should have even been in that spot (like spying on the Rams, the Raiders "Tuck Rule" game).

How about the previous Super Bowl the Pats were in? That was the year the Bears threw up shutouts in both playoff games before trouncing Tony Eason and the '85 Patriots in a 46-10 final score. Combined post-season score for the Bears that year? 91-10. That is a dominant team.


But I'll tell you straight up why people don't like the Patriots. It's because Patriots fans get all super-pissy if anyone dares to question the awesomeness of their chosen team.

Couple months ago overheard a Pats fan bragging to a group how awesome his team was because they went undefeated a whole season. I jumped in to confirm with him if the Patriots in fact went 19-0 or not.

 

[SSSnail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FAT_pRqo3w

 

[purbeast0]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FAT_pRqo3w

hahahaha that was pretty good.

 

[BUTCH1]

except... they don't. Their greatest margin of victory in a Super Bowl is 3 points. I forget the details, but I recall at least two of the years it was questionable they should have even been in that spot (like spying on the Rams, the Raiders "Tuck Rule" game).

How about the previous Super Bowl the Pats were in? That was the year the Bears threw up shutouts in both playoff games before trouncing Tony Eason and the '85 Patriots in a 46-10 final score. Combined post-season score for the Bears that year? 91-10. That is a dominant team.


But I'll tell you straight up why people don't like the Patriots. It's because Patriots fans get all super-pissy if anyone dares to question the awesomeness of their chosen team.

Couple months ago overheard a Pats fan bragging to a group how awesome his team was because they went undefeated a whole season. I jumped in to confirm with him if the Patriots in fact went 19-0 or not.

Except your full of crap, a "Super-bowl" is a game between the two best teams in the NFL in any given year, are you really surprised when they are close, hard-fought games?. I also call shens on the "Pat's fan" that did not know they lost the SB game to the Giants, IT WAS THE MOST WATCHED SB IN HISTORY@ 97 MILLION, and your claiming your "fan" didn't know the Giants won?. The 2 they lost to the Giants were by a combined 7 points as well, again, two good teams playing a competitive game, it's never supposed to be a blowout. As for the tuck ruling the Pat's had ZERO involvement in the decision by Waly Coleman to rule it a non-fumble AND the Raiders won the toss in OT and did NOTHING and also did NOTHING to stop the Pat's from kicking the game-winning FG from 23 yds. Please get back to us with ANY shred of credible evidence that the Rams walk-through was taped and shown to the Pat's, you can't because a reporter did a story based on a "source" but never vetted out that "source" one bit and in fact the paper printed a retraction and an apology to the Pat's afterwards. Meanwhile the Pat's continue to win more games and generate more hatred, tough shit, deal with it.

 

[emperus]

Not to beat a dead horse. But here is another study on NFL ball deflation based on temperature increase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkKlr7YOlig

{Edit: They basically took two balls inflated them to 12.6 and 13.4 PSI at 74 deg. Put them both in a climate machine which cooled them to 50 deg. And both balls dropped below the NFL threshold. The 12.6 ball dropped to 11.5 and even the 13.4 psi ball dropped to 12.3 (outside NFL range)). What's noticeable is that these tests didn't take into account the rain, just the temperature. They then did a second test and showed how some rubbing of the ball heated up the ball.}

I am very curious to learn more about the testing done at half time. Also, very curious how the Colts balls weren't underinflated per the NFL specs (if the tests were done immediately at halftime) as well unless they were initially overinflated (greater than 13.5 PSI when their balls reached equilibrium at 75 degrees) or the Colts were hearting their balls up during the game.

 

[BUTCH1]

Not to beat a dead horse. But here is another study on NFL ball deflation based on temperature increase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkKlr7YOlig

I am very curious to learn more about the testing done at half time. Also, very curious how the Colts balls weren't underinflated per the NFL specs (if the tests were done immediately at halftime) as well unless they were initially overinflated (greater than 13.5 PSI when their balls reached equilibrium at 75 degrees) or the Colts were hearting their balls up during the game.

Yea, that's the great unknown here, if the Pat's inflated theirs to 12.5 they would have checked as OK by the pre-game inspection only to have fallen after being out in the cold, wet, windy conditions during the game. Also unknown was the pre-game PSI of Indy's balls, were they set at 13.5 and fell to 12.5 during the half-time inspection but they would still be "within the rules" of the NFL. By lacking ANY type of logging of the PSI's of the balls the NFL has essentially blown up it's own case of the Pat's tampering. IMPO the Pat's inflated to 12.5 PSI, prepped the balls by vigorously scuffing them up then sent them to the ref's for check, at that point the ball's PSI probably jumped .5 PSI from the heat generated by the scuffing process so now 3.5 hours later that temporary raise AND the proven effect of the elements caused them to fall below 12.5 when checked at halftime. doesn't help the NFL's case that the ref's do not log anything pre-game nor did they log anything during the halftime check, reports have surfaced that only one ball was 2 PSI off, the rest around 1-1.25 off from 12.5

 

[BeeBoop]

Even if the NFL clears the Patriots, I'm afraid the damage is already done. They'll be forever branded as cheaters. People I know that do not watch any football at all are call them cheaters. lol

 

[Capt Caveman]

Even if the NFL clears the Patriots, I'm afraid the damage is already done. They'll be forever branded as cheaters. People I know that do not watch any football at all are call them cheaters. lol

And over time, nobody will care. SF were called cheaters when they won their SBs. The Broncos were caught cheating during their SBs and penalized by the NFL.

 

[BrokenVisage]

And over time, nobody will care. SF were called cheaters when they won their SBs. The Broncos were caught cheating during their SBs and penalized by the NFL.

And yet you remember these past cheaters, just like people will remember the Patriots as cheaters, whether they "care" or not.

 

[Capt Caveman]

And yet you remember these past cheaters, just like people will remember the Patriots as cheaters, whether they "care" or not.

I've been a football fan for a long time. Casual fans don't remember them. Most folks here don't remember them. They just want to hate.

 

[BUTCH1]

Some breaking news from NFL.com, seems most of the balls just barley fell below the 12.5 league spec and from the article "Many of them were just a few ticks under the minimum". So it's looking more and more that the probable explanation was that the Pat's inflated them to 12.5 PSI and the wet, cold, windy conditions caused them to drop a few ticks below that amount. We have no idea what PSI the Colt's balls were inflated to before game-time as their is no log created during testing, if theirs were inflated to 13-13.5 then they would have fallen as well but still remained within the 12.5 PSI lower-limit spec when tested at halftime. The lone ball that tested at 2 PSI low is in possession of the league.http://http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000466783/article/more-details-on-the-investigation-of-patriots-deflated-footballs

 

[Capt Caveman]

Some breaking news from NFL.com, seems most of the balls just barley fell below the 12.5 league spec and from the article "Many of them were just a few ticks under the minimum". So it's looking more and more that the probable explanation was that the Pat's inflated them to 12.5 PSI and the wet, cold, windy conditions caused them to drop a few ticks below that amount. We have no idea what PSI the Colt's balls were inflated to before game-time as their is no log created during testing, if theirs were inflated to 13-13.5 then they would have fallen as well but still remained within the 12.5 PSI lower-limit spec when tested at halftime. The lone ball that tested at 2 PSI low is in possession of the league.http://http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000466783/article/more-details-on-the-investigation-of-patriots-deflated-footballs

The only one that was way under was the one handled by the Indy Equipment Manager. Suspicious?

 

[Anubis]

Some breaking news from NFL.com, seems most of the balls just barley fell below the 12.5 league spec and from the article "Many of them were just a few ticks under the minimum". So it's looking more and more that the probable explanation was that the Pat's inflated them to 12.5 PSI and the wet, cold, windy conditions caused them to drop a few ticks below that amount. We have no idea what PSI the Colt's balls were inflated to before game-time as their is no log created during testing, if theirs were inflated to 13-13.5 then they would have fallen as well but still remained within the 12.5 PSI lower-limit spec when tested at halftime. The lone ball that tested at 2 PSI low is in possession of the league.http://http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000466783/article/more-details-on-the-investigation-of-patriots-deflated-footballs

 

[BUTCH1]

Yea, that's about the size of it, people were making determinations before any hard facts became available, when the story first broke the League said "balls deflated by 2 PSI" which instantly galvanized the already haters into a collective howl, "cheating again!!" if they had released the info that several of the balls just barley fell below the 12.5 threshold opinions might have been different. Fucking Troy Aikman, "you must ban Brady from the SB", what a colossal jelly pile of washed-up F-ing dung-bag, then "the bus" who was blabbering on ESPN, "shame on you tom Brady", F-you too you fat sack of gas, probably a little sore over being booted out of the AFC championship game AT HOME by the Pat's, TWICE. I hope a bus runs you over, no, I take that back, I wouldn't want an innocent bus getting F-'ed up smacking into that ball of shit.

 

[waggy]

The only one that was way under was the one handled by the Indy Equipment Manager. Suspicious?

kinda. but nothing to make a big scene about.


so the balls were just under the rate. not the 2 PSI first reported or even the 1 PSI latter reported.

soo. the NFL fucked over the pats for what?

 

[BUTCH1]

kinda. but nothing to make a big scene about.


so the balls were just under the rate. not the 2 PSI first reported or even the 1 PSI latter reported.

soo. the NFL fucked over the pats for what?

Ratings is what. As soon as they beat Indy the TV outlook took a nosedive, now we have the Pat's as the "villains" again and the Hawks as the happy-go-lucky guys that just show up and play extremely hard, expect the crowd at the game to be very biased against the Pat's.

 

[emperus]

Some breaking news from NFL.com, seems most of the balls just barley fell below the 12.5 league spec and from the article "Many of them were just a few ticks under the minimum". So it's looking more and more that the probable explanation was that the Pat's inflated them to 12.5 PSI and the wet, cold, windy conditions caused them to drop a few ticks below that amount. We have no idea what PSI the Colt's balls were inflated to before game-time as their is no log created during testing, if theirs were inflated to 13-13.5 then they would have fallen as well but still remained within the 12.5 PSI lower-limit spec when tested at halftime. The lone ball that tested at 2 PSI low is in possession of the league.http://http://www.nfl.com/news/stor...-investigation-of-patriots-deflated-footballs

I can't believe that the NFL would make this big a deal over this unless someone had an agenda. Still looking forward to seeing the final report and number (if they even wrote them down smh).

 

[BudAshes]

Why wouldn't the league just implement softer balls if it was so much better for offense? They've done everything short of shackle the defenders to make the league higher scoring. As I said before this is just stupid and everyone that jumped all over this should feel like an idiot.