Toddlers with ADD/ADHD, wtf??

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: conjur
How many ADD kids does it take to change a lightbulb?



















Wanna go bike riding?

How many able bodied persons does it take to screw in a light bulb?





















one

 

[LordRaiden]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
How many able bodied persons does it take to screw in a light bulb?
one

hehehehe.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Monel Funkawitz
The FDA was bought out a long time ago by the drug companies themselves. (You can find proof on this if you do a little reasearch. I did a paper on this once) The trend now is to create a new drug, then create a disease for it.

The thing that has me concerned is alot of drug companies are based in outside countries. There is alot of people out there that want to break up the US, and have been trying for a long time. Take it how you want, it is my opinion.

Until the American public has the balls to stand up as one and say "Enough", then you will keep seeing more and more drugs being released for BS ailments.

Your posts on the Pharma industry are so full of sh!t it is disturbing

 

[LordRaiden]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Monel Funkawitz
The FDA was bought out a long time ago by the drug companies themselves. (You can find proof on this if you do a little reasearch. I did a paper on this once) The trend now is to create a new drug, then create a disease for it.

The thing that has me concerned is alot of drug companies are based in outside countries. There is alot of people out there that want to break up the US, and have been trying for a long time. Take it how you want, it is my opinion.

Until the American public has the balls to stand up as one and say "Enough", then you will keep seeing more and more drugs being released for BS ailments.

Your posts on the Pharma industry are so full of sh!t it is disturbing

Well, they're really hateful posts because he lost a sister to a perscription gone bad. So he's got a chip on his shoulder for the entire medical industry. Or at the very least, the drug companies.

 

[johnjohn320]

Well yeah, it's no mystery that ADD/ADHD is horribly over-diagnosed. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm sure some some people genuinely have it. But yeah, toddlers? Gimme a break, every toddler is ADD. The medication is a backhand.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: LordRaiden
Hehehe. I've been so distracted by my ADD before that I've walked into walls, poles, people, fell off balcony's, down stairs, etc.

I think everyone has done stuff like walking into their share of thing, I've even done an F16, but not falling off a balcony. That doesn't mean ADD caused it, people all the time get distracted. I'm glad your parents took you off the drugs and got you into something with structure in it. It wasn't probably easy for them to handle you, but I'm sure you are better off now that you learn some discpline instead of hiding behind meds. My wife is a school teacher so she deals with students that take their pills to calm down, it makes her job easier, but as people say it is widely over-prescribed. She can usually tell just by speaking with the students parents which ones have behavior problems. The homes that most of these kids come from are very chaotic. She started this school year friday and had a parent come in with their ADD child. Now this lady has 4 kids and didn't want to bring her kids in to school, so she asked her four kids if they wanted to go to school, 3 of them said yes, and the one that said no was concidently the one in my wife's class. So she told my wife that since majority wins, they had to go to school. Where is the parental authority in letting your kids decide if they should go to school. Now I don't know if the other 3 kids this lady has are on meds for ADD but it seriously wouldn't surprise me.

This reminds me of the elephant story from couple years ago. Somewhere in Africa, poachers were killing of some of the adult elephants and the juvenile elephant were acting up killing people and just causing a ruckus. So they had to import some older elephants into the herd and that pretty much solved the behavior problems of the younger ones. It's amazing what an authoritive figure can do with young.

KK

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: KK
What the fvck has this world come to? I was browsing some posts over at webmd, and its pretty disturbing. Mothers thinking their 2 and 3 year olds have this problem. First off, they're just kids. What kid isn't active at that age. I think what they want are drugged zombies that don't take any parenting skill what so ever. People like that do not need to have children.

Drugging is an extremely small part of a solution, as well. Not to mention, I agree...all a 2-5 year old will need to act like they have an attention problem is to have a coke or two .

As far as all the other people out there diagnosed with ADD/ADHD why not force yourself to focus, do something that requires discpline like martial arts or something like that.

Forcing one's focus doesn't work, which is the whole problem.

Sure the medicine will get you to focus, but are you going to have to take it the rest of your life, I'm sure thats just what the drug companies want.

But see, God already gave the perfect ADD drug to us. Coffee!
For me, anyway, coffee works and has no side effects, unlike any drugs I've tried (not to mention it tastes good).

I associate the drugs for ADD/ADHD with steriods. You can work out with steriods and get big fast whereas if you didn't take them it would take more work to get maybe as big as you would on steriods.

Not the best analogy, but it works. The drugs can work. I'm in college, and it's a night and day difference in the classroom when I have or don't have some good coffee before I get there. However, reading up on what it is and what other people have done in their lives because of it and to help themselves deal with it works more than anything else.
Basically, have the person with it and those around them most of the time (friends and family) read Driven to Distraction. I'd personally recommend this book as much for content as for how it is written. One of those books where you start making connections to events and actions you didn't quite see before.

ADD isn't new--schools with 150 children per teacher are new, as are families often moving farther away from one another. I'd be a depressed dropout if my parents hadn't been the ones to raise me, because my dad and my mother's brothers very clearly all have ADD (so before one of my teachers suggested going to a shrink, they knew how to deal with it for me at home). But they all grew up in a small town and weren't expected to meet a standard status quo at early ages.

KK

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: conjur
How many ADD kids does it take to change a lightbulb?
{snip}
Wanna go bike riding?

although, actually the answer is one, because they'll be thinking about the lightbulb while they ride the bikes.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Monel Funkawitz
The FDA was bought out a long time ago by the drug companies themselves. (You can find proof on this if you do a little reasearch. I did a paper on this once) The trend now is to create a new drug, then create a disease for it.

The thing that has me concerned is alot of drug companies are based in outside countries. There is alot of people out there that want to break up the US, and have been trying for a long time. Take it how you want, it is my opinion.

Until the American public has the balls to stand up as one and say "Enough", then you will keep seeing more and more drugs being released for BS ailments.

Agreed.
ADD is not BS. However, it is also not an ailment to be treated like a headache. When that mindset stops, it will once again go below the radar, like it has been for several tens of thousands of years.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Monel Funkawitz

WTF is this about? You spammed this in another thread. What does this have to do with ADD/ADHD?

ADD/ADHD and medication are always in the same sentence. Always. Unless you sit in the middle of a room for 24/7 and drool incessantly, then immediately you are diagnosed with ADD. "Here, take these drugs. You are not normal. You can't sit still." Bullsh*t. I like doing new and different things, and if I am not interested in something, I get bored. #1 symptom of ADD? I think not.

Getting bored? No. Getting frustrated beyond belief, and having strange fits when bored: yes. Whther day-dreaming uncontrollably or bouncing off the walls.

I posted this because I think the FDA is the root of all this bogus crap. ADD, AHAD, Social Dysfunction Syndrome, blah. If you look at the warning signs of any of these, EVERY person has them. Drug everyone so they walk around like zombies? It doesn't just apply to toddlers, but everyone.

The FDA is not, the people's belief in pills is. Drugs can help, but they are not a solution for mroe than a few small things. I learn quickly in a small group, and I can usually manage many different streams of input...multiple conversations at once, for instance (as in, two people next to me, and conversing with both), and when I'm on a short deadline, can focus on one thing like no tomorrow...but I have no control over it. I can't fabricate the deadlines (I've tried), for example.

My cousin was diagnosed with ADD when she was 14. GREAT student in school, lots of friends. She was put on medication, and it burned her out. Dropped out of school, and commited suicide. Hell of a change, huh?

Yeah...why wasn't she taken off the meds? If it does mroe harm than good, you stop. Period. I've been on enough prescription drugs to know.

 

[Jzero]

ROFL! "I think my 2-year-old has ADD. The little brat has the attention span of a 2 year old!"

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I work @ a teaching hospital with daily contact with psychiatrists & psych residents, I'd say that among them 95% feel medication for an ADD/ADHD kid is appropriate and necessary.

I have an 11 year old daughter with ADD/processing speed issues, dyslexia, inattentive disorder, etc, etc. Her biological father had it & her mother is prob borderline ADD/ADHD, so this kid got a double shot of the genetics that cause ADD/ADHD.

Sounds like me. After I got diagnosed, it was very clear that I got it from both sides of the family. BTW, what are processing speed issues?

She's a beautiful child, we do not medicate her during the summer, but I can see that she'd be a nightmare in class.

As long as she isn't bored, it'll be fine, so..uhh....yeah, nightmarish fiend in little girl's body .

Literally thousands of dollars & many many hours having her tested have helped her/us find the right medication that allows her to almost keep up in school, note that I said almost... As time progresses, she will fall further & further behind her classmates and it'll be a real struggle to keep her in school in her mid to late teens

Been there. I don't know what you should do there, but try something...being the kid everyone asked about problems they couldn't get, and then watching them get a high A while I was amazed I managed a low B is not easy...made me feel like a living paradox.
I got it, but I couldn't prove it as well as the kids who didn't get it.

The argument could be made that school is much more intense nowdays, & where she could have skated through 25-50 years ago, nowdays, grades, advancement are pretty well test/skill driven.

Based on my parents and uncles, and my elementary school experience, it's about the environment. At home I've always done well, because I have control, at school I don't. In college now, finding the good professors makes the difference beteen failing and getting an A for me.
The one thing I've found about this, is that the teachers and professors (can't call e'm the same thing, as the professors have bigger egos ) who are considered bad by students, are concerned with how things get done. The good ones are concerned that things done, but aren't worried about the steps taken to get there, as long as they see some work done.

IMHO, ADD/ADHD is very real, and I promise that some of you-all will be blessed with children with learning disabilities and learn the hard way, like I did that they need medication to fit in with the rest of the world nowdays...

That's what I still wonder about. Not the medication bit, but the fitting in bit.

I was very opposed to medication, and have come around through my experince with my daughter.

For me, every pharmaceutical medication I've use, save for Zyrtec, has had some kind of negative effect. However, I follow after my mother in medical issues. She's had doctors tell her she should be dead, based on bloodwork.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: LordRaiden
Hehehe. I've been so distracted by my ADD before that I've walked into walls, poles, people, fell off balcony's, down stairs, etc.

Haha! I'll be glad I never graduated from ramming into door frames

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: LordRaiden
Hehehe. I've been so distracted by my ADD before that I've walked into walls, poles, people, fell off balcony's, down stairs, etc.

I think everyone has done stuff like walking into their share of thing, I've even done an F16, but not falling off a balcony. That doesn't mean ADD caused it, people all the time get distracted. I'm glad your parents took you off the drugs and got you into something with structure in it. It wasn't probably easy for them to handle you, but I'm sure you are better off now that you learn some discpline instead of hiding behind meds. My wife is a school teacher so she deals with students that take their pills to calm down, it makes her job easier, but as people say it is widely over-prescribed. She can usually tell just by speaking with the students parents which ones have behavior problems. The homes that most of these kids come from are very chaotic. She started this school year friday and had a parent come in with their ADD child. Now this lady has 4 kids and didn't want to bring her kids in to school, so she asked her four kids if they wanted to go to school, 3 of them said yes, and the one that said no was concidently the one in my wife's class. So she told my wife that since majority wins, they had to go to school. Where is the parental authority in letting your kids decide if they should go to school. Now I don't know if the other 3 kids this lady has are on meds for ADD but it seriously wouldn't surprise me.

Yeah, I think people like this need to learn from Southpark (Timmy 2000).

KK

 

[gordy]

Originally posted by: LordRaiden I've taken years of Martial arts and for me they didn't really help with my ability to focus. I learned that in other ways. One thing that impressed my martial arts teacher wasn't my ability to focus (which I did have a lot of problems with), but rather my ability to learn very quickly with the aid of ADD and my ability to track multiple targets and react to them all.

that says alot about it, you learn quick and while others are catching up bored and restlessness sets in, I was the same way in school, the teacher was telling me something I already knew or I learned it qucikly and grew bored and entertained myself with cutting up or doodling... it does seem though a big conspiracy to suppress males from being males...