Toddlers with ADD/ADHD, wtf??

[KK]

What the fvck has this world come to? I was browsing some posts over at webmd, and its pretty disturbing. Mothers thinking their 2 and 3 year olds have this problem. First off, they're just kids. What kid isn't active at that age. I think what they want are drugged zombies that don't take any parenting skill what so ever. People like that do not need to have children.

As far as all the other people out there diagnosed with ADD/ADHD why not force yourself to focus, do something that requires discpline like martial arts or something like that. Sure the medicine will get you to focus, but are you going to have to take it the rest of your life, I'm sure thats just what the drug companies want. I associate the drugs for ADD/ADHD with steriods. You can work out with steriods and get big fast whereas if you didn't take them it would take more work to get maybe as big as you would on steriods.

KK

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: KK
What the fvck has this world come to? I was browsing some posts over at webmd, and its pretty disturbing. Mothers thinking their 2 and 3 year olds have this problem. First off, they're just kids. What kid isn't active at that age. I think what they want are drugged zombies that don't take any parenting skill what so ever. People like that do not need to have children.

As far as all the other people out there diagnosed with ADD/ADHD why not force yourself to focus, do something that requires discpline like martial arts or something like that. Sure the medicine will get you to focus, but are you going to have to take it the rest of your life, I'm sure thats just what the drug companies want. I associate the drugs for ADD/ADHD with steriods. You can work out with steriods and get big fast whereas if you didn't take them it would take more work to get maybe as big as you would on steriods.

KK

yeah its seriously stupid, they shouldnt diagnose children at all imo, how the hell can you expect a TODDLER to pay attention to anything, its a friggin baby.

 

[conjur]

How many ADD kids does it take to change a lightbulb?



















Wanna go bike riding?

 

[Monel Funkawitz]

The FDA was bought out a long time ago by the drug companies themselves. (You can find proof on this if you do a little reasearch. I did a paper on this once) The trend now is to create a new drug, then create a disease for it.

The thing that has me concerned is alot of drug companies are based in outside countries. There is alot of people out there that want to break up the US, and have been trying for a long time. Take it how you want, it is my opinion.

Until the American public has the balls to stand up as one and say "Enough", then you will keep seeing more and more drugs being released for BS ailments.

 

[LordRaiden]

Well, I agree too, to a point. I am ADHD, not so much Hyperactive anymore as just ADD. (darned old age) Makes it a royal b'ch to concentrate sometimes, othertimes I hyperfocus on a particular item and block out the world. I agree that they probubly shouldn't be diagnosing 2 year olds for ADHD as at that age it's hard to tell, but they should definately check them for it just before they enter school. I wasn't officially diagnosed with ADHD until I was in my 2nd year of HS. And all this time they wondered why I couldn't concentrate and I was always bouncing off the walls. I think if they would have caught my ADHD early they could have helped me learn how to control it much earlier and made a big difference in school for me.

I also agree that drugs are not needed. Focusing excersizes are. I've taken years of Martial arts and for me they didn't really help with my ability to focus. I learned that in other ways. One thing that impressed my martial arts teacher wasn't my ability to focus (which I did have a lot of problems with), but rather my ability to learn very quickly with the aid of ADD and my ability to track multiple targets and react to them all. That impressed him a lot. Everyone's ADD or ADHD is different. Focus for me is still a difficult thing to achieve and keep, but my abilities in other areas is exceptional. For me, computers were what taught me to focus. Once I would lock myself onto one thing on the computer, hours could go by and I'd never know. I'd go from not being able to focus to being hyper focused. So I would say it depends on the person really. Each solution should be taylored to the individual. What may work for me may not work for you. And drugs are most definately not the right answer. They're just a cheap cop-out for someone who doesn't want to expend the time and energy needed to solve the true root of the issue.

 

[LordRaiden]

Originally posted by: Monel Funkawitz
The FDA was bought out a long time ago by the drug companies themselves. (You can find proof on this if you do a little reasearch. I did a paper on this once) The trend now is to create a new drug, then create a disease for it.

The thing that has me concerned is alot of drug companies are based in outside countries. There is alot of people out there that want to break up the US, and have been trying for a long time. Take it how you want, it is my opinion.

Until the American public has the balls to stand up as one and say "Enough", then you will keep seeing more and more drugs being released for BS ailments.

WTF is this about? You spammed this in another thread. What does this have to do with ADD/ADHD?

 

As far as all the other people out there diagnosed with ADD/ADHD why not force yourself to focus, do something that requires discipline like martial arts or something like that. Sure the medicine will get you to focus, but are you going to have to take it the rest of your life, I'm sure thats just what the drug companies want. I associate the drugs for ADD/ADHD with steroids. You can work out with steroids and get big fast whereas if you didn't take them it would take more work to get maybe as big as you would on steroids.

You have very limited knowledge and experience with ADD/ADHD my friend, my little guy has ADHD, he cannot control himself, children do not have the mental facilities and emotional control as adults do, even so, some adults with this affliction cannot control their behavior just by concentrating harder or by using martial arts discipline, it's like asking a epileptic (I am one) to control their seizures.

 

[LordRaiden]

Originally posted by: Roger

As far as all the other people out there diagnosed with ADD/ADHD why not force yourself to focus, do something that requires discipline like martial arts or something like that. Sure the medicine will get you to focus, but are you going to have to take it the rest of your life, I'm sure thats just what the drug companies want. I associate the drugs for ADD/ADHD with steroids. You can work out with steroids and get big fast whereas if you didn't take them it would take more work to get maybe as big as you would on steroids.

You have very limited knowledge and experience with ADD/ADHD my friend, my little guy has ADHD, he cannot control himself, children do not have the mental facilities and emotional control as adults do, even so, some adults with this affliction cannot control their behavior just by concentrating harder or by using martial arts discipline, it's like asking a epileptic (I am one) to control their seizures.

Amen to that. Well said Roger. KK, try being ADD and trying to concentrate on a day when your ADD is going full steam. It's freaking near impossible. Picture yourself sitting in front of the TV changing channels every 2 seconds. Kinda hard to lock in on anything and really concentrate on it, isn't it? Now imagine that's your mind doing that. Think you wouldn't have a hard time concentrating or trying to control your mind? Martial arts or other mental disciplines give you the tools to learn how to control the disorder, but beyond that you're on your own, and it's no easy battle.

 

[slackerinabox]

I had ADD for years and it went undiagnosed because my parents followed the "ADD is BS" mentality.. They put me in martial arts classes, tried to teach me how to play an instrument, and screamed at me demanding that I just focus and pay attention.. Didn't work.. Now I'm in college and taking ritalin and it's helping beyond belief.. It's not a placebo effect because I did take other drugs that did not help at all (stratera, etc).So now my self confidence is up and I'm concentrating more in class.. Reading is not a chore anymore either.. so ADD is real, but I do agree that drugs are over perscribed (in general, not just with ADD)

 

[her209]

We live in a age where hard work comes second to popping a pill. Look at weight loss.

 

[Monel Funkawitz]

[qWTF is this about? You spammed this in another thread. What does this have to do with ADD/ADHD? [/quote]

ADD/ADHD and medication are always in the same sentence. Always. Unless you sit in the middle of a room for 24/7 and drool incessantly, then immediately you are diagnosed with ADD. "Here, take these drugs. You are not normal. You can't sit still." Bullsh*t. I like doing new and different things, and if I am not interested in something, I get bored. #1 symptom of ADD? I think not.

I posted this because I think the FDA is the root of all this bogus crap. ADD, AHAD, Social Dysfunction Syndrome, blah. If you look at the warning signs of any of these, EVERY person has them. Drug everyone so they walk around like zombies? It doesn't just apply to toddlers, but everyone.

My cousin was diagnosed with ADD when she was 14. GREAT student in school, lots of friends. She was put on medication, and it burned her out. Dropped out of school, and commited suicide. Hell of a change, huh?

 

[Lvis]

I was told when my boy was eighteen months old that he would probably be diagnosed with ADHD.

They were right.


I knew something was up when he was only six months old.

It really pisses us parents off when we here people say " It's bad parenting, is all" or " it's a food allergy, stop giving him _______ and he will be fine" . Crap like that.


All ADHD kids are a little different, but none are easy to deal with as young children. It is exhausting. The stress involved can drive you nuts. Take your eyes off of them for a second in a crowded store, and off they go....

Mine is ten now, I have it pretty easy: compared with the years before age seven. I rather doubt the ladies at webmd were interested in putting their kids on Ritalin, Adderall, or one of the many other drugs available to people with ADHD.

For most parents it's a very difficult thing to do. It was for me.

 

[LordRaiden]

My parents put me on Ritalin for like 2 years. It made me worse. So they took me off of it and started me in Martial Arts. The funny part was it actually helped somewhat. Not to the degree they hoped, but it did help a little. Of course taking Judo classes and getting my a** beat across the mat many times probubly helped more in the maturity department than the ADD department. Of course maturity does tend to help you get a better grasp on your ADD as well, so yeah, it helped a bit. But it also gave me the tools to learn how to control my ADD.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
I had ADD for years and it went undiagnosed because my parents followed the "ADD is BS" mentality.. They put me in martial arts classes, tried to teach me how to play an instrument, and screamed at me demanding that I just focus and pay attention.. Didn't work.. Now I'm in college and taking ritalin and it's helping beyond belief.. It's not a placebo effect because I did take other drugs that did not help at all (stratera, etc).So now my self confidence is up and I'm concentrating more in class.. Reading is not a chore anymore either.. so ADD is real, but I do agree that drugs are over perscribed (in general, not just with ADD)

And how long are you going to be taking ritalin?

KK

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Roger

As far as all the other people out there diagnosed with ADD/ADHD why not force yourself to focus, do something that requires discipline like martial arts or something like that. Sure the medicine will get you to focus, but are you going to have to take it the rest of your life, I'm sure thats just what the drug companies want. I associate the drugs for ADD/ADHD with steroids. You can work out with steroids and get big fast whereas if you didn't take them it would take more work to get maybe as big as you would on steroids.

You have very limited knowledge and experience with ADD/ADHD my friend, my little guy has ADHD, he cannot control himself, children do not have the mental facilities and emotional control as adults do, even so, some adults with this affliction cannot control their behavior just by concentrating harder or by using martial arts discipline, it's like asking a epileptic (I am one) to control their seizures.

You are right, I won't disagree, that i have limited experience with ADD/ADHD. I have two little one, probably well younger than yours. The 2 year old is very active while the 8 month old you can tell is going to be a calmer kid. Is it bad that my 2 year old is very active, no. Should I medicate her to calm her down, hell no. You as a parent know your kid best, do you really believe that your kid was that out of control, or just being a kid. How much time did he sit in front of a tv or computer game? How many books did he read when he was growing up? Saying a epileptic is like a kid with ADHD is stretching it.

KK

 

[AngryKid]

Originally posted by: L vis
It is exhausting. The stress involved can drive you nuts. Take your eyes off of them for a second in a crowded store, and off they go....

Sounds pretty normal to me.

 

[Kev]

I'm sure all the armchair physicians in here know more than real doctors with Ph.D's about ADD.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: AngryKid

Originally posted by: L vis
It is exhausting. The stress involved can drive you nuts. Take your eyes off of them for a second in a crowded store, and off they go....

Sounds pretty normal to me.

that's the problem with diagnosis of ADD, they are hard to distinguish between what others call normal behavior. you have to wonder if it isn't sometime the Tolerance levels of the parents that determine whethor or not borderline cases are diagnosed as ADD or not.

 

[Spac3d]

Originally posted by: conjur
How many ADD kids does it take to change a lightbulb?


Wanna go bike riding?

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: L vis
I was told when my boy was eighteen months old that he would probably be diagnosed with ADHD.

They were right.


I knew something was up when he was only six months old.

It really pisses us parents off when we here people say " It's bad parenting, is all" or " it's a food allergy, stop giving him _______ and he will be fine" . Crap like that.


All ADHD kids are a little different, but none are easy to deal with as young children. It is exhausting. The stress involved can drive you nuts. Take your eyes off of them for a second in a crowded store, and off they go....

Mine is ten now, I have it pretty easy: compared with the years before age seven. I rather doubt the ladies at webmd were interested in putting their kids on Ritalin, Adderall, or one of the many other drugs available to people with ADHD.

For most parents it's a very difficult thing to do. It was for me.

True you can cannot group kids together, everyone is different. What is wrong with when you take your eyes off your child in the store they take off? Other than the safety issue nowadays, back when it was safe that was okay, kids will do that. I don't know about the food allergy contributing to this condition but did you give him sugar? Also what activities have you made him do that forces him to focus? I understand it must have been hard to drug your child up, but look know, your child is easier to deal with now. Was it worth the pay off?

KK

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Kev
I'm sure all the armchair physicians in here know more than real doctors with Ph.D's about ADD.

I'm sure that there are quite a few doctors that disagree with the treatment methods other doctors use to fix the behavoir problem.

KK

 

[Pliablemoose]

I work @ a teaching hospital with daily contact with psychiatrists & psych residents, I'd say that among them 95% feel medication for an ADD/ADHD kid is appropriate and necessary.

I have an 11 year old daughter with ADD/processing speed issues, dyslexia, inattentive disorder, etc, etc. Her biological father had it & her mother is prob borderline ADD/ADHD, so this kid got a double shot of the genetics that cause ADD/ADHD.

She's a beautiful child, we do not medicate her during the summer, but I can see that she'd be a nightmare in class.

Literally thousands of dollars & many many hours having her tested have helped her/us find the right medication that allows her to almost keep up in school, note that I said almost... As time progresses, she will fall further & further behind her classmates and it'll be a real struggle to keep her in school in her mid to late teens

The argument could be made that school is much more intense nowdays, & where she could have skated through 25-50 years ago, nowdays, grades, advancement are pretty well test/skill driven.

IMHO, ADD/ADHD is very real, and I promise that some of you-all will be blessed with children with learning disabilities and learn the hard way, like I did that they need medication to fit in with the rest of the world nowdays...

I was very opposed to medication, and have come around through my experince with my daughter.

 

[Syringer]

Thank goodness I don't suffer from ADD subtract multiply divide wha?

 

[Lvis]

True you can cannot group kids together, everyone is different. What is wrong with when you take your eyes off your child in the store they take off? Other than the safety issue nowadays, back when it was safe that was okay, kids will do that. I don't know about the food allergy contributing to this condition but did you give him sugar? Also what activities have you made him do that forces him to focus? I understand it must have been hard to drug your child up, but look know, your child is easier to deal with now. Was it worth the pay off?

The stress involved is that I could never let my guard down, even for a second. He was sooo impulsive, he would just do most anything that would pop into his mind.

He could take off running after something, and not give a second thought to it. And not care if a parent knew he had taken off.

Same thing for parking lots, etc. You really don't realize what a dangerous world this is until you have a kid. Even more so for a special one.

My kid has always been much more active than any of his playmates, classmates, etc. Even as an baby, when all he was "eating" was formula/ mom/s milk, so I don't believe diet plays any part in it.

Things are easier now, for me, since he is older. He still has his troubles with school, but I don't have to worry as much about him running in front of a car now.

 

[LordRaiden]

Hehehe. I've been so distracted by my ADD before that I've walked into walls, poles, people, fell off balcony's, down stairs, etc.