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Toddler kills himself with mother's gun

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twinrider1 said:
There will be no charges against her.

Butler County Prosecutor Mike Gmoser said a grand jury heard evidence in the case before deciding not to charge Green.
"The shear enormity and permanency of this loss to the mother far exceeds the power of the state to punish the mother for her inattention under circumstances that should have been obvious to her," Gmoser said in a statement.
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http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/06/17/0617-hamilton-3-year-old-shot-case.html
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ding ding
 
Don Vito Corleone said:
Not much point in carrying an unloaded gun. As for the safety, many pistols (including Glocks, the most commercially popular handguns) don't have external safeties, and in any case I could imagine a toddler of nearly 3 years old being able to switch it off, with no understanding of what she was doin
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Exactly what I was going to say.

If you can't follow gun laws, then you'd be better off not owning a gun.
 
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twinrider1 said:
There will be no charges against her.
Butler County Prosecutor Mike Gmoser said a grand jury heard evidence in the case before deciding not to charge Green.
"The shear enormity and permanency of this loss to the mother far exceeds the power of the state to punish the mother for her inattention under circumstances that should have been obvious to her," Gmoser said in a statement.
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http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/06/17/0617-hamilton-3-year-old-shot-case.html
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That's the DA CYA in this. Grand Juries are pretty much rubber stamps. The only time they do not indict is if the DA does not want them to and brings junk up.

She should have been charged, same as parents that kill their kids leaving them in cars all day.
 
Jimzz said:
She should have been charged, same as parents that kill their kids leaving them in cars all day.
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I don't think I could possible convict someone who loses a child for simple negligence. Gross negligence, sure.

The DA is 100% correct. If it was truly an accident any parent would be devastated, there's zip putting someone like that in jail will accomplish beyond their loss.

Not only that but I bet you'd have a hard time getting a conviction from the jury.
 
Don Vito Corleone said:
Not much point in carrying an unloaded gun. As for the safety, many pistols (including Glocks, the most commercially popular handguns) don't have external safeties, and in any case I could imagine a toddler of nearly 3 years old being able to switch it off, with no understanding of what she was doing.

No question this was carelessness by the mother. Frankly I think it would be good for her to be prosecuted as part of moving on with her life. It's true she will punish herself for the rest of her life, but enduring some penalty (say, a year in jail) may help with her being able to get past this awful event.
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I used to have a s&w .40, sold it as it doesn't have any kind of safety system. I have an XD-40 that has double-trigger system and a safety on the back of the stock that has to be pushed in to fire as well.

RIP lil one🙁
 
Phoenix86 said:
The DA is 100% correct. If it was truly an accident any parent would be devastated, there's zip putting someone like that in jail will accomplish beyond their loss.
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I wonder if a person was really sorry/upset for killing someone while drunk driving if they would get a pass as well. How about someone texting while driving running a red light and killing someone? Do they walk if they are devastated by what they did?

Or is it only parents that kill their kids somehow that get a pass? Or does any close blood relation work for the get of jail free card?

-KeithP
 
I can't even imagine the sorrow she is feeling.
I see no point in prosecuting her; her life is already ruined.
 
I feel like I should point out that this was statistically more likely use of this weapon than actually protecting anyone in the family from harm from a bad guy, but then I forgot that doesn't matter because...freedom.
 
Mxylplyx said:
I feel like I should point out that this was statistically more likely use of this weapon than actually protecting anyone in the family from harm from a bad guy, but then I forgot that doesn't matter because...freedom.
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troll troll trollll your boat!
 
Mxylplyx said:
I feel like I should point out that this was statistically more likely use of this weapon than actually protecting anyone in the family from harm from a bad guy, but then I forgot that doesn't matter because...freedom.
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I agree.

Guns should be locked up in houses with children.
They are smarter than you give them credit for.
 
sandorski said:
Except he's right.
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Meaninglessly right. Statistical averages don't apply to individual situations. Everything from environment to user responsibility can contribute to that statistic. I know people who have defended their homes with guns, and one of my friends from high school was actually tied up in his apartment at knife-point and robbed. Perhaps they should have printed out the statistics and waved them in the robbers's faces?

My guns are in one of two places at any given time: In a safe or on my person. I can guarantee no one will accidentally die from them.
 
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Mxylplyx said:
I feel like I should point out that this was statistically more likely use of this weapon than actually protecting anyone in the family from harm from a bad guy, but then I forgot that doesn't matter because...freedom.
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It's statistically even more likely that the kid would die in a swimming pool. If we're really worried about the welfare of children then we'd be working big to small in terms of getting rid of things that endanger them.
 
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irishScott said:
Meaninglessly right. Statistical averages don't apply to individual situations. Everything from environment to user responsibility can contribute to that statistic. I know people who have defended their homes with guns, and one of my friends from high school was actually tied up in his apartment at knife-point and robbed. Perhaps they should have printed out the statistics and waved them in the robbers's faces?

My guns are in one of two places at any given time: In a safe or on my person. I can guarantee no kids will die playing with them.
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Until it happens. Same could be said of buying a Lotto Ticket, it would still be wrong, but some Individual is bound to win.
 
sandorski said:
Until it happens. Same could be said of buying a Lotto Ticket, it would still be wrong, but some Individual is bound to win.
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With the exception that the lotto ticket has one controlling factor, the lottery company. Whether a gun is more likely to be used in defense vs accidental injury is based on a multitude of factors. You can't tell someone who practices good firearm discipline and proper storage that their gun is more likely to accidentally hurt someone than defend their life. With good discipline and safe storage the increase in accidental injury is at worst so small as to be negligible, and in many circumstances (i.e. bad neighborhoods, hurricane zones, etc) the gun may actually be more likely to be used in self defense. You can also average male and female bodily functions and say "humans statistically bleed from the groin once a month about 50% of the time". It's utterly meaningless.

Someone with bad firearm discipline will obviously greatly increase their odds of accidental injury, but basic firearm safety is not kung-fu. We have tens of millions of families who have kept firearms in the house all their lives and have never had a problem, but it's the few morons who get themselves or their kids shot who make the news and color opinion.
 
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KeithP said:
I wonder if a person was really sorry/upset for killing someone while drunk driving if they would get a pass as well. How about someone texting while driving running a red light and killing someone? Do they walk if they are devastated by what they did?

Or is it only parents that kill their kids somehow that get a pass? Or does any close blood relation work for the get of jail free card?

-KeithP
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So should I answer your questions with all the extra words you added, or are you asking me about my post?

Because adding all that extra crap really changes everything I said.

Why do you support drinking and driving but only if they are texting and it's before midnight?
 
twinrider1 said:
There will be no charges against her.

Butler County Prosecutor Mike Gmoser said a grand jury heard evidence in the case before deciding not to charge Green.
"The shear enormity and permanency of this loss to the mother far exceeds the power of the state to punish the mother for her inattention under circumstances that should have been obvious to her," Gmoser said in a statement.
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http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/06/17/0617-hamilton-3-year-old-shot-case.html
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I'm not sure what shears have to do with this....
 
sandorski said:
Until it happens. Same could be said of buying a Lotto Ticket, it would still be wrong, but some Individual is bound to win.
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Ridiculous. I have a kid, I also have several guns. He won't be playing with them, I guarantee it. You say "until it happens" as if it will, but it won't. I am a responsible gun owner. So it WON'T happen. Period.
 
CoPhotoGuy said:
Ridiculous. I have a kid, I also have several guns. He won't be playing with them, I guarantee it. You say "until it happens" as if it will, but it won't. I am a responsible gun owner. So it WON'T happen. Period.
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I hope you're right. Many others thought the same though.
 
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