Today I am grateful for the state of California...

[Illusio]

Without good old California, we here in IL would be living in the worst run state in the nation.

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49. Illinois
> State debt per capita: $4,424 (13th highest)
> Pct. without health insurance: 13.8% (23rd lowest)
> Pct. below poverty line: 13.1% (25th lowest)
> Unemployment: 10% (10th highest)

Illinois has fallen from 43rd last year to the overall second-worst run state in the country. The state performs poorly in most categories, but is worst when it comes to its credit rating. Illinois has a credit rating of A+, the second worst given to any state, behind only California. The state has been on credit watch since 2008 because of budget shortfalls and legal challenges against then-governor Rod Blagojevich.

50. California
> State debt per capita: $3,660 (21st highest)
> Pct. without health insurance: 18.5% (8th highest)
> Pct. below poverty line: 14.5% (tied for 21st highest)
> Unemployment: 11.9% (2nd highest)

California has moved down one slot on from last year to earn the title of the worst-run state in the country. In the fiscal year 2009, the state spent $430 billion, roughly 14% of all the money spent by states in that year. Compared to its revenue, the state spent too much — California had the 10th lowest revenue per person, and spent the 15th most per person. California is the only state in the country to be rated A-, the lowest rating ever given to a state by S&P. Despite the huge amount the state spends each year, conditions remain poor. California has the second-lowest percentage of adults with a high school diploma in the country, the second-highest foreclosure rate and is tied for the second highest unemployment rate in the U.S.

 

[bfdd]

you're just jealous of the weather.

 

[JSt0rm]

California's problems with unemployment are real but they stem mostly from having such a booming economy that when things go south we have farther to fall then other states.

To see the real story check out this chart

http://www.google.com/publicdata/ex...dim=state:06000:17000&ifdim=state&hl=en&dl=en


As you can see Illinois population and all steel state populations have been stagnate. While california's population has boomed. We have farther to fall because we have a constant influx of people into the state.

So while it feels good to know in your gut you made the right choice and didnt try and go to the coast to "make it" in reality only the slow and dim among you stay in those states. The smart, intelligent and resourceful people head to the coasts to do what it is they do.

 

[bfdd]

that and a bunch of people don't want to work in certain jobs. there are a lot of skilled labor jobs here, but people want art degrees and bullshit. that and lazy assholes, i know my fair share of those.

 

[JSt0rm]

that and a bunch of people don't want to work in certain jobs. there are a lot of skilled labor jobs here, but people want art degrees and bullshit.

In los angeles you have a lot of people who want to work in the film industry. Few make it in and even fewer survive and succeed. I dont fault people for trying to get in it though. I think people should follow their dreams. The thing is people arent honest with themselves and when you end up with some lazy do nothings who want to work in a sexy industry but dont actually want to do any work well then they pile up on the door step and make everyone look bad.

 

[bfdd]

In los angeles you have a lot of people who want to work in the film industry. Few make it in and even fewer survive and succeed. I dont fault people for trying to get in it though. I think people should follow their dreams. The thing is people arent honest with themselves and when you end up with some lazy do nothings who want to work in a sexy industry but dont actually want to do any work well then they pile up on the door step and make everyone look bad.

Are we talking LA LA or are we talking Greater Los Angeles Area? Because if we're talking the latter, there are a TON of other industries here besides those few and people don't want to do the work. There's lazy asses too, believe me I'm not blaming it completely on people who choose to get art degrees, was just an example of what I think is useless for the most part.

 

[Illusio]

you're just jealous of the weather.

As it's currently 45 degrees here, I can't argue with your logic.

 

[JSt0rm]

its a brisk 67 degrees right now (will get down to 50 at night). I have a hoodie on and my 21oz Japanese denim jacket

 

[Atreus21]

You guys can keep the weather. I'll keep food that actually has flavor.

 

[JSt0rm]

You guys can keep the weather. I'll keep food that actually has flavor.

You mean fat and butter? I like those too but I like world french fusion the best. Seabass baked on a oak plank covered in a crust of salt, Mediterranean yes but wonderful.

New Orleans does have its own cuisine and it is very nice but its not all of the cuisine on the planet.

In the medical community they refer to the bible belt as the stroke belt because of your diets.

 

[Infohawk]

It's a popular destination for poor central American immigrants. What do you expect to happen to the stats? They don't just cross the border and magically become middle-class families.

 

[JSt0rm]

Are we talking LA LA or are we talking Greater Los Angeles Area? Because if we're talking the latter, there are a TON of other industries here besides those few and people don't want to do the work. There's lazy asses too, believe me I'm not blaming it completely on people who choose to get art degrees, was just an example of what I think is useless for the most part.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_industries

From the wiki link. They use the uk as the example and I dont feel like doing research into it more to find usa. I hope this is good enough.

"Taking the UK as an example, in the context of other sectors, the creative industries make a far more significant contribution to output than hospitality or utilities and deliver four times the output due to agriculture, fisheries and forestry. In terms of employment and depending on the definition of activities included, the sector is a major employer of between 4-6% of the UK's working population, though this is still significantly less than employment due to traditional areas of work such as retail and manufacturing.
Within the creative industries sector and again taking the UK as an example, the three largest sub-sectors are design, publishing, and television and radio. Together these account for around 75% of revenues and 50% of employment.
The complex supply chains in the creative industries sometimes make it challenging to calculate accurate figures for the gross value added by each sub-sector. This is particularly the case for the service-focused sub-sectors such as advertising, whereas it is more straightforward in product-focused sub-sectors such as crafts. Not surprisingly, perhaps, competition in product-focused areas tends to be more intense with a tendency to drive the production end of the supply chain to become a commodity business.

 

[cybrsage]

It's a popular destination for poor central American immigrants. What do you expect to happen to the stats? They don't just cross the border and magically become middle-class families.

True, they sneak across and become welfare recipients.

 

[PokerGuy]

Ah yes, Cali, beautiful land of great natural resources, great weather, great ingenuity, all run into the ground by liberal stupidity.

 

[CanOWorms]

Ah yes, Cali, beautiful land of great natural resources, great weather, great ingenuity, all run into the ground by liberal stupidity.

The "great ingenuity" in California is primarily due to liberal thought though.

 

[Ns1]

You guys can keep the weather. I'll keep food that actually has flavor.

LA food > *

 

[Zargon]

So while it feels good to know in your gut you made the right choice and didnt try and go to the coast to "make it" in reality only the slow and dim among you stay in those states. The smart, intelligent and resourceful people head to the coasts to do what it is they do.

😵

 

[woolfe9999]

It's a popular destination for poor central American immigrants. What do you expect to happen to the stats? They don't just cross the border and magically become middle-class families.

California's economy and budget situation were vastly better in a relative sense 4 years ago than they are today, yet the illegal population of California hasn't changed much in that time. California has suffered worse than most states in this recession and that is why the numbers don't look so good right now.

But hey, don't let that stop you from the usual cliche of boiling all of California's problems down to the issue of illegal immigration.

 

[Herr Kutz]

California's problems with unemployment are real but they stem mostly from having such a booming economy that when things go south we have farther to fall then other states.

To see the real story check out this chart

http://www.google.com/publicdata/ex...dim=state:06000:17000&ifdim=state&hl=en&dl=en


As you can see Illinois population and all steel state populations have been stagnate. While california's population has boomed. We have farther to fall because we have a constant influx of people into the state.

So while it feels good to know in your gut you made the right choice and didnt try and go to the coast to "make it" in reality only the slow and dim among you stay in those states. The smart, intelligent and resourceful people head to the coasts to do what it is they do.

I thought all those Mexicans were supposed to be a boost for the economy? That's what all the loliberals are claiming.

 

[BudAshes]

california is a country masquerading as a state. We need to either split it in half or secede it from the nation.

 

[Slew Foot]

California took a dump because of the housing bubble cutting tax revenue in half and illegal immigrants/public unions sucking up huge amounts of tax dollars. San Jose is on the verge of bankruptcy unless they can renegotiate their police and fire contracts.

 

[Infohawk]

California's economy and budget situation were vastly better in a relative sense 4 years ago than they are today, yet the illegal population of California hasn't changed much in that time. California has suffered worse than most states in this recession and that is why the numbers don't look so good right now.

But hey, don't let that stop you from the usual cliche of boiling all of California's problems down to the issue of illegal immigration.

I didn't limit it to illegal immigration. Even legal central American migrants will bring these kinds of stats down. Immigrants in general tend to be poorer and California has a huge proportion of foreign born residents.

Every state was better 4 years ago but we're not comparing to 4 years ago, we're comparing to other states. If you show me that California was #1 in all these categories 4 years ago I might care. I suspect it's been a slow decline over several decades.

"California suffering worse than most states" is hardly an explanation. Give me an explanation why it is suffering worse than most states if you think there's something else that will explain the differences.

 

[JSt0rm]

"California suffering worse than most states" is hardly an explanation. Give me an explanation why it is suffering worse than most states if you think there's something else that will explain the differences.

Because while other states have stagnate populations and therefore stagnate employment needs even during boom periods California has required to grow their employment year over year.

Its easy to be a couple of points behind California in unemployment when you have only had 10 million people in your state for the last 20 years.

 

[Infohawk]

Because while other states have stagnate populations and therefore stagnate employment needs even during boom periods California has required to grow their employment year over year.

Its easy to be a couple of points behind California in unemployment when you have only had 10 million people in your state for the last 20 years.

So what? Unemployment is a percentage. If California has a growing population it should be growing the number of jobs, even if the unemployment rate remains stable.

 

[JSt0rm]

So what? Unemployment is a percentage. If California has a growing population it should be growing the number of jobs, even if the unemployment rate remains stable.

California does grow its number of jobs normally. However in this climate it is not but that doesnt change its population numbers and they are still climbing.

We are talking about a state that has more then doubled its population in 20 years vs states who have not had any growth or potentially lost population due to the horrible living conditions in those states.

When this crap is over i think you will find the California economy to swing back and all the 10 million person states to still just putter along as they always have.