Ignoring issues is bad, no question there. However, I asked you specifics, and you gave none. Instead of specifics, you basically gave what I could find in probably least a hundred tabloid papers in the last 12 months, or in any far-right leaflet.
Because representing these argument cant be done in a few paragraphs on a forums, I summed up the basics of what I believe, I'm not expecting that to sway your position but just because it's a summary doesn't mean it's bullshit, it means it's what I believe (for many reasons) and my beliefs inform my actions and the actions of voting is what matters, for both me and you. I'm making an assumption you're in the UK, if not my bad.
Do you want to stop immigration completely? If the answer is no, then what specifically would you change and why?
No, it needs to be reduced to manageable levels. In the short term enough to release the pressure on our public systems (NHS, housing, schooling, jobs etc)
Long term it needs to be much less comparable to national birth rates, right now the actual percentage of non Britons (who do not share our values and who provably do not integrate even after 2-3 generations of children) are going to start out stripping the local population especially considering we're birthing at lower than the replacement rate, and that means eventually outsiders will get majority vote. Long term we need to maintain heritage of our people we need to keep in place the values that made the country so good to begin with and stop the spread of toxic ideology.
Democracy works because while we're divided on many issues we're not THAT divided, we're homogeneous enough so that differences are minor relative to what a lot of other immigrants believe. A worryingly large number of these immigrants thing that throwing gay people off rooftops is OK and justified, many believe women should be subservient to men. What happens if these people represent a large portion of the vote?
The function of government is to represent the people not import so many people that our values are diluted. You'll note that mass immigration doesn't occur the other way, we're not fleeing from our shores to cram into eastern countries, because we know what we have is good and it's special and it's worth protecting, whether that be from the bloodshed of war and defeating invaders (ww2 etc) or from the slow take over of the population.
And you still haven't answered my question why you think that voting for brexit is going to get you what you want with respect to immigration.
I did answer this, I said that leaving the EU is a prerequisite for lowering immigration because being a member means we cannot control our border. The vote was to leave the EU it was NOT for a manifesto, which means all we're doing is deciding shall we stay or go. How issues of immigration can be handled once we've left is for the government or parties running for government to offer us a solution on. I'll probably vote UKIP in the next general election because they'll run with an Australian style points based system of selective immigration and reduce the maximum. That's all in the future though and ONLY possible outside the EU.
These are legitimate concerns of many people and if you simply dismiss them as fluff then what you'll find is these people will vote on these issues and once that hits critical mass you're going to find yourself in the same state you are now (post referendum) so instead of throwing the inevitable "Islamophobia", "xenophobe", "racist" around (which doesn't work because it's not true) why not actually engage and say "OK I get your point of view differs from mine, I'd rather not we have say UKIP in power so why don't we discuss controlling borders more under the current goverment and I'll concede some multi-culturism to avoid a party in power that I don't like, and find some middle ground"
I mean would you prefer to have say 20,000 net migrants a year instead of 300,000 but stay in the EU or would you rather keep it at 300,000, lose the EU referendum and further risk parties you're against getting into power? I can all but guarantee you that had the govt followed through on the promise to get immigration down to 10's of thousands the few points that Brexit leavers won by would have either not voted, or voted in. This was clearly and without a doubt swung to leave because the last Cameron government promised reduced immigration and LIED. And in some sense this is the consequence of allowing that lie and the people who both backed that lie and re-elected him for round 2. He even literally said, if we don't reduce immigration then simply vote us out in 5 years, and what did the left do after he lied, voted him back in.
This is what I'm trying to say again...if the left had just bent on that issue they would have won the referendum as in, but what we saw was promises, lies and then failure to deliver, so here we are. And we have outrage blaming the more right/traditionalists/nationalists when really you should be angry at yourselfs for failing to find a middle ground that we could both live with, the continued polarization of these issues is down to the people in power failing to concede on some issues in order to win others, you want to have it all. You can't in a democracy.
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