Today Britain votes on remaining part of the EU

[Artdeco]

A) Incredible ugly comments by UK racists on some UK news websites. I feel like I am at a Trump rally. I could've sworn the Brits OVERALL were nice people, but the hate and racism flowing there is...mind.boggling. To me it seems that many "outers" are truly NASTY people.

B) Old farts who have 15-20 years left to live literally stole their children's future. Polls/statistics clearly show how the younger are vastly against Brexit, and that it's old people who voted out.

C) Racism and hate now in the UK seems to thrive and it seems to me that noone of those guys EVEN CARES when their own country collapses, they actually *wish* to kick Scotland out, that them and Wales leave. Those primitive people don't give a shit about anything AS LONG as their Xenophobia is satisfied.

They are even willing and actually say it "we are willing to accept personal, financial hardships", aka it's ok when the Brexit costs them money and makes life actual WORSE....as long (again) as it satisfies their Xenophobia.

It defies any, actual logic.

It is true that this was democracy at work because people voted, but it also shows where democracy FAILED Big time. None of those nasty old, uneducated f***s should be allowed to vote.

Really? Democracy only works when people's votes shouldn't be counted?

 

[LegendKiller]

A) Incredible ugly comments by UK racists on some UK news websites. I feel like I am at a Trump rally. I could've sworn the Brits OVERALL were nice people, but the hate and racism flowing there is...mind.boggling. To me it seems that many "outers" are truly NASTY people.

B) Old farts who have 15-20 years left to live literally stole their children's future. Polls/statistics clearly show how the younger are vastly against Brexit, and that it's old people who voted out.

C) Racism and hate now in the UK seems to thrive and it seems to me that noone of those guys EVEN CARES when their own country collapses, they actually *wish* to kick Scotland out, that them and Wales leave. Those primitive people don't give a shit about anything AS LONG as their Xenophobia is satisfied.

They are even willing and actually say it "we are willing to accept personal, financial hardships", aka it's ok when the Brexit costs them money and makes life actual WORSE....as long (again) as it satisfies their Xenophobia.

It defies any, actual logic.

It is true that this was democracy at work because people voted, but it also shows where democracy FAILED Big time. None of those nasty old, uneducated f***s should be allowed to vote.

They didn't steal anything, no more so than anybody who hasn't voted for inclusion for Switzerland and Norway has robbed the children of anything. Get a fucking grip you loon. Kids are stupid, they have no concept of how things were and have little/no respect for historical actions. They think the world either owes them something or is going to be a liberal utopia.

 

[Greenman]

A) Incredible ugly comments by UK racists on some UK news websites. I feel like I am at a Trump rally. I could've sworn the Brits OVERALL were nice people, but the hate and racism flowing there is...mind.boggling. To me it seems that many "outers" are truly NASTY people.

B) Old farts who have 15-20 years left to live literally stole their children's future. Polls/statistics clearly show how the younger are vastly against Brexit, and that it's old people who voted out.

C) Racism and hate now in the UK seems to thrive and it seems to me that noone of those guys EVEN CARES when their own country collapses, they actually *wish* to kick Scotland out, that them and Wales leave. Those primitive people don't give a shit about anything AS LONG as their Xenophobia is satisfied.

They are even willing and actually say it "we are willing to accept personal, financial hardships", aka it's ok when the Brexit costs them money and makes life actual WORSE....as long (again) as it satisfies their Xenophobia.

It defies any, actual logic.

It is true that this was democracy at work because people voted, but it also shows where democracy FAILED Big time. None of those nasty old, uneducated f***s should be allowed to vote.

Please tell me this is sarcasm. No one is really this stupid.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

It is true that this was democracy at work because people voted, but it also shows where democracy FAILED Big time. None of those nasty old, uneducated f***s should be allowed to vote.

You don't get it do you? Democracy means everyone gets an equal say, when you disallow people to vote then that's not a democracy that's a dictatorship. Living in a democracy means agreeing to vote on issues and then conceding the ones you lost and getting the ones you win. You have to understand that on average sometimes you're going to have to concede to things you don't like but people on the other side of the fence also have to concede to things they don't like to appease you and others.

A) Incredible ugly comments by UK racists on some UK news websites. I feel like I am at a Trump rally. I could've sworn the Brits OVERALL were nice people, but the hate and racism flowing there is...mind.boggling. To me it seems that many "outers" are truly NASTY people.

You'd genuinely do yourself and your liberal friends a favour by dropping the hate and xenophobic rhetoric towards trump supporters and brexiteers because this narative that is being spun of hate simply isn't true, it's spun as a political tactic to attempt to shame that position, but you can see by the growth of supports in both camps that it simply doesn't work any if anything makes people more divided and more angry. There's no attempt these days for people to take themselves out of their own shoes and imagine themselves in someone elses, maybe these people are passionate about leaving because they've lost jobs or had problems with immigrants or other issues that affect them but not you.

Thing that annoys me as someone more on the right is that we could have avoided this, the left could have avoided this out vote, what happened was there was a promise to cut migration and not only was that untrue but it was a blatent lie, we now know Cameron was told in no uncertain terms that they couldn't meet the migration targets if they wanted to.

So more than half the country went ignored and when they asked for it to be addressed by govt they were called the EXACT thing you're crying out now, "uneducated", "hateful", "nasty", "exnophobic" etc, so when they're met with that they vote en masse to leave the EU because they know if they don't do something with their right to vote nothing will ever change.

Now, the brexit vote didn't have to happen, if immigration (the key issue) was cracked down on like was promised, then it probably would have never passed, so what should left/liberal supporters take away from this. Well 1) that shaming language only gets you so far, that this act of virtue signaling about how you're so good and moral you can't possibly understand the oppositions position doesn't work in the long run. 2) That you could have got what you wanted had you been reasonable and respectful of those concerned with immigration and treated their concerns with understanding rather than replying with bile and hate.

But nope, and we're seeing exactly the same thing again like you guys never learn, it's just more virtue signaling about how shocked you are like being shocked is somehow an argument. And you have someone more on the right telling you how you could have actually got your own way but I bet this goes completely ignored and the hate continues, even though it is advice that in your own best interests.

Incidentally the same thing is going to happen in the US, Trump is a PRODUCT of the left taking things too far and ignoring the right, and if Trump doesn't win then you can bet your bottom dollar that it will be someone worse next time and worse until the pendulum swings back and we see liberal butthurt flow out of the US as well.

 

[AtenRa]

/Shoots self in the dick

I could say the same if the result would be the opposite.

There is no "End of the world" if you are not a member of the EU, take for instance Norway

 

[AtenRa]

B) Old farts who have 15-20 years left to live literally stole their children's future. Polls/statistics clearly show how the younger are vastly against Brexit, and that it's old people who voted out.

Well next time you should ban people above 40-50 years old to vote in your country
In the rest of the Democratic world, voting has no age (above 18).

C) Racism and hate now in the UK seems to thrive and it seems to me that noone of those guys EVEN CARES when their own country collapses,

UK leaving the EU will not be the "End of times" for the country, there are other countries doing just fine without being a member of the EU, just like Norway.

It is true that this was democracy at work because people voted, but it also shows where democracy FAILED Big time. None of those nasty old, uneducated f***s should be allowed to vote.

Yeap, next time only people with PHDs will be allowed to vote

Are you even understand what Democracy means and represents ???

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Still amazed at how many people who don't live there and probably never heard of the subject until days or maybe weeks ago have such strong opinions. Who also happen to be experts in international immigration and trade. I guess to earn a $500k+ a year job that's what you have to be a subject matter expert at.

 

[mikeymikec]

PrincessFrosty, what exactly do you think needs cracking down on with immigration in the UK?

Also, what do you think the exact plan of the brexit campaign was with regard to immigration?

I'm not sure what the tradition is in the UK but its been a long standing courtesy to not speak poorly about a President or someone running for President or some other important Government person while outside the US. Trump either was unaware or didn't care shows a lack of class.

I was just referring to Trump's hypocrisy of supporting brexit while in the UK then blaming Obama for it when he returned to the US. IMHO any healthy civilisation must criticise its government.

 

[mxnerd]

Many people already regret leaving EU.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/br...fuels-morning-after-regret-some-brits-n598686

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...who-really-wanted-brexit-will-regret-it-most/

http://www.people.com/article/brexit-voters-regret-uk-leave-eu

 

[Fanatical Meat]

PrincessFrosty, what exactly do you think needs cracking down on with immigration in the UK?

Also, what do you think the exact plan of the brexit campaign was with regard to immigration?



I was just referring to Trump's hypocrisy of supporting brexit while in the UK then blaming Obama for it when he returned to the US. IMHO any healthy civilisation must criticise its government.

You don't need an excuse you live there, just strange seeing so many US people with such strong opinions on something they probably never heard of.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

PrincessFrosty, what exactly do you think needs cracking down on with immigration in the UK?

Also, what do you think the exact plan of the brexit campaign was with regard to immigration?

I was just referring to Trump's hypocrisy of supporting brexit while in the UK then blaming Obama for it when he returned to the US. IMHO any healthy civilisation must criticise its government.

We need to limit immigration because we have a huge socialist government which spews out massive amounts of money in public services like the NHS, job seekers allowance, benefits, tax breaks, housing benefits, tax credits and god knows what else which cause wealth seeking freeloaders to bury us in debt. Many native people have lost jobs to immigration, many other countries mess up their economy and create poverty and those poverty stricken people migrate to the UK to hoover up benefits offer to work for less and leave native Britons jobless. Our public services are at breaking point and we're going into more national debt to service them so it's basically time to crack down on numbers. We also have a problem with radical islam in the UK which causes pockets of non-integrating migrants which are the cause of gangs some of which are fundamentalist and recruit people and often children into their ranks, rape children, practice female genital mutilation and lots of other things which are diametrically opposed to our values here. Until such a time as we have an effecitve way of stopping this problem (which currently we do not) we need to stop allowing people in who do not share our values.

There was no brexit campaign, this is a red herring. The EU vote was in/out it wasn't a vote for a manifesto, the government are the ones who make the manifesto and the people who backed leave mostly aren't in power. So it's up to the next government and Prime Minister to create that manifesto and lead it.

All we know is that exiting the EU to get powers back is a pre-requisite for lowering immigration since EU law prevents us from being selective at the border or turning EU passport holders away.

 

[Yakk]

Many people already regret leaving EU.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/br...fuels-morning-after-regret-some-brits-n598686

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...who-really-wanted-brexit-will-regret-it-most/

http://www.people.com/article/brexit-voters-regret-uk-leave-eu

Ah well... now they'll get to know how much their decision will cost them. Gotta live with the consequences, both good and/or bad.

 

[Jaskalas]

As for you saying "enslaved to the bankers in Brussels", the only groups that I can think of that might be inclined to think and vote like that are people who actually received money from the EU. How the average working Londoner fits into that statement I have no idea, perhaps it can be found roaming the darkness of your colon? Perhaps you would like to read up on organisations that typically received EU funding?

I'm simply following along with what Brits are saying, particularly the ones who wanted to leave the EU. Part of their reasoning is the EU is not controlled by an elected or Democratic body. They recognize their own Union as a dictatorship by the 0.1%.

 

[mikeymikec]

PrincessFrosty, I asked you a specific question, not "what's the biggest load of fluff you can come up with that you've heard on the topic of immigration".

Can you please try again? Specifics this time? Because according to you, immigrants are both free-loaders and stealing jobs. I'm pretty sure I could find everything you said on the back of a BNP leaflet, yet you're complaining about brexit voters being regarded as racist and hateful. Furthermore, what do you think the brexit campaign's exact plan for immigration was that caused you to vote for it? Surely if you're voting for a change then you're voting for something specific to change it to? What made you think that a vote for brexit will result in the changes you hope for?

There was no brexit campaign

Deep.

Huge socialist government

We are both talking about the United Kingdom, right? Socialist? The tories? Are you high? I'm wondering if you can name a single "socialist" thing the tories have implemented.

I'm simply following along with what Brits are saying, particularly the ones who wanted to leave the EU. Part of their reasoning is the EU is not controlled by an elected or Democratic body. They recognize their own Union as a dictatorship by the 0.1%.

So you make an assertion about something that you have no idea whether you know it's true, then when you get called out on it, you then backpedal to "something I heard some Brits say", then you change the topic.

 

[JimmiG]

Really? Democracy only works when people's votes shouldn't be counted?

It's a representative democracy. People aren't supposed to vote directly, but rather they elect politicians who represent the people, but who also know what's best for the country, and who don't make important decisions based on their personal opinion, gut feeling or some populist propaganda like the general public tends to do. Asking the general public to decide is like the politicians basically saying "Sorry, we don't know how to do our job, so we'll let you decide!".

They didn't steal anything, no more so than anybody who hasn't voted for inclusion for Switzerland and Norway has robbed the children of anything. Get a fucking grip you loon. Kids are stupid, they have no concept of how things were and have little/no respect for historical actions. They think the world either owes them something or is going to be a liberal utopia.

10 years from now, it will probably be like Switzerland or Norway. But during these times of change, economic growth will slow down or stall both in the EU and in Britain. I personally believe there were better ways to achieve change than to vote for half a decade of uncertainty and chaos. Britain were in a powerful bargaining position before Brexit. Now they don't have any say in the future of the EU, which will remain one of their most important trading partners.

 

[NAC4EV]

It will be interesting to see what the fallout of all of is going to be.
I expect that the pound will fall further and large investment capital will start leaving Great Britain.
IMO the Brits screwed themselves.

 

[Subyman]

Still amazed at how many people who don't live there and probably never heard of the subject until days or maybe weeks ago have such strong opinions. Who also happen to be experts in international immigration and trade. I guess to earn a $500k+ a year job that's what you have to be a subject matter expert at.

Well, when it hits your 401K or stock holdings then I'd say they have a right to be

 

[LegendKiller]

It's a representative democracy. People aren't supposed to vote directly, but rather they elect politicians who represent the people, but who also know what's best for the country, and who don't make important decisions based on their personal opinion, gut feeling or some populist propaganda like the general public tends to do. Asking the general public to decide is like the politicians basically saying "Sorry, we don't know how to do our job, so we'll let you decide!".



10 years from now, it will probably be like Switzerland or Norway. But during these times of change, economic growth will slow down or stall both in the EU and in Britain. I personally believe there were better ways to achieve change than to vote for half a decade of uncertainty and chaos. Britain were in a powerful bargaining position before Brexit. Now they don't have any say in the future of the EU, which will remain one of their most important trading partners.

And during that time how much more would they have to contribute to the EU, to bail out Greece, Italy and Spain. How many more "refugees" will they have to accept...etc.

The EU is doomed, it always has been, always will be in its current form.

 

[JSt0rm]

And during that time how much more would they have to contribute to the EU, to bail out Greece, Italy and Spain. How many more "refugees" will they have to accept...etc.

The EU is doomed, it always has been, always will be in its current form.

Just like the northern us states bail out the southern states.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

PrincessFrosty, I asked you a specific question, not "what's the biggest load of fluff you can come up with that you've heard on the topic of immigration".

No, I explained the basics of the reasons that are causes for concern for me and you've described them as the biggest load of fluff, I specifically said several posts back that ignoring and down treading issues you personally disagree with isn't going to get the remain side very far because these issues effects a lot of people, more than half the people that voted apparently.

This is what lost the remainers the referendum, disregarding issues of immigration that people have genuine concerns with. If you want to downplay it then whatever, it's clearly not worth discussing but me and many others will continue to vote on these issues in the next GE and continue voting after that.

So either you can drop the hurr durr rhetoric, insults and virtue signaling and enter a debate on the issue and come to some middle ground agreement, or you can continue to divide people and end up on the losing side again.

It's all shame shame shame, and I'm not ashamed of my position, I'm a proud Briton I think national identity is good, I think what we've built and fought and died for is a better country than most other places and that the luxuries of today didn't land on our lap, they were earned and protected by generations of Britons (who apparently are old and stupid) against the many threats to our great democracy.

And we're going to keep voting that way and nothing is going to stop that, so either drop the shaming rhetoric and enter into honest debate or just sit back and lose. And FYI describing someones position as the biggest load of fluff you can come up with is not an argument, it's just dismissive and ignorant and it's exactly that which lost the referendum for remain, so it's really up to you to encourage change among the left for your own good or just carry on this path and we'll end up with UKIP in power.

The pendulum of politics predictably swings back and forth because the people in power ignore the desires of the other side for too long and eventually the balance tips and the other side get in and this is the first indication of that and if the modern regressive left continue on this vector of just shame their opponents and ignore them, well then the scales will tip.

Remember that you're upset about this as are many others, but that's not a scratch on how upset the other camp have been for a LOT longer, people like Farage campaigned for over 20 years to fix this. The pendulum is normally about 20 years each way. All you had to do was concede slightly to avoid it but that was apparently to much, so out we go. If the left are smart you'll recognize this and be more forgiving in future. You know...or don't, people on my side of this debate really have lost patience with trying to extend olive branches to get things changed and just meeting shaming, ridicule and name callings.

 

[Artdeco]

PrincessFrosty, they don't understand things like this are disconcerting: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/0...-most-popular-boys-name-in-england-and-wales/

And pointing out this kind of concern is racist... Sigh...

 

[IGBT]

Angela Merkel's country faces having to pay an extra £2.44billion a year to the annual EU budget once Britain has left.

END OF THE EU? Germany warns FIVE more countries could leave Europe after Brexit

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ria-Hungary-Finland-Netherlands-Europe-Brexit

 

[mxnerd]

Angela Merkel's country faces having to pay an extra £2.44billion a year to the annual EU budget once Britain has left.

END OF THE EU? Germany warns FIVE more countries could leave Europe after Brexit

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ria-Hungary-Finland-Netherlands-Europe-Brexit

WOW. EU is really in trouble.

Maybe EU should really just simplifies down to 2 things: EURO & travel.

 

[IGBT]

WOW. EU is really in trouble.

Maybe EU should really just simplifies down to 2 things: EURO & travel.

The "Globalism" experiment is failing..the participants failed to understand that loss of sovereignty was part of the deal..now that they know.. there is a stampede to get out.

 

[biostud]

Hopefully they will go for the same deal as Norway. Abide all EU legislation without the possibility of having something to say about it.