To those who are Catholic and think masturbation is wrong...

[BadNewsBears]

Sorry to say this in off topic. Another problem with the catholic church. I beleive in god and jesus. but not church and all that BS.

Oh NO u wacked off!!!! Im sure at the gates of heaven god will say NO u beat off you cant come in! Dumbasses. Jesus didnt say I cant whack off. God didnt stamp it into stone. I will not listen to some dipshit in a robe telling me to do what he says.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: BadNewsBears
Sorry to say this in off topic. Another problem with the catholic church. I beleive in god and jesus. but not church and all that BS.

Oh NO u wacked off!!!! Im sure at the gates of heaven god will say NO u beat off you cant come in! Dumbasses. Jesus didnt say I cant whack off. God didnt stamp it into stone. I will not listen to some dipshit in a robe telling me to do what he says.

And a big hat.

 

[BadNewsBears]

AHAHAHA
From the link above
The easy answer to this question would be, "Yes, it is better to masturbate, because at best it corrupts only one person. It certainly is the lesser of two evils.



Oh my WE ARE ALLLLL CORRUPT!!!

 

[imported_Schmitty]

According to the Catholics we are all going to go to hell anyways, I say what the hell, if we are going there, might as well make the best of the time here. Now I believe that as long as you believe in Jesus your good to go. Just as long as you don?t commit one of the 10 great ones, your good!

 

[Mill]

One of the more asinine threads of all time. Something that is purely of instinct is not a sin -- otherwise why would we have that instinct?

Instinct to masturbate? Yes. To rape/pillage? No. To murder? No, unless survival depends on it. Masturbation is something that everyone figures out just by being alive. To call it a sin, is a silly idea no doubt created by people without a clitoris or a penis. I can't think of any instinct I have that is innately sinful(at least according to my beliefs). Does my instinct tell me to rob, murder, molest, rob, burglarize, set fires, or get drunk and hit someone with a car? Nope. Does it tell me to masturbate? Why sure.

There are actually medications for people who have guilt from masturbating now. I suggest some of you look into it -- because it isn't healthy to feel bad about jerking it -- at least not when you are over 14 years old.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: xirtam
Dr. James Dobson, head of the religious right organization, Focus on the Family, in his book, "Preparing for Adolescence," discusses masturbation, and he doesn't consider it a sin. There's definitely a difference of opinion on the issue though. I can't say I've ever heard a sermon given on masturbation. That would be kind of weird.

My pastor did. But he does shock sermons all the time. It's great. Church needs to wake up. If you can't preach it, how will anyone learn?

Oh did he? Did he say masturbation was a sin? If he did he should be shot to death and sodomized by tranquil villagers from Nantucket.

 

[ed21x]

NO I am not catholic. However, I know that masturbation in and of itself is not a sin. It's the fact that masturbation is ALWAYS accompanied by lust, that masturbation is discouraged. Quite simply, it is nearly impossible to do so without lusting after a women in the process., and therein lies the sin.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Stefan

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Stefan
Catholisism was the very first christian church. Jesus appointed Peter as the first pope. Some didn't agree with everything and they branched off (IIRC, it was the Lutheran church that was the first to split because they didn't agree because the king wanted to have multiple wives and Catholicism rejected this idea).

That is completely wrong. Jesus did not ever call Peter the pope and the pope is a blaspheme if anything. The entire concept of the pope is against so many verses in the bible I often question if ANY catholics read the bible. It is, after all, the least read best seller of all time.

I don't know the bible in and out so I can't comment on your first thought (I'd like to read about it though)... the 2nd part (in bold) is great though

Got the quote a few years back. It's very true. I could write an entire book on the many misconceptions of Christianity that Christians believe today. 99% of them couldn't tell you what an angel is.

Misconception? Umm... no. Everyone believes a certain way, and that doesn't mean they are wrong, for all you know God hates you and masturbates to your Mom. Saying one way or interpretation is the right way is purely absurd and ARROGANT.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Stefan

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Stefan
Catholisism was the very first christian church. Jesus appointed Peter as the first pope. Some didn't agree with everything and they branched off (IIRC, it was the Lutheran church that was the first to split because they didn't agree because the king wanted to have multiple wives and Catholicism rejected this idea).

That is completely wrong. Jesus did not ever call Peter the pope and the pope is a blaspheme if anything. The entire concept of the pope is against so many verses in the bible I often question if ANY catholics read the bible. It is, after all, the least read best seller of all time.

I don't know the bible in and out so I can't comment on your first thought (I'd like to read about it though)... the 2nd part (in bold) is great though

Got the quote a few years back. It's very true. I could write an entire book on the many misconceptions of Christianity that Christians believe today. 99% of them couldn't tell you what an angel is.

Misconception? Umm... no. Everyone believes a certain way, and that doesn't mean they are wrong, for all you know God hates you and masturbates to your Mom. Saying one way or interpretation is the right way is purely absurd and ARROGANT.

The truth can only be one way. It is ignorant to think everyone can believe whatever they want and be right. All religions are mutually exclusive, including every denomination of Christianity.

 

[ElFenix]

most catholics are only in church 3 times in their life, and carried in twice.

(birth, wedding, death, for the clueless)

 

[Malak]

The vice principal of my old high school was asked by my teacher at the time who the #1 terrorist of all time was. He said the catholic church.

 

[imported_Schmitty]

Truth is only one way, but the problem lies in who is the one to say that this is the true way, and your way is wrong. Its certainly not you! Not me either! Not any one of us on this post for that matter. So what we have here is a variance of opinions, which follow one of true large truths, and those are that either god either does or doesn?t exist. And all the details fall in line on a personal level. If you believe that god does exist then you follow what you church tell you to follow or how you believe him. If you believe that god doesn?t exist then you follow what the rules of Man tell you. Everything in-between is inconsequential and irrelevant to say the least. Masturbation is one of those things that ?fall between the cracks? and you only view it the way you want to view it. No one should tell you whether masturbation is a Sin or not. Nothing in the bible states it; the only thing it talks about is lust. So you have to take in consideration that, and when you do, you will find your answer, what ever it may be!

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Stefan

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Stefan
Catholisism was the very first christian church. Jesus appointed Peter as the first pope. Some didn't agree with everything and they branched off (IIRC, it was the Lutheran church that was the first to split because they didn't agree because the king wanted to have multiple wives and Catholicism rejected this idea).

That is completely wrong. Jesus did not ever call Peter the pope and the pope is a blaspheme if anything. The entire concept of the pope is against so many verses in the bible I often question if ANY catholics read the bible. It is, after all, the least read best seller of all time.

I don't know the bible in and out so I can't comment on your first thought (I'd like to read about it though)... the 2nd part (in bold) is great though

Got the quote a few years back. It's very true. I could write an entire book on the many misconceptions of Christianity that Christians believe today. 99% of them couldn't tell you what an angel is.

Misconception? Umm... no. Everyone believes a certain way, and that doesn't mean they are wrong, for all you know God hates you and masturbates to your Mom. Saying one way or interpretation is the right way is purely absurd and ARROGANT.

The truth can only be one way. It is ignorant to think everyone can believe whatever they want and be right. All religions are mutually exclusive, including every denomination of Christianity.

It is ignorant to believe that you chose so wisely as to be the only one right. Failing that, it is ignorant to assume that there can only be one answer to a question or one "truth" as you'd have it said. Religious Dogma and "who is right" are questions that no one can answer, but also questions that are pondered but idiots. There is no way to have a definitive answer on either unless you consider "faith" which is purely illogical, so there is no logical way to discern who is right or wrong. In the end you have no more validity to your statements than a Caveman. Both of you wondered about the cause of life and the afterlife, but neither of you are any more advanced in your beliefs. All you can assume is something illogical, and hope that you are right, which when you examine the number of beliefs and people, you have less than a 0.01% chance of being right.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Schmitty
Truth is only one way, but the problem lies in who is the one to say that this is the true way, and your way is wrong. Its certainly not you! Not me either! Not any one of us on this post for that matter. So what we have here is a variance of opinions, which follow one of true large truths, and those are that either god either does or doesn?t exist. And all the details fall in line on a personal level. If you believe that god does exist then you follow what you church tell you to follow or how you believe him. If you believe that god doesn?t exist then you follow what the rules of Man tell you. Everything in-between is inconsequential and irrelevant to say the least. Masturbation is one of those things that ?fall between the cracks? and you only view it the way you want to view it. No one should tell you whether masturbation is a Sin or not. Nothing in the bible states it; the only thing it talks about is lust. So you have to take in consideration that, and when you do, you will find your answer, what ever it may be!

In the matter of masterbation, I don't know the truth and willingly admit that. However, in the idea of the catholic church starting a bunch of nonsense that churches still teach today, that I know.

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: malak


The truth can only be one way. It is ignorant to think everyone can believe whatever they want and be right. All religions are mutually exclusive, including every denomination of Christianity.

I think this is a difficult concept for atheists to grasp. A better way of explaining it would be that different schools of thoughts in a scientific field are mutually exclusive, and you cannot agree with either sides, as they inherently work against one another.

eg:
The earth is 4.6 billion years old based on radioactive dating evidence.
The earth is at least 6 billion years old based on coefficient of heat transfer and the amount of heat (magma) left in the earth's core.

a compromise cannot be made because the supporting basis for one of the above theories must be wrong. So pretty much, the thought with more support should be given more consideration, and basing an opinion on something deeply grounded in facts is NOT an ignorant statement, but a highly educated one.

Now take christianity, several figures and monuments have been independently verified to have existed outside of the bible (among them, Jesus, Joseph, a memorial to Pontius Pilate). Now I'm not saying that the bible is correct because of these, as the possibility of someone basing stories around things that actually existed is always there. But still, the archeological evidence should at least lend some weight to the validity of Christianity.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Schmitty
Truth is only one way, but the problem lies in who is the one to say that this is the true way, and your way is wrong. Its certainly not you! Not me either! Not any one of us on this post for that matter. So what we have here is a variance of opinions, which follow one of true large truths, and those are that either god either does or doesn?t exist. And all the details fall in line on a personal level. If you believe that god does exist then you follow what you church tell you to follow or how you believe him. If you believe that god doesn?t exist then you follow what the rules of Man tell you. Everything in-between is inconsequential and irrelevant to say the least. Masturbation is one of those things that ?fall between the cracks? and you only view it the way you want to view it. No one should tell you whether masturbation is a Sin or not. Nothing in the bible states it; the only thing it talks about is lust. So you have to take in consideration that, and when you do, you will find your answer, what ever it may be!

Truth is not only one way. Ask 5 people who observed an event what happened. Are they lying, or giving a perspective based on their experience? Is what any saying untrue, or just a varying degree? Assuming that truth only comes in one flavor is simply not fair. Other than that, I would say I agree with you. No one has any more right or power to say what is right or wrong. Purely subjective based on your beliefs...

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Mill
It is ignorant to believe that you chose so wisely as to be the only one right. Failing that, it is ignorant to assume that there can only be one answer to a question or one "truth" as you'd have it said. Religious Dogma and "who is right" are questions that no one can answer, but also questions that are pondered but idiots. There is no way to have a definitive answer on either unless you consider "faith" which is purely illogical, so there is no logical way to discern who is right or wrong. In the end you have no more validity to your statements than a Caveman. Both of you wondered about the cause of life and the afterlife, but neither of you are any more advanced in your beliefs. All you can assume is something illogical, and hope that you are right, which when you examine the number of beliefs and people, you have less than a 0.01% chance of being right.

I never chose to be the only one right, don't know where you got that from, and I still don't know what crawled up your butt and died. Your hate is obvious in every post.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Schmitty
Truth is only one way, but the problem lies in who is the one to say that this is the true way, and your way is wrong. Its certainly not you! Not me either! Not any one of us on this post for that matter. So what we have here is a variance of opinions, which follow one of true large truths, and those are that either god either does or doesn?t exist. And all the details fall in line on a personal level. If you believe that god does exist then you follow what you church tell you to follow or how you believe him. If you believe that god doesn?t exist then you follow what the rules of Man tell you. Everything in-between is inconsequential and irrelevant to say the least. Masturbation is one of those things that ?fall between the cracks? and you only view it the way you want to view it. No one should tell you whether masturbation is a Sin or not. Nothing in the bible states it; the only thing it talks about is lust. So you have to take in consideration that, and when you do, you will find your answer, what ever it may be!

Truth is not only one way. Ask 5 people who observed an event what happened. Are they lying, or giving a perspective based on their experience? Is what any saying untrue, or just a varying degree? Assuming that truth only comes in one flavor is simply not fair. Other than that, I would say I agree with you. No one has any more right or power to say what is right or wrong. Purely subjective based on your beliefs...

Who said truth was fair? Why is it hard to believe that maybe all 5 were correct? Or all incorrect?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: ed21x
[qOriginally posted by: malak


The truth can only be one way. It is ignorant to think everyone can believe whatever they want and be right. All religions are mutually exclusive, including every denomination of Christianity.

I think this is a difficult concept for atheists to grasp. A better way of explaining it would be that different schools of thoughts in a scientific field are mutually exclusive, and you cannot agree with either sides, as they inherently work against one another.

eg:
The earth is 4.6 billion years old based on radioactive dating evidence.
The earth is at least 6 billion years old based on coefficient of heat transfer and the amount of heat (magma) left in the earth's core.

a compromise cannot be made because the supporting basis for one of the above theories must be wrong.[/quote]

Well the premises are flawed, thus the conclusion is as well. Not all religions, or even most are mutually exclusive. Most differences are not of fundamentals, but of interpretations, dogma, and tradition. To say that a compromise cannot be made is clearly not logical either. I'm not going to get into the fallacy of a midpoint between to ideals, nor would I agree with that fallacy, however, to say that religion must be mutually exclusive is ignorant. I'm not an atheist, and I have hard time grasping such an obviously flawed premise. It simply does not follow the rules of logic, and therefore is invalid. Additionally, there can be varying schools of thought, but a common thread between the too, in fact that is more common than not.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Schmitty
Truth is only one way, but the problem lies in who is the one to say that this is the true way, and your way is wrong. Its certainly not you! Not me either! Not any one of us on this post for that matter. So what we have here is a variance of opinions, which follow one of true large truths, and those are that either god either does or doesn?t exist. And all the details fall in line on a personal level. If you believe that god does exist then you follow what you church tell you to follow or how you believe him. If you believe that god doesn?t exist then you follow what the rules of Man tell you. Everything in-between is inconsequential and irrelevant to say the least. Masturbation is one of those things that ?fall between the cracks? and you only view it the way you want to view it. No one should tell you whether masturbation is a Sin or not. Nothing in the bible states it; the only thing it talks about is lust. So you have to take in consideration that, and when you do, you will find your answer, what ever it may be!

Truth is not only one way. Ask 5 people who observed an event what happened. Are they lying, or giving a perspective based on their experience? Is what any saying untrue, or just a varying degree? Assuming that truth only comes in one flavor is simply not fair. Other than that, I would say I agree with you. No one has any more right or power to say what is right or wrong. Purely subjective based on your beliefs...

Who said truth was fair? Why is it hard to believe that maybe all 5 were correct? Or all incorrect?

Umm, that was the point of my post. All could be wrong in someone else's eyes or correct in another's eyes. What matters is perspective, and absolute truth simply doesn't exist when it comes to Religious Philosophy. It is hard to understand, but the question of whether God exists is philosophical simply because there is NOT an absolute truth. And no one said truth was fair, but the again no one said truth was unfair. Truth is not something that is purely objective -- it is very subjective.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Mill
Well the premises are flawed, thus the conclusion is as well. Not all religions, or even most are mutually exclusive. Most differences are not of fundamentals, but of interpretations, dogma, and tradition. To say that a compromise cannot be made is clearly not logical either. I'm not going to get into the fallacy of a midpoint between to ideals, nor would I agree with that fallacy, however, to say that religion must be mutually exclusive is ignorant. I'm not an atheist, and I have hard time grasping such an obviously flawed premise. It simply does not follow the rules of logic, and therefore is invalid. Additionally, there can be varying schools of thought, but a common thread between the too, in fact that is more common than not.

Study religions then. They are all, in their nature, mutually exclusive. Even in their nature, each denomination of Christianity is to each other, which is rather sad. Believing one truth means another cannot be true. Differing beliefs cannot coexist. Only one can be correct. Or none.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Mill
It is ignorant to believe that you chose so wisely as to be the only one right. Failing that, it is ignorant to assume that there can only be one answer to a question or one "truth" as you'd have it said. Religious Dogma and "who is right" are questions that no one can answer, but also questions that are pondered but idiots. There is no way to have a definitive answer on either unless you consider "faith" which is purely illogical, so there is no logical way to discern who is right or wrong. In the end you have no more validity to your statements than a Caveman. Both of you wondered about the cause of life and the afterlife, but neither of you are any more advanced in your beliefs. All you can assume is something illogical, and hope that you are right, which when you examine the number of beliefs and people, you have less than a 0.01% chance of being right.

I never chose to be the only one right, don't know where you got that from, and I still don't know what crawled up your butt and died. Your hate is obvious in every post.

You implied it by saying 99% of Christians harbored serious misconceptions. That is your opinion, and not based on anything substantive in nature. You said truth can only be one way, and for that I ask of you proof. Please, provide some substantive proof that truth can only be one way, or that your truth is superior to mine. Clearly you don't have an understanding of the subjective...

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Mill
Umm, that was the point of my post. All could be wrong in someone else's eyes or correct in another's eyes. What matters is perspective, and absolute truth simply doesn't exist when it comes to Religious Philosophy. It is hard to understand, but the question of whether God exists is philosophical simply because there is NOT an absolute truth. And no one said truth was fair, but the again no one said truth was unfair. Truth is not something that is purely objective -- it is very subjective.

Absolute truth exists, this is ridiculous to say otherwise. Whether anyone knows or grasps it is another topic, but absolute truth exists. It has nothing to do with religion or philosophy. I absolutely exist, no amount of perspective can change that. It is purely objective.

 

[imported_Schmitty]

thats my bad I stated that wrong. It should of been "Truth is only one way? the problem..." was typing without thinking about that line!

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Mill
Well the premises are flawed, thus the conclusion is as well. Not all religions, or even most are mutually exclusive. Most differences are not of fundamentals, but of interpretations, dogma, and tradition. To say that a compromise cannot be made is clearly not logical either. I'm not going to get into the fallacy of a midpoint between to ideals, nor would I agree with that fallacy, however, to say that religion must be mutually exclusive is ignorant. I'm not an atheist, and I have hard time grasping such an obviously flawed premise. It simply does not follow the rules of logic, and therefore is invalid. Additionally, there can be varying schools of thought, but a common thread between the too, in fact that is more common than not.

Study religions then. They are all, in their nature, mutually exclusive. Even in their nature, each denomination of Christianity is to each other, which is rather sad. Believing one truth means another cannot be true. Differing beliefs cannot coexist. Only one can be correct. Or none.

That is simply illogical, unreasonable, and a rather dangerous line of thinking. There are those that have a religion that borrows from every religion and believe each religion to be equal on its merits. It is called tolerance, and obviously you either don't understand it, or failing that -- lack it. Please, provide a logical proof for how religion is mutually exclusive and/or denominations of Christian Faith. Could I please ask what denomination you belong to? It would help me decide if you are worth debating with, or if you were retreat to mindless dissertations on your illogical faith and beliefs.