To those who are Catholic and think masturbation is wrong...

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BigToque

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I know that some think that masturbation is wrong so I decided to do a little research of my own.

There is no mention of masturbation in the bible, but it is mentioned in the Catechism of the Catholic church.

Part 3 - Chapter 2 - Article 6 (Offences against chastity)

2351 - Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.

2352 - By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."
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I've been told that it's wrong because you are not supposed to pleasure yourself (which is indicated above).

I read this as saying that if you do it on your own, for your own pleasure it's wrong, but if you do it with a parter for the pleasure, enhancement and unity of the both of you, it's fine.

What do you think?
 
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FleshLight

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On a side note:

There are Jews in the world, there are Buddists,
There are Hindus and Mormons and then
There are those that follow Mohammad, but
I've never been one of them.

I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.

You don't have to be a six footer,
You don't have to have a great brain,
You don't have to have any clothes on,
You're a Catholic the moment Dad came, because

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathen spill theirs,
On the dusty ground,
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

Every sperm is wanted,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Hindu, Taoist, Morman,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Every sperm is useful,
Every sperm is fine,
God needs everybody's,
Mine, and mine, and mine.

Let the pagans spill theirs,
O'er mountain, hill and plain.
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
 
jlee

jlee

Lifer
Sep 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: FleshLight
On a side note:

There are Jews in the world, there are Buddists,
There are Hindus and Mormons and then
There are those that follow Mohammad, but
I've never been one of them.

I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.

You don't have to be a six footer,
You don't have to have a great brain,
You don't have to have any clothes on,
You're a Catholic the moment Dad came, because

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathen spill theirs,
On the dusty ground,
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

Every sperm is wanted,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Hindu, Taoist, Morman,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Every sperm is useful,
Every sperm is fine,
God needs everybody's,
Mine, and mine, and mine.

Let the pagans spill theirs,
O'er mountain, hill and plain.
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
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That's quite possibly the worst oversimplification ever.
 
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Schneider879

Senior member
Oct 10, 2004
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Originally posted by: FleshLight
On a side note:

There are Jews in the world, there are Buddists,
There are Hindus and Mormons and then
There are those that follow Mohammad, but
I've never been one of them.

I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.

You don't have to be a six footer,
You don't have to have a great brain,
You don't have to have any clothes on,
You're a Catholic the moment Dad came, because

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathen spill theirs,
On the dusty ground,
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

Every sperm is wanted,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Hindu, Taoist, Morman,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Every sperm is useful,
Every sperm is fine,
God needs everybody's,
Mine, and mine, and mine.

Let the pagans spill theirs,
O'er mountain, hill and plain.
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
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DainBramaged

DainBramaged

Lifer
Jun 19, 2003
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Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Originally posted by: Ketteringo
It was something about the spilling of seed.

I don't really know, because I don't really care.
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Genesis 38
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Has nothing to do with masturbation.
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Didn't say it did. We were referencing the spilling of the seed here, moron.
 
MichaelD

MichaelD

Lifer
Jan 16, 2001
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I think you read the bible too much and concentrate too much of your thoughts on the meanings allegedly contained within it's covers.

I think you need to learn to think for yourself and decide what is wrong an right.

It's not that difficult, really. :)

No book can tell you what is right or wrong. Books were written by men, just like you and I.

If you believe that book is "law", why not believe me when I say "Jesus wants you to send me $50?" Just like Billy Grahm's been doing for decades.
 
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BigToque

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: FleshLight
On a side note:

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I cut it out to save some space...

The catholic church recognizes sex as being for both procreation and for pleasure within marriage. A "seed" is not wasted unless one of you is trying to get pregant and the other is trying to prevent a pregnancy.

 
Malak

Malak

Lifer
Dec 4, 2004
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Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Originally posted by: Ketteringo
It was something about the spilling of seed.

I don't really know, because I don't really care.
Click to expand...

Genesis 38
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Has nothing to do with masturbation.
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Didn't say it did. We were referencing the spilling of the seed here, moron.
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Didn't say you did, was just pushing the discussion forward. I don't know why masturbation is wrong either, except for loose ideas of lust.
 
jlee

jlee

Lifer
Sep 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: Citrix
i find it ironic that the greatest gift that God gave us, is a sin.
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The 'greatest gift' is probably not what you think it is, then. :)
 
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aplefka

Lifer
Feb 29, 2004
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Masturbation is never mentioned in the bible, or at least not using that word. I'm sure it's referenced to though.
 
hdeck

hdeck

Lifer
Sep 26, 2002
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1 Corinthians 6:18 (NIV) "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body."
 
Malak

Malak

Lifer
Dec 4, 2004
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Originally posted by: hdeck
1 Corinthians 6:18 (NIV) "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body."
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That's not talking about masturbation. It's a concept based on a deeper thought. Obviously too deep for most people.
 
AreaCode707

AreaCode707

Lifer
Sep 21, 2001
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Originally posted by: hdeck
1 Corinthians 6:18 (NIV) "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body."
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Which doesn't mention masturbation. Having been a Christian all my life and read extensively, I don't believe the Bible ever mentions masturbation. The oft-quoted passage about spilling seed refers to a man cheating the woman out of children, essentially, and has nothing to do with masturbation.

I actually think the only time you see any verses with connection to masturbation are the Old Testament rules about purity. They specifically talk about how a man who's had an emission is impure until he goes through purification rites, and then they go on to talk about how a man who's had an emission with his wife is impure til he goes through the same rites. They very specifically allow for emissions that happen in a non-procreation form. Now whether that's intended to refer to masturbation or nocturnal emissions, I don't know, but it's as close as the Bible comes to talking about it.
 
Malak

Malak

Lifer
Dec 4, 2004
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The closest arguement is the lusting over women, but that seems to point towards lusting over women you see. If there are no women around, is it the same thing? I dunno. The point of these things being sin and avoiding them being good is that they can get in trouble. Can masturbation get you in trouble? Well, I guess the guy who did it all over his video card will say yes...
 
OverVolt

OverVolt

Lifer
Aug 31, 2002
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According the church, not bible, birth control is as bad a sin as masturbation, because of the same reasons. They do allow "Natural Family Planning" which is just doing 'it' when she is least fertile during the cycle. There a book written about the method, by a doctor with 12 children.
 
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