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hzl eyed grl

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I found out that I have precancerous cells in my cervix. They found them during our (all women) favorite yearly exam. Egh Anyway, I'm having to get them removed on Saturday and I wanted to know if any of you have ever had this done. If you have, how bad did it hurt? The biopsy hurt like hell and he had already "numbed" it with some spray stuff. They gave me two Xanax to take to relax me for the procedure, but I'm still scared. If the biopsy hurt, I can't imagine what this will feel like. *biting nails*

Anyone?
 
A girl I was dating awhile back had this done. She ended up fine. Didn't complain about the procedure hurting or anything, I'm pretty sure they put her under for it though.
 
I'm sorry to hear that.
Are they sending you for colpo, or was that done already and now they're looking to do a LEEP?
I can tell you more based on whether its the former or the latter.

During OB/Gyn, I have to say that colpo and LEEP looked uncomfortable from a guy's perspective, but each patient surprised me with the wide variety of reactions. I'm sure that the differences had to do with individually variable amounts of innervation in the cervix, and each individual's variable expectations of pain involved with the procedures.
It is hard for me to predict what the experience might be like since I dont have the relevant anatomy and never having had the procedure done on me, but I think that the patients who went in there with the most anxiety definitely fulfilled their own prophecy.
I think the women who did the best had a REALLY cool/supportive friend or family member in there with them during the procedure to hold their hand and keep them calm.
 
My wife had that. It then progressed to precancerous cells on EVERYTHING. She wound up having a full hysterectomy in 2001 as a result. Luckily we'd already had all the children we wanted and I was sterilized long before so it didn't affect our family negatively. But it was not great having a post-menopausal wife who was 27....
 
Originally posted by: Sust
I'm sorry to hear that.
Are they sending you for colpo, or was that done already and now they're looking to do a LEEP?
I can tell you more based on whether its the former or the latter.

During OB/Gyn, I have to say that colpo and LEEP looked uncomfortable from a guy's perspective, but each patient surprised me with the wide variety of reactions. I'm sure that the differences had to do with individually variable amounts of innervation in the cervix, and each individual's variable expectations of pain involved with the procedures.
It is hard for me to predict what the experience might be like since I dont have the relevant anatomy and never having had the procedure done on me, but I think that the patients who went in there with the most anxiety definitely fulfilled their own prophecy.
I think the women who did the best had a REALLY cool/supportive friend or family member in there with them during the procedure to hold their hand and keep them calm.

I already had the colpo (that's what hurt and he said all they took was the size of a 10th of a bb) and I'm getting the LEEP on Saturday. The colpo made me cramp for days. I've never taken Xanax before so I have no idea how much it will affect me for the procedure. I'm very happy that we caught it early, I'm just really not looking forward to getting it done. My mom is going to spend the night with me that night because I might be sore and I can't lift stuff for a while.

Megatomic I have a friend that had a hysterectomy in her 20's and it wasn't fun for her, either. Sorry to hear it.
 
LEEP was typically more bearable for some women.
The most painful part of the procedure was probably the initial injections of lidocaine into the cervix. This is the way I learned to do it:
If patient is anxious, give some fast acting benzo to relax them first.
In order to get a proper pain block in cervix, they inject lidocaine, bupivicaine, or whatever anesthetic they want to use into the 2,4,7, and 11 'o clock fornices of the cervix. Once the anesthetic kicks in and the entire area is numb, most women dont feel any pain, but the sensation of movement in that area is preserved and I think the mental image that some patients have of what is going on inside makes the pain feel real even though there is a ton of anesthetic blocking pain sensation. I'm not saying the pain isn't there in the mind, but there is a low probability that there were any pain signals being sent from the neurons in the cervix up to the brain when there is that much pain medication locally administered to the area.
Are they going to put you to sleep under general anesthesia/intubation in order to do this procedure because we typically did LEEP on an outpatient basis and no one stayed in the hospital overnight for this.
Again, sorry to hear that you have to go through this procedure, but I think that it's a small price to pay in comparison to other possibilities.

I saw one 30 something mother who had recurrent cervical cancer even after hysterectomy. So what she was going to have done was a total pelvic exenteration where they basically removed her bladder+urethra, vagina, and a portion of her rectum through an ovular incision from the top of the skin over the vagina to the back skin of the anus. No exaggeration when all of that stuff came out in ONE piece. Afterwards, they took some of her small intestine and fashioned a quasi bladder for her which connected to a tube sticking out of her belly to pee into a bag. They also took the loop of large intestine and put that outlet on the belly also so that she could poop into a bag. Afterwards, the plastic surgeons came in and cut 2 muscles out of her legs and fashioned a new vagina for her out of them. That's the crude summary.
It was an epic 16 hour procedure which could only be endured by a mother who wanted to spend a few more years watching her little girl grow up. After seeing that tragic story and operation, I encourage routine pap smears in age-appropriate women and HPV vaccination to all parents for their pre-pubescent teens.
Good luck and know that your preventive efforts now will pay off later.
 
Originally posted by: Sust
LEEP was typically more bearable for some women.
The most painful part of the procedure was probably the initial injections of lidocaine into the cervix. This is the way I learned to do it:
If patient is anxious, give some fast acting benzo to relax them first.
In order to get a proper pain block in cervix, they inject lidocaine, bupivicaine, or whatever anesthetic they want to use into the 2,4,7, and 11 'o clock fornices of the cervix. Once the anesthetic kicks in and the entire area is numb, most women dont feel any pain, but the sensation of movement in that area is preserved and I think the mental image that some patients have of what is going on inside makes the pain feel real even though there is a ton of anesthetic blocking pain sensation. I'm not saying the pain isn't there in the mind, but there is a low probability that there were any pain signals being sent from the neurons in the cervix up to the brain when there is that much pain medication locally administered to the area.
Are they going to put you to sleep under general anesthesia/intubation in order to do this procedure because we typically did LEEP on an outpatient basis and no one stayed in the hospital overnight for this.
Again, sorry to hear that you have to go through this procedure, but I think that it's a small price to pay in comparison to other possibilities.

I saw one 30 something mother who had recurrent cervical cancer even after hysterectomy. So what she was going to have done was a total pelvic exenteration where they basically removed her bladder+urethra, vagina, and a portion of her rectum through an ovular incision from the top of the skin over the vagina to the back skin of the anus. No exaggeration when all of that stuff came out in ONE piece. Afterwards, they took some of her small intestine and fashioned a quasi bladder for her which connected to a tube sticking out of her belly to pee into a bag. They also took the loop of large intestine and put that outlet on the belly also so that she could poop into a bag. Afterwards, the plastic surgeons came in and cut 2 muscles out of her legs and fashioned a new vagina for her out of them. That's the crude summary.
It was an epic 16 hour procedure which could only be endured by a mother who wanted to spend a few more years watching her little girl grow up. After seeing that tragic story and operation, I encourage routine pap smears in age-appropriate women and HPV vaccination to all parents for their pre-pubescent teens.
Good luck and know that your preventive efforts now will pay off later.

First, WOW to the story. I've never even heard of that. I can't even imagine that. I'm just shaking my head. Poor woman. Do you know how many more years she got or if she's still alive?

Second, no, I'm not going to be put under. I was curious earlier today and called the office. My main worry about getting the LEEP was how painful it would be because the biopsy was painful for me. That spray stuff didn't numb things very well. They said that they'd be using a needle to numb me, so that alleviated some of my worry. I have two Xanax and I'm supposed to take one pill one hour before the scheduled procedure and then one at the office if I feel I need one. My mom is going with me and is going to spend the night with me in case I need something. 🙂 (Aren't mom's nice?) lol

Thanks for all the info. I'm very glad that I've been getting my yearly exams because who knows what might have turned up years down the line had I not done it. I mean, I see just about every other kind of doc right now as it is and as unpleasant as the PAP is, it's obviously worth it.
 
Originally posted by: hzl eyed grl
I found out that I have precancerous cells in my cervix. They found them during our (all women) favorite yearly exam. Egh Anyway, I'm having to get them removed on Saturday and I wanted to know if any of you have ever had this done. If you have, how bad did it hurt? The biopsy hurt like hell and he had already "numbed" it with some spray stuff. They gave me two Xanax to take to relax me for the procedure, but I'm still scared. If the biopsy hurt, I can't imagine what this will feel like. *biting nails*

Anyone?


I had a friend that had it done with the wire thing said it hurt like a motherfucker and she was in pain for a week. Not trying to be doom & gloom, but I'm sure every woman is different.
 
Overall 5-year survival after a total pelvic exenteration is ~50%. So it's a coin toss guess as to whether she will live to 5 years after the procedure. However, I'm sure any young mom would endure those odds and post-op obstacles for the chance to watch her kids grow up a few more years. It's funny how we take time for granted until something like this comes along and reminds us.

Oh ok. So they are doing it the way I learned it.
Yeh, the spray usually doesnt do much at all. We typically used it to lightly numb the area before injection. When they stick the needle of numbing medicine into your fornix, it will hurt until the numbing medicine coming out of the needle kicks in after a second. After that, youll only feel stuff moving around down there, but any pain nerves should be blocked out.

I hope all goes well and remember that staying calm is key.
 
Originally posted by: Sust
Overall 5-year survival after a total pelvic exenteration is ~50%. So it's a coin toss guess as to whether she will live to 5 years after the procedure. However, I'm sure any young mom would endure those odds and post-op obstacles for the chance to watch her kids grow up a few more years. It's funny how we take time for granted until something like this comes along and reminds us.

Oh ok. So they are doing it the way I learned it.
Yeh, the spray usually doesnt do much at all. We typically used it to lightly numb the area before injection. When they stick the needle of numbing medicine into your fornix, it will hurt until the numbing medicine coming out of the needle kicks in after a second. After that, youll only feel stuff moving around down there, but any pain nerves should be blocked out.

I hope all goes well and remember that staying calm is key.

I can absolutely see a woman going through all that to be able to spend that much more time with her children.

Thanks, so much for your help. If you're on before tomorrow and you see this (and I'll look it up too), do you bleed much afterward? I know after the biopsy I bled for a little while even with the cauterization. I HATE needles and the thought of getting stabbed is a little icky, but that idea is way better to me that just being numbed by the useless spray.
 
Sorry for the late reply, but I had to round on people at 4 this morning.

In regards to the numbing needle injection, it is icky, but personally I would not do your LEEP without it.
There is always a little bit of bleeding after any procedure thats cutting through layers of tissue. One of the pros of LEEP is that it theoretically cauterizes and cuts all at the same time so there should be minimal blood loss. I dont know for certain, but I'm pretty sure that you would lose more blood thru regular menstruation than the amount of blood loss after a LEEP.
If there is bleeding, it should stop within a day or two at the latest as long as you dont have a clotting problem like hemophilia or von willebrand's disease, and you dont stick anything in the area to reopen the wound.
If you're still worried about bleeding then ask the doc or nurse how much blood loss to look for before worrying and considering a trip to the urgent care center or ER.
Otherwise, follow all post-LEEP directions that they give you and you should be fine until you follow-up with your OB/Gyn for discussion of the results and the next step in your management.
 
Originally posted by: Sust
Sorry for the late reply, but I had to round on people at 4 this morning.

In regards to the numbing needle injection, it is icky, but personally I would not do your LEEP without it.
There is always a little bit of bleeding after any procedure thats cutting through layers of tissue. One of the pros of LEEP is that it theoretically cauterizes and cuts all at the same time so there should be minimal blood loss. I dont know for certain, but I'm pretty sure that you would lose more blood thru regular menstruation than the amount of blood loss after a LEEP.
If there is bleeding, it should stop within a day or two at the latest as long as you dont have a clotting problem like hemophilia or von willebrand's disease, and you dont stick anything in the area to reopen the wound.
If you're still worried about bleeding then ask the doc or nurse how much blood loss to look for before worrying and considering a trip to the urgent care center or ER.
Otherwise, follow all post-LEEP directions that they give you and you should be fine until you follow-up with your OB/Gyn for discussion of the results and the next step in your management.

Okay, so I had it done yesterday. I was really wondering if the Xanax would work or not. I took it like they told me. I took one pill one hour before procedure then one when I got there. They put me in one room and did the numbing and about 10 minutes later took me in another room.

The actual LEEP part didn't hurt all that much. I did hurt, but not even as much as the biopsy. The cauterization though, OMG! That hurt like hell. He had to stop in the middle because it hurt too much and then finished. I asked him how much tissue was in there that he needed to remove and he said that it was either the size of a half of a dime or a quarter of a dime, I can't remember which. (Yay Xanax! lol) I was expecting to come home and bleed and cramp for days because that's what happened with the colpo. That day I came home and slept most of the day. I spotted a tiny bit, but that was it and there was NO cramping whatsoever. I'm completely shocked. It hurt, but I think I still prefer the LEEP over the colpo just because I don't hurt now like I did after that.

I'm supposed to start aqua physical therapy next week or so, but I forgot to ask if I can get submerged in water. I'm going to call tomorrow just to make sure if I can do it that soon or if I need to wait. I know that I can't have sex (I'd need a guy for that anyway....lol) for like a few weeks and no tampons and stuff.

So all in all....not a horrible experience. I know that I'm totally asking all my female family and friends now if they get their PAPs regularly because I know that if I'd waited, there's a good chance that I would have had cancer.

Thanks again, for all the info. :heart:

EDIT: Wandering finger hit post too soon. 😱
 
I never commented on the xanax in previous replies because most people who arent chronic alcoholics or benzodiazepine users will typically get zonked when given a benzo like xanax. You weren't necessarily zonked, but your memory of the experience does have some gaps here and there 🙂

So.. yeh... the cauterization, lol. There might have been a little bit of bleeding that they wanted to stop it off and when using the bovie to cauterize, there's probably a little bit more current running through the electrode than before. It wouldnt surprise me if during the process of cautery that some of the smooth muscles in the cervix/uterine area got stimulated/shocked by the bovie and caused a uterine contraction(which women describe as painful). It happens, but typically patients are unconscious and breathing through a tube hooked to respirator so there's no visible response.
Otherwise, I'm glad to hear there's no cramping. One of the attending anesthesiologists was trying to make the case for early intervention with pain medications injected locally before starting a procedure because it basically lead to better outcomes when you generously numb up the area and prevent a tremendous inflammatory response that magnifies post-op pain. There was a lot more science behind it which made sense at the time, but that was many suns and moons ago.

Yeh, I would definitely hope everyone without a Y chromosome would be more pro-active in preventive health such as Pap smears, and I would even hope that parents are starting to think a whole lot more about HPV vaccination. Perhaps if more women knew about the total pelvic exenteration or what a condyloma accuminata(NSFW) looks like then everyone(incl. men) would think more seriously about it.

Pipe dreams.

[Edited to add youtube video of anterior pelvic exenteration for those interested]
 
Well I take a lot of different medications, one of which is Morphine, on a daily basis. So....I'm pretty difficult when it comes to most pain killers, muscle relaxers, etc. That's what made me really nervous. I get knocked out when I get an MRI and they have to give me 90 MG of Valium and liquid Versed, then when I'm in the back, they give me more Versed via IV and Fentanyl I believe. That FINALLY knocked me the hell out. haha I was just SO happy with the outcome of this. I mean, the cauterization hurt horribly, but I was really expecting to hurt and bleed so much when I got home that it was just a pleasant surprise. Then, I only had a two-day period. Can't beat that! lol

I haven't looked at the video you posted yet, but I know my best friend already got her daughter (15) the HPV vaccine. She's pretty much on the same page I am. She's had something like I had too, in the past.

SKC - Thank you. 🙂
 
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