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To the point, Judge Jeaine on gun control issue

Oh please, gun rights as a natural right...a horribly intellectually lazy argument.

And her Chicago example is a terrible one; all it does is highlight why one would advocate for a national policy over a local one and make it harder for criminals to get guns.

More echo chamber nonsense.
 
MooseNSquirrel said:
Oh please, gun rights as a natural right...a horribly intellectually lazy argument.

And her Chicago example is a terrible one; all it does is highlight why one would advocate for a national policy over a local one and make it harder for criminals to get guns.

More echo chamber nonsense.
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Then explain to me why my home county (Fairfax County VA) directly borders DC (they're our entire northern border), yet has 1/20 the murder rate. It's not like we're lacking targets, you'd make more money robbing some of the rich people living around my area than you would some shitty apartment in the projects.

Meanwhile, explain to me why Virginia has lax gun laws, but 1/5 the gun crime of DC. Given your logic, and the strictness of Maryland's gun laws, that leaves Virginia holding the bag for DC's gun crime, right? We're the only pro-gun state they share a border with. Well if we're the source of such evil, then why isn't Virginia a cesspool of murder?

The answer is hardly trivial, but a lot of it has to do with the simple fact that Virginia doesn't have parole for felons. Period. If you are convicted of a felony and sent to a Virginia prison, you will stay there for the duration of your sentence. It increased our prison population and cost, but crime state-wide went down significantly after its enactment. Funny how things work out when you bypass the symptom and treat the problem.
 
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irishScott said:
Then explain to me why my home county (Fairfax County VA) directly borders DC (they're our entire northern border), yet has 1/20 the murder rate. It's not like we're lacking targets, you'd make more money robbing some of the rich people living around my area than you would some shitty apartment in the projects.

Meanwhile, explain to me why Virginia has lax gun laws, but 1/5 the gun crime of DC. Given your logic, and the strictness of Maryland's gun laws, that leaves Virginia holding the bag for DC's gun crime, right? We're the only gun-free state they share a border with. Well if we're the source of such evil, then why isn't Virginia a cesspool of murder?

The answer is hardly trivial, but a lot of it has to do with the simple fact that Virginia doesn't have parole for felons. Period. If you are convicted of a felony and sent to a Virginia prison, you will stay there for the duration of your sentence. It increased our prison population and cost, but crime state-wide went down significantly after its enactment. Funny how things work out when you bypass the symptom and treat the problem.
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I agree that the answer is hardly trivial, but I think you would be hard pressed to find a causation case for your parole theory.

My point stands though, she is making a broad claim with no support for her argument.
 
MooseNSquirrel said:
I agree that the answer is hardly trivial, but I think you would be hard pressed to find a causation case for your parole theory.

My point stands though, she is making a broad claim with no support for her argument.
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There are dozens of studies supporting it. Where are yours? Do you know better than the CDC about the efficacy of gun laws?

I don't believe the politicians are stupid. They know these laws don work. But they are motivated by votes so it doesn't matter what they think; it matters what the voters think. As long as people like moosesquirel are voting they will keep pushing for whatever gets them votes even if the efficacy of what they are passing has already been shown to be nonexistent.
 
Guns aren't the problem. It's the hand that wields one. No law will ever stop a person who is dedicated to obtaining a gun and misusing it, or breaking any law for that mater. Guns are so readily available in the US that there is no law you will ever pass that will even slow someone down in obtaining one, unless they choose to obey that law, in which case makes them law-abiding and not a threat.

Limiting the legal ownership of firearms only gives the criminal more reason to obtain one and gain the advantage over the unarmed citizen.

I know it's unsettling to think that we, the human animal, are the problem, but it's a load of crap to think we can pass laws that will change Man's nature.

We need to teach our children better, and rightly put the blame for evil actions on the evildoers themselves, if we ever want to evolve as a society.
 
Were we go again with the gun psychosis. Gather round, everybody, and vomit up your programming. Pet your pistol time.
 
I'm sorry, MNS and Moonbeam, we lowly Proles aren't allowed to have guns are we?

🙄
 
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irishScott said:
Then explain to me why my home county (Fairfax County VA) directly borders DC (they're our entire northern border), yet has 1/20 the murder rate. It's not like we're lacking targets, you'd make more money robbing some of the rich people living around my area than you would some shitty apartment in the projects.

Meanwhile, explain to me why Virginia has lax gun laws, but 1/5 the gun crime of DC. Given your logic, and the strictness of Maryland's gun laws, that leaves Virginia holding the bag for DC's gun crime, right? We're the only pro-gun state they share a border with. Well if we're the source of such evil, then why isn't Virginia a cesspool of murder?

The answer is hardly trivial, but a lot of it has to do with the simple fact that Virginia doesn't have parole for felons. Period. If you are convicted of a felony and sent to a Virginia prison, you will stay there for the duration of your sentence. It increased our prison population and cost, but crime state-wide went down significantly after its enactment. Funny how things work out when you bypass the symptom and treat the problem.
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Maybe guns in DC are coming from VA?
 
soundforbjt said:
Maybe guns in DC are coming from VA?
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So why isn't DC crime coming into Virginia? Or moreover, why doesn't Virginia, for all its guns, have anything resembling DC crime?

Guns are not the problem, and gun control is a surface solution at its absolute best and, in the United States, is typically completely ineffective.
 
zsdersw said:
I'm sorry, MNS and Moonbeam, we lowly Proles aren't allowed to have guns are we?

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To the contrary, the second amendment say you can own guns. You gun psychos just seem to be too stupid to know it, like fucking morons who have armed yourself to the teeth to do battle with a few mice, apoplectic about nothing. Life isn't fair. If you parade around like an idiot, somebody is going to tell you. It might as well be me.
 
Moonbeam said:
To the contrary, the second amendment say you can own guns. You gun psychos just seem to be too stupid to know it, like fucking morons who have armed yourself to the teeth to do battle with a few mice, apoplectic about nothing. Life isn't fair. If you parade around like an idiot, somebody is going to tell you. It might as well be me.
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?????
 
nextJin said:
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Read his sig.

The above is probably just my usual sarcasm and in no way reflects my real opinion (and,or) may include subtleties of sufficient rarity as to appear to the unsuspecting like total gibberish. It may not be so much a matter that I'm far out, but rather that you have never been anywhere.
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Moonbeam is easily the most hipster poster here.
 
irishScott said:
So why isn't DC crime coming into Virginia? Or moreover, why doesn't Virginia, for all its guns, have anything resembling DC crime?

Guns are not the problem, and gun control is a surface solution at its absolute best and, in the United States, is typically completely ineffective.
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Because DC is a large city. It's resident makeup is different than your county. I'm not as familiar with that area of the country, but I can guarantee with 2 neighboring counties, there are vast differences between the two areas.

The population of a city, its demographics, etc can change the crime rates. In general, cities are more dense in people, and also more dense in crime. Crime rates are also typically higher in cities also. What are you trying to say?

You're acting as if gun laws alone equate to why DC has a horrendous crime rate and Fairfax County does not. I'd argue the real reason is behind socioeconomic factors, and demographic factors. Not just laws.
 
DLeRium said:
Because DC is a large city. It's resident makeup is different than your county. I'm not as familiar with that area of the country, but I can guarantee with 2 neighboring counties, there are vast differences between the two areas.

The population of a city, its demographics, etc can change the crime rates. In general, cities are more dense in people, and also more dense in crime. Crime rates are also typically higher in cities also. What are you trying to say?

You're acting as if gun laws alone equate to why DC has a horrendous crime rate and Fairfax County does not. I'd argue the real reason is behind socioeconomic factors, and demographic factors. Not just laws.
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Which is exactly my point. Guns do not cause crime, which is why areas with extreme gun control have seen little to no reduction in crime.

MooseNSquirrel claimed that Chicago's local gun control failure is a supporting argument for federal gun control, because Chicago can't control what comes in (illegally, I might add) from other localities. I pointed out that you can't blame one locality's gun laws for another's gun crime, using Fairfax County and DC as examples.

Here in Virginia we get along with our fairly loose gun laws just fine. If DC is expericing an illegal influx of guns from us and the resultant gun crime, the problem is with the living conditions in DC, not Virginian gun laws; and it is up to the government and people of DC to fix those issues.

Those who say that the fed should pass universal gun control so that big city gun control schemes can work is akin to saying the UN should pass universal immigration law and deploy peacekeepers to prevent illegal immigration between Mexico and the US, because our illegal immigration problem is all Mexico's fault! 🙄
 
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