When it comes down to it, I think people vote with their wallets more than anything. In these terms, the GOP platform attracts Libertarians over the Dems.
Also I keep reading, with a double-take to make sure it isn't a joke, that Dems think the way to win our hearts is to become even more socialist and push the welfare state even harder.
Like I said a few posts back, I only voted Kerry in the hope of creating gridlock and curbing the excesses of both parties. That was without considering supreme court nominations though.
Most people do vote with their wallets, but most are also short-sighted. Expect to see a "1982" within this decade. Dubya will try his best not to have it under his watch, but it will happen.
Vic
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Wow what? Didn't you read my post? A tax cut without a corresponding decrease in government spending is a net tax increase. Because the resulting deficit must be borrowed, the borrowed funds must be paid over time along with interest, and the result is an effective tax increase. And that's just if spending stays the same. Bush has greatly increased spending, which makes the effective tax increase that much more. His current policy of "borrow and spend" is to hide these tax increases, but rest assured we will be paying these additional taxes for decades to come. And not just through increased taxes, but through higher interest rates and inflation.
Your argument is like saying that a man could take a pay cut, make up the reduction in his income with his credit cards, and thus didn't take a pay cut at all. Obviously it doesn't work that way.
1) Take the quiz and see where you end up:
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
2) Read the party philosophy and decide if you agree.
http://www.lp.org/issues/issues.shtml
"Libertarians believe the answer to America's political problems is the same commitment to freedom that earned America its greatness: a free-market economy and the abundance and prosperity it brings; a dedication to civil liberties and personal freedom that marks this country above all others; and a foreign policy of non-intervention, peace, and free trade as prescribed by America's founders."
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
2) Read the party philosophy and decide if you agree.
http://www.lp.org/issues/issues.shtml
"Libertarians believe the answer to America's political problems is the same commitment to freedom that earned America its greatness: a free-market economy and the abundance and prosperity it brings; a dedication to civil liberties and personal freedom that marks this country above all others; and a foreign policy of non-intervention, peace, and free trade as prescribed by America's founders."
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as far as im concerned voting lately seems to be based on who will screw us over the least
at least thats been my opinion
at least thats been my opinion
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I posted the links so those who believed they were Libertarians could get a reality check.
Man, a really tough question.
I have to admit; I like personal freedoms, until I feel uncomfortable. Allowing the southern baptists, jews, kkk, muslims and wiccans to all put up their holiday displays on government property ascribes to freedom we claim to hold dearly too.
Quite honestly, as I get older, I am more and more annoyed with the desire of young people to attempt to entertain entire intersections with their choice of music.
JFK seemed to get hammered with flip-flop and pandering; it seems to me that politicians have to do this as their constituency makes their desires clear.
GWB ... Good, bad or indifferent, I had a pretty good read on what he personally held as a set of values. I go with GWB.
No one has outspent a republican in my memory. Despite laughable hints at being the party of smaller government, no republican administration has actually been about that since before the 50's. At least the dems are open about wanting govt increases.
That being said, it's not an easy choice. Not only are dems about a strong central fed, they've consistatnly stood opposed to 2nd ammendment rights, and been generally complacent about watching other rights get bent over with no lube. They complain about it, but they never actually stand up to stop it.
*sigh* overall I'd say neither.
That being said, it's not an easy choice. Not only are dems about a strong central fed, they've consistatnly stood opposed to 2nd ammendment rights, and been generally complacent about watching other rights get bent over with no lube. They complain about it, but they never actually stand up to stop it.
*sigh* overall I'd say neither.
A Kerry presidency would mean 2 more liberal Supreme Court justices. Can you say absolute power?
Amused
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Why should I deny it? Why should any prgmatic libertarian minded person? Why is that shameful?
Libertarians are anti-socialist and anti nanny-state. THESE issues are the only ones really progressing in this country. We are not really losing any social liberties, in fact we are have been gaining some.
We are becoming increasingly socialist, and nanny-state. You may like that, I do not.
As I said before, Republicans are NEARLY as socialist as Democrats, but not quite. And they are very anti-nanny state. They also don't feel the need to disarm the public.
At the same time, social liberties have been gaining, while financial liberties have been decreasing. With that, and given the fact that libertarian candidates don't stand a chance, who should a libertarian vote for?
:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:
Well said - I thought that I was the only one here that had actually taken a few econ and business courses to realise what a complete and unmitigated disaster Bush's deficit spending is for the US...
Future Shock
I test Libertarian on most political tests...and I used to vote Republican, even worked for the Reagan campaign.
Now I vote Democrat...better to pay for those programs out of current taxes, than increase the defict...
Future Shock
Engineer
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Bush presidencey means 2 more conservative SCJ. OK?
I didn't say I wanted Kerry or Bush. I don't spend too much time on the SC stuff...I want fiscally conservative people and I don't seem to have a full menu to choose from. Actually, only crumbs are left on both sides of the plate.
Spending, socialist programs, deficits....ARE all out of control. Hell, maybe Bush with a Democrat congress would be at least somewhat fiscally conservative. As of now, he's a drunken whore pimp of spending.
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