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To scsi raid or to raptor raid?

Originally posted by: Rapsven
They are the same, except raptors are cheaper.

Unless you're talking about 15k SCSI drives....
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They same? I would have to disagree until we know more about he's going to use the raid for. I think in server type uses the scsi is still far superior but I don't know much so that is just my opinion from the little research I did before I bought a scsi raid system.
 
You're kidding I hope...

SCSI RAID >*

SATA HBA cannot compare to SCSI HBA in the mid and high end calibre.

Of course these aren't for desktop use so...

Cheers!
 
SCSI. For RAID, nothing beats SCSI.
For desktop use, nothing beats SCSI (but Raptors come very close in single tasks).
 
SCSI is the best you can get (with exception of the HDD where you just buy RAM and plug it into it).

SATA and the Raptors cant TOUCH SCSI.

Also with SCSI though you WILL need some nice cooling (ie. a Fan blowing on it). Also they will not be quiet like the Raptors... but they will be EXTREMELY fast.

-Kevin
 
The title doesn't say it all. Your question is far too vague. Your question is the equivalent to asking whether Ford is faster than GM. Who knows? It depends on which vehicles you pick from each company. There's no correct answer unless you pick specific drives and controllers and tasks you will be using them for. Software RAID'd Raptors will pound the hell out of an army of hardware RAID'd 5400RPM SCSI drives from a decade ago. If all you're looking to do is waste your money on a 2 drive RAID 0 array for surfing the internet and playing games there's no reason to spend the extra money on SCSI because you won't see any speed benefits.
 
For single user tasks the raptor is the fastest drive period, but if you plan on doing things like runing a database server, or something that requires alot of I/O's then scsi may be for you, also SCSI HBA's are by far better than SATA HBA's at this point and for the money you can tend to get a somewhat better scsi HBA than SATA, unless you spend a large amount of money on an SATA HBA your most likely getting junk. In any event hope this helps... 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Arcanedeath
For single user tasks the raptor is the fastest drive period, but if you plan on doing things like runing a database server, or something that requires alot of I/O's then scsi may be for you, also SCSI HBA's are by far better than SATA HBA's at this point and for the money you can tend to get a somewhat better scsi HBA than SATA, unless you spend a large amount of money on an SATA HBA your most likely getting junk. In any event hope this helps... 🙂
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Excuse me ! for single user tasks a 15k SCSI will wipe the floor with a Raptor. The more you have, the more they wipe the floor !
 
Originally posted by: Arcanedeath
For single user tasks the raptor is the fastest drive period, but if you plan on doing things like runing a database server, or something that requires alot of I/O's then scsi may be for you, also SCSI HBA's are by far better than SATA HBA's at this point and for the money you can tend to get a somewhat better scsi HBA than SATA, unless you spend a large amount of money on an SATA HBA your most likely getting junk. In any event hope this helps... 🙂
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Try a virus scan, or applying mail filters to a whole inbox, or defrag, and try browsing the web at the same time. This is considered multi-user as far as benchmarks are concerned...and SCSI will win, hands-down.
 
15K SCSI drives do not beat the raptor for single user tasks, look at the benchmarks before you put your foot in your mouth Storage Review Raptor Article the 74GB raptor is the best single user drive bar none including 15K scsi drives it's that simple and the benchmarks prove it.
 
Originally posted by: Arcanedeath
15K SCSI drives do not beat the raptor for single user tasks, look at the benchmarks before you put your foot in your mouth Storage Review Raptor Article the 74GB raptor is the best single user drive bar none including 15K scsi drives it's that simple and the benchmarks prove it.
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From that StorageReview article...

"WD740GD approaches the performance of the 15k RPM Fujitsu MAS3735 and Maxtor Atlas 15k in the Office and Gaming DriveMarks. Further, it handily bests the two powerhouses in the High-End and Bootup DriveMarks. Overall, for non-server use, Western Digital's Raptor WD740GD is the fastest single hard disk one can buy regardless of spindle speed, interface, or price. The fact that it is so quiet, runs much cooler, and remains significantly less expensive than its SCSI counterparts is simply icing on the cake. Make no mistake about it- the Raptor WD740GD is the drive for power users, period."

I've got a pair of Raptors in RAID0 (striped) right now but when I do my next upgrade I'm going to split them so my 2 best systems are running a single 74GB Raptor.

 
Well, regardless of their conclusion, the Raptor only 2 out of 13 of the benchmarks and that was not by a rediculous amount. The way I saw it, the Maxtor Atlas 15k won. And as said, try running a virus scan while doing something else, or any two drive intensive things at once, and SCSI destroys SATA.
 
So the Atlas won the other 11 out of the 4 single user tests? How does that math work? The results I saw were the 15k and the Raptor splitting the 4 single user tests which are the only ones applicable here. One thing the review definitely shows is that if you want SCSI to be faster than the Raptor for home use, there is only one drive you can pick that will sometimes be faster. You can no longer blindly pick highend SCSI and think it will always be faster. At least not with the current drives available. Things may change soon, if dirve manufacturers ever decide to release the new drives they announced would be available months ago.
 
i bet if you had both setup at the same time it would be even faster, maybe use the scsi drive for OS and the raptor for storage.
 
Well you can find a test somewhere to back up any argument you want.:roll: I have run IDE raid and SCSI raid with 2 15k drives, I've also ran a single 36gig raptor. By far the best setup I've used is the one I'm currently running.... a single 15k 36gig SCSI for boot drive and large SATA for storage. The raid isn't going to do anything for you in a normal single user setup unless you do something that writes very large files to the drives a lot. IMO a lot of people buy into the raid0 because of a lot of hype, kinda like SATA, the ONLY advantage right now with SATA is the smaller cables wich don't impede airflow as much as IDE cables. The only performance difference between the Raptors and regular IDE drives is in the rpm. You can't beat 15k rpm and sub 4 seek times that you get with the SCSI drives. Take a look at seek times, that is what will give the " wow, this thing is fast" feeling.:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: Arcanedeath
15K SCSI drives do not beat the raptor for single user tasks, look at the benchmarks before you put your foot in your mouth Storage Review Raptor Article the 74GB raptor is the best single user drive bar none including 15K scsi drives it's that simple and the benchmarks prove it.
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So what part of that article shows the Raptor as being the best single user drive "bar none"?

Foot, meet mouth.
 
Originally posted by: Dopefiend
Originally posted by: Arcanedeath
15K SCSI drives do not beat the raptor for single user tasks, look at the benchmarks before you put your foot in your mouth Storage Review Raptor Article the 74GB raptor is the best single user drive bar none including 15K scsi drives it's that simple and the benchmarks prove it.
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So what part of that article shows the Raptor as being the best single user drive "bar none"?

Foot, meet mouth.
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He pwned himself :Q How funny is that!
 
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