Hey, I just realized that Newegg has a good price on the P182. $110 after rebate for those of you interested in this case.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16811129025
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16811129025
Those same vented PCI bracket covers came on the Antec Nine Hundred that I have, duh. So you think those are dropping your video card temps by 9C? ROFL!
I will stand by my statement before that the P18X series cases are very poorly designed and not as effective as the Antec Nine Hundred in cooling and noise. Of course you don't have a clue. You're in P182 la-la land.
How old are you by the way? I want to make sure it's someone older than me calling me a "young kid" and raving about their BS degree on an internet forum.
Nobody should be interested in the case. You can get the Antec Nine Hundred at Buy.com for under $100. Much better case! Cools better than the P182 and the large 200mm fan is more quiet and moves more air!
http://www.buy.com/prod/antec-...loc/101/202997579.html
Allright, you just won the most obnoxious poster award I have seen so far.
You kinda stopped responding to the CFM discussion, does that mean you admit your loss, and agree with us that you cannot add the CFM from a intake and an exhaust fan, and that only the pressure gets boosted, but not the amount of air moving through the case per each unit of time? It would look good on you ya know. No one is saying you are not entitled to your opinion. But you should stop being obnoxious, like saying: "Much better case!" for example, because it's all relative. I don't particularly like the looks of the Antec 900, it might cool better too, but I doubt it's going to be as quiet as my p182. Try saying, "In my opinion the Antec 900 is a much better case!".
I suppose even an 29 year old could learn something from a 21 year old. So I doubt it matters how old Ozoneman is, since you are clearly behaving like a kid, and I can understand why he refers to you as one. It takes very little decency and common sense to be a normal poster on these forums, but you've got some catching up to do for sure.
You kinda stopped responding to the CFM discussion, does that mean you admit your loss, and agree with us that you cannot add the CFM from a intake and an exhaust fan, and that only the pressure gets boosted, but not the amount of air moving through the case per each unit of time? It would look good on you ya know. No one is saying you are not entitled to your opinion. But you should stop being obnoxious, like saying: "Much better case!" for example, because it's all relative. I don't particularly like the looks of the Antec 900, it might cool better too, but I doubt it's going to be as quiet as my p182. Try saying, "In my opinion the Antec 900 is a much better case!".
I suppose even an 29 year old could learn something from a 21 year old. So I doubt it matters how old Ozoneman is, since you are clearly behaving like a kid, and I can understand why he refers to you as one. It takes very little decency and common sense to be a normal poster on these forums, but you've got some catching up to do for sure.
I think everyone can agree that jonmcc33 has been contributing little to most of the threads he participates in, but let's focus on the OP, for now.
The P180/182 is a great case, quiet and cool. The rear vent that jonmcc33 points out was in fact intended for a duct system that was a complete flop, so with subsequent revisions it has been removed. Anyone that reads the first page of this thread can see that since its launch this case has been improved drastically. You wanted to know if it was a case that lead for it's price range, you bet. There's always a better one out there somewhere but you know what, you made your choice and I hope you enjoy your case.
jonmcc33,
By now you may have noticed that threads you participate in often become hostile arguments. This isn't the fault of other members. Please review the Anandforum guidelines, particularly the first one which prohibits personal attacks. Other members here have attacked your ideas, you have attacked the posters. Unfortunately, when one person throws a punch a fight usually starts, so yes, you have been personally insulted, as well. But this sort of behavior isn't typical of this forum, and I think everyone here will agree that it happens more when you're involved than otherwise.
I ask you to do two things to become a better participant on these forums. First, cease your ad hominem attacks, they detract not contribute to this forum. Second, open yourself up to the possibility that you're wrong. Stubbornness serves no purpose in civilized debate.
Everyone else,
If a poster, jonmcc33 or otherwise, posts something inflammatory or starts an argument that seemingly has no end because of their stubbornness, ignore it. If someone personally attacks you, PM a mod, link the thread and let them delete the post, don't bother returning the attack.
I hope we can all work together to everyday improve this forum through our participation. Thanks for listening.
tno
The P180/182 is a great case, quiet and cool. The rear vent that jonmcc33 points out was in fact intended for a duct system that was a complete flop, so with subsequent revisions it has been removed. Anyone that reads the first page of this thread can see that since its launch this case has been improved drastically. You wanted to know if it was a case that lead for it's price range, you bet. There's always a better one out there somewhere but you know what, you made your choice and I hope you enjoy your case.
jonmcc33,
By now you may have noticed that threads you participate in often become hostile arguments. This isn't the fault of other members. Please review the Anandforum guidelines, particularly the first one which prohibits personal attacks. Other members here have attacked your ideas, you have attacked the posters. Unfortunately, when one person throws a punch a fight usually starts, so yes, you have been personally insulted, as well. But this sort of behavior isn't typical of this forum, and I think everyone here will agree that it happens more when you're involved than otherwise.
I ask you to do two things to become a better participant on these forums. First, cease your ad hominem attacks, they detract not contribute to this forum. Second, open yourself up to the possibility that you're wrong. Stubbornness serves no purpose in civilized debate.
Everyone else,
If a poster, jonmcc33 or otherwise, posts something inflammatory or starts an argument that seemingly has no end because of their stubbornness, ignore it. If someone personally attacks you, PM a mod, link the thread and let them delete the post, don't bother returning the attack.
I hope we can all work together to everyday improve this forum through our participation. Thanks for listening.
tno
MarcVenice and tno,
Well said! I regret getting mixed up with the guy, but it is very hard to ignore someone that is calling you a liar. Now let's get on with sharing some useful information!
I just happen to have an Antec 900 case too. My son uses that case. It is a nice case especially for the price. I occasionally see them on sale for about $80 (what I paid). I don't know how dirty it will get since there are no filters to prevent the dust from entering the case, but I guess I will find out soon because I told my son that we should probably take a look inside and clean it out since he's had it for about 3 months now. I didn't get one for myself because I wanted a classier looking case. I wasn't in to the blue fans and the irregular shaped window. Weather the case is more quiet than a P182, I guess it would depend on how fast the fan speeds are set. In either case, if the fans are set to low, they are both quiet. One other thing I especially like about the P182 is that it lets you manage your wires well. It was a lot of fun trying to figure the best way to run the wires to minimize visible wire clutter when putting the P182 system together.
Well said! I regret getting mixed up with the guy, but it is very hard to ignore someone that is calling you a liar. Now let's get on with sharing some useful information!
I just happen to have an Antec 900 case too. My son uses that case. It is a nice case especially for the price. I occasionally see them on sale for about $80 (what I paid). I don't know how dirty it will get since there are no filters to prevent the dust from entering the case, but I guess I will find out soon because I told my son that we should probably take a look inside and clean it out since he's had it for about 3 months now. I didn't get one for myself because I wanted a classier looking case. I wasn't in to the blue fans and the irregular shaped window. Weather the case is more quiet than a P182, I guess it would depend on how fast the fan speeds are set. In either case, if the fans are set to low, they are both quiet. One other thing I especially like about the P182 is that it lets you manage your wires well. It was a lot of fun trying to figure the best way to run the wires to minimize visible wire clutter when putting the P182 system together.
You don't know me so I don't care.
LOL! Because I don't care what you have to say maybe? My discussion wasn't with you anyway, it was with Ozone and he's the one that stopped responding to me. Got it?
You are in no place to tell me what to do or how to think. Nice try though!
LOL! Look at you, acting all superior. I'm not threatening anyone so nothing is hostile. If anything the discussion is a little more entertaining and not so much a bunch of geek fanboy talk. Productive is what I would call it.
The rest of your crap I don't care what you have to say.
What, unable to support yourself so you have to rely upon others? Do you feel stupid with your "young kid" comment? You're a giant hypocrite.
I'd rather spare myself of having such worthless conversations with you in the future since you have no clue what you're talking about. You couldn't complete conversations with me, resorting to childish insults and fabricate the truth.
I'll remember your name based simply upon that.
I seriously considered the 900 as well but I found a deal on the SOLO that I just couldn't pass up and haven't been dissappointed. I really like your rig though, I'm not big on lights and windows but your case looks awesome. How satisfied are you with the performance of that Freezer Pro? (little off topic) I'm a little dissatisfied with my Zalman (a bit of an impulse buy) and have trouble deciding between going high end (ultra120extreme) or middle of the road.
tno
tno
I picked the Freezer Pro because at the time I had the Cooler Master case. It had a mobo tray that slide out. When I slid it out there was only 5 inches of clearance. I wanted a Scythe Ninja but it was too tall. I settled for the Freezer Pro 7 because it was short enough for the case. Now that I have the P182 I could have gone with the Scythe Ninja. BTW I was also limiting myself to a cooler that had the push-pins because I didn't want to mess with the cooling backplate on my P35-DQ6 mobo.
I found the FP 7 to work well enough. My core temps are both about 34 to 35 C when my E6850 is stock. I've taken it up to 3.3 GHz and the temp was about 40C. I didn't try to overclock any further so I don't how it would do if I took my cpu to its max.
I found the FP 7 to work well enough. My core temps are both about 34 to 35 C when my E6850 is stock. I've taken it up to 3.3 GHz and the temp was about 40C. I didn't try to overclock any further so I don't how it would do if I took my cpu to its max.
In both instances I used Noctua 120mm, some 1200rpm and some 800rpm. My system in both cases is as follows:
Opteron 1212 OC'd 3Ghz
AC Freezer Pro 64
BFG 590SLI
2Gb OCZ PC6400 SLI
Evga 8800GTS 320mb
2x Raptor 74Gb
WD 500Gb SataII
Creative X-fi Xtreme Audio
Zalman 600-HP Quiet PSU
Optiarc Sata ODD
PC65 - 4 120mm, 2 Intake 2 Exhaust
P182 - 4 120mm 1 Intake 1 Middle HDD bottom chamber 2 Exhaust (Top), 1 92mm Intake
Don't remember exact temps right now but the Lian Li was cooler...as you can see my emphasis is on quiet computing (...Raptors NOT so quiet lol), and even though I swear by the Noctua's, they don't have the 'suck' the more powerful (ie LOUD) fans have.
TNO, I'd buy a 45$ tuniq tower AR at newegg. Superior cooling for a good price, it's almost on par with a thermalright 120 ultra, but it almost costs half, because you've gotta buy a fan for the thermalrigh as well. The p150 should be big enough to handle a tuniq...
Yeah I was looking at that on newegg last night. what do you think about the scythe infinity? It's on sale for 35 on the egg right now and already comes with a fan. (though i've got a yate loon lying around here that's been waiting to be used.
tno
tno
Tuniq comes with a fan too, and is considerably better: http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2937&p=4
If you're gonna pay that amount of money for a aircooler, then get one of the best, which would be the tuniq. It can't be beat for 45$. Use the yate loon as a casefan.
If you're gonna pay that amount of money for a aircooler, then get one of the best, which would be the tuniq. It can't be beat for 45$. Use the yate loon as a casefan.
PCTC2
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Yeah. I just finished building/re-building my two rigs. I put my 680i w/ my Q6600 B3 and Ultra120 into my P182 w/ an Antec NeoHE and my 975X w/ my E6400 into my Antec 900 on the stock cooler with a Corsair 520HX. I originally had the 680i and Q6600 in the Antec 900.
My first observation is that there is really no discernible temperature difference between the cases. Maybe 3C more w/ the quad in the P182 at most from when it was in the 900, but that's it. With the difference in airflow, that's not bad. And I need to reapply the thermal paste it might be equal in temps. That's with all of the fans on low in the P182. The Ultra120 fits better in the p182. In the 900, the side fan got in the way, but with no side fan, the P182 fits the TR U120 fine with the top exhaust pulling directly from the HS. The extra space in the P182 vs the 900 is very useful, as is the addition of cable routing behind the motherboard. I replaced all of the fans in the 900 with Yate Loon DS12-M's controlled by the motherboard and it is fairly quiet, as is the P182. The P182 is much classier with the gunmetal finish and clean cut case over the odd-shaped 900. The dust filters are nice as after a few months, my Antec 900 became a dust-bowl, needing a complete removal to clean every 4 months. One downside to the P182 is the lack of usability of the bottom PCI slot/use of a double-slot video card in SLI b/c of the power cable routing through the slot between partitions. The lockable door is a nice touch as is the 270deg hinge. The rubber grommets on the P182 in the HDD bays are much more usable over the badly designed HDD bays in the 900.
Antec P182 vs Antec 900.
Size/Space: P182
Cooling: 900
Classiness: P182
HDD Bays: Equal in number but P182 wins in ease and "features"
Antec P182:
Pros: Size, compartmentalized, classy, dust filters, door, cable routing
Cons: Lack of usability of bottom PCI slot
Antec 900:
Pros: Airflow
Cons: Dust, cramped space, lack of cable routing, PITA HDD bays
I have to say, however, that Antec makes pretty good cases. I don't regret buying either.
My first observation is that there is really no discernible temperature difference between the cases. Maybe 3C more w/ the quad in the P182 at most from when it was in the 900, but that's it. With the difference in airflow, that's not bad. And I need to reapply the thermal paste it might be equal in temps. That's with all of the fans on low in the P182. The Ultra120 fits better in the p182. In the 900, the side fan got in the way, but with no side fan, the P182 fits the TR U120 fine with the top exhaust pulling directly from the HS. The extra space in the P182 vs the 900 is very useful, as is the addition of cable routing behind the motherboard. I replaced all of the fans in the 900 with Yate Loon DS12-M's controlled by the motherboard and it is fairly quiet, as is the P182. The P182 is much classier with the gunmetal finish and clean cut case over the odd-shaped 900. The dust filters are nice as after a few months, my Antec 900 became a dust-bowl, needing a complete removal to clean every 4 months. One downside to the P182 is the lack of usability of the bottom PCI slot/use of a double-slot video card in SLI b/c of the power cable routing through the slot between partitions. The lockable door is a nice touch as is the 270deg hinge. The rubber grommets on the P182 in the HDD bays are much more usable over the badly designed HDD bays in the 900.
Antec P182 vs Antec 900.
Size/Space: P182
Cooling: 900
Classiness: P182
HDD Bays: Equal in number but P182 wins in ease and "features"
Antec P182:
Pros: Size, compartmentalized, classy, dust filters, door, cable routing
Cons: Lack of usability of bottom PCI slot
Antec 900:
Pros: Airflow
Cons: Dust, cramped space, lack of cable routing, PITA HDD bays
I have to say, however, that Antec makes pretty good cases. I don't regret buying either.
Curious as to how you see that the P182 wins in "ease" with the HDD bays? Do you have to route cables in and out of chambers into a cramped area on the Antec 900 like you do the P182? SATA cables aren't that bad but PATA cables? It's a nightmare for 4 HDDs in the lower chamber.
The P182 has removable cages, as does the 900 (with thumbscrews). If anything the HDD bays on the Antec 900 are better because each has a stock 120mm TriCool mounted in front of the bay. The P182 only has a single fan in the lower chamber behind the HDD cage.
Classiness? I guess you could rate style on that maybe? I honestly can't stand doors. So the P182 gets huge negatives from me on that for such a big door (plus the original P180 cases had doors that warped). I do think that the side window on the 900 makes it look low class. But that's why I replaced it with a side panel without the window. After you do that you have a solid black case with nice angles and design. Looks far better than the P182 in my book.
BTW, another question I have is of this dust? Anything with fans will have dust. Dust cakes up on the filters on the P182 as well as the vents. So it's really nice to open your case and see a wad of dust, eh?
I'll add another con for the P182, the bottom silicone feet. They are glued on. 3 of the 4 came off of my P180 when moving it. The case was just a headache and a pain in my ass. When I got my Antec 900 the first thing I did was test the feet. Heh heh. They didn't come off at all.
PCTC2
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Originally posted by: jonmcc33
Curious as to how you see that the P182 wins in "ease" with the HDD bays? Do you have to route cables in and out of chambers into a cramped area on the Antec 900 like you do the P182? SATA cables aren't that bad but PATA cables? It's a nightmare for 4 HDDs in the lower chamber.
The P182 has removable cages, as does the 900 (with thumbscrews). If anything the HDD bays on the Antec 900 are better because each has a stock 120mm TriCool mounted in front of the bay. The P182 only has a single fan in the lower chamber behind the HDD cage.
Classiness? I guess you could rate style on that maybe? I honestly can't stand doors. So the P182 gets huge negatives from me on that for such a big door (plus the original P180 cases had doors that warped). I do think that the side window on the 900 makes it look low class. But that's why I replaced it with a side panel without the window. After you do that you have a solid black case with nice angles and design. Looks far better than the P182 in my book.
BTW, another question I have is of this dust? Anything with fans will have dust. Dust cakes up on the filters on the P182 as well as the vents. So it's really nice to open your case and see a wad of dust, eh?
I'll add another con for the P182, the bottom silicone feet. They are glued on. 3 of the 4 came off of my P180 when moving it. The case was just a headache and a pain in my ass. When I got my Antec 900 the first thing I did was test the feet. Heh heh. They didn't come off at all.
I can see why they sh*t on you here. Do you ever have anything positive to say?
1) 1 Thumbscrew vs 8 per cage. The Top HDD bay you can put another 120 in front of. I have 6 HDD's in my P182 and 2 are PATA in the bottom and it's quite simple to install.
2) It has a simple rectangular design. No crazy sloped top or bulging 200mm fan cage mount. The front is not flush. I just looks messy. P182 with the gunmetal finish just looks straight up clean and classy. With the door, it makes it look neat and it locks. You're just one opinion. A lot of other people like doors.
3) I'd rather clean my filters than having to pull the HDD cages out to clean.
4) Nuts to you. Mine are fine and I've moved my P182 many times since I got it last week. It's all about silence with silicone and rubber.
I just wanted to put out my comparison of the cases out there. You don't have to be a d-bag and just disagree with everything. I have never read anything positive that you have added to these forums. Please, please, please, just read what tno posted and abide by it. Thanks.
LOL! You're taking this personal? Like the thread title states, to P182 or to not P182. I'm giving valid reasons why one case is better. No more crap about CFM and junk. But in response to your comments.
1. Who says you have to leave all those thumbscrews in? The cage is secure with just one. That's what I use. The top HDD bay doesn't come with a fan at all. Simple? It's simple to route all those power and data cables into that cramped bay? Hmmm...
2. LOL @ sloped top. It's angled so it's easier to get to the USB, Firewire and power buttons if your case were low to the floor. I don't know what you mean by any "bulging fan". It's like 2mm that stick out at the top and having a silent 200mm fan is quite worth it in my book. The P182 actually looks like a giant refrigerator. Who needs locks on a case? What are you doing, preventing someone from stealing your optical drive?
3. No need to pull HDD cages to clean anything. Use a can of air. I only pull a cage out to add or remove a hard drive.
4. The bottom feet on the 900 are rubber last time I checked.
You've never read anything positive that I have added to these forums? Are they yours or something? You need to look harder also. I was being quite decent with my post and didn't insult your opinion but add my own. Am I not allowed to post my opinion on a case inside a thread that's all about the reasons to own or not to own a case?
1. Who says you have to leave all those thumbscrews in? The cage is secure with just one. That's what I use. The top HDD bay doesn't come with a fan at all. Simple? It's simple to route all those power and data cables into that cramped bay? Hmmm...
2. LOL @ sloped top. It's angled so it's easier to get to the USB, Firewire and power buttons if your case were low to the floor. I don't know what you mean by any "bulging fan". It's like 2mm that stick out at the top and having a silent 200mm fan is quite worth it in my book. The P182 actually looks like a giant refrigerator. Who needs locks on a case? What are you doing, preventing someone from stealing your optical drive?
3. No need to pull HDD cages to clean anything. Use a can of air. I only pull a cage out to add or remove a hard drive.
4. The bottom feet on the 900 are rubber last time I checked.
You've never read anything positive that I have added to these forums? Are they yours or something? You need to look harder also. I was being quite decent with my post and didn't insult your opinion but add my own. Am I not allowed to post my opinion on a case inside a thread that's all about the reasons to own or not to own a case?
I don't know whether he posted this info or not, but I don't recall seeing what case he had prior to switching to the P182. So he may not be BSing. Regardless, who cares? You don't like the case, fine, you don't like it. You don't have to sell everyone on it.
Here's a prime example of someone learning a lesson about the P182...again, lower chamber fan location.
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=37&threadid=2116454
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=37&threadid=2116454
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