To OLED or not to OLED???

[WhiteNoise]

The LG OLED sets have 21ms of input lag in game mode from any resolution or HDR mode. That’s pretty darn good. To be perfectly honest I just purchased a 65” B7 yesterday. Pretty nice. Could be brighter for HDR but the black levels help give the appearance of the highlights being brighter than they really are. I am very cautious about getting burn in though. Also the game mode is quite dark in hdr and I had to adjust some settings to get it to appear correctly and not be unplayable.

I love OLED so no need to convince me lol, Its the burn in I worry about and for good reason. Until they eliminate burn in I will not buy OLED for a gaming monitor. I mean if it is you main tv with some gaming I think it is fine but I would be using it as a PC monitor and burn in would be a real concern.

My sammy has a beautiful 4k HDR screen on it and it is absolutely fantastic. No burn in worries and decent input lag.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I love OLED so no need to convince me lol, Its the burn in I worry about and for good reason. Until they eliminate burn in I will not buy OLED for a gaming monitor. I mean if it is you main tv with some gaming I think it is fine but I would be using it as a PC monitor and burn in would be a real concern.

My sammy has a beautiful 4k HDR screen on it and it is absolutely fantastic. No burn in worries and decent input lag.

Yeah I don't plug my PC into this one except explicitly for games but then I switch right back to my monitor. Showing the desktop would definitely be a problem for these. I still stand by my recommendation before, my usage for the OLED is mostly movies and streaming content. No regular TV at all and I don't have as much time for gaming as I used to so that's really only a small percentage of my usage now.

 

[Batmeat]

I’m going against a lot recommendations and saying don’t buy OLED. They all suffer screen burn in, and if your like me, or have little kids, the screen is going to get left on then you’ll be screwed. I’m waiting for MICRO LED screens which have identical blacks and no burn in issues.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I’m going against a lot recommendations and saying don’t buy OLED. They all suffer screen burn in, and if your like me, or have little kids, the screen is going to get left on then you’ll be screwed. I’m waiting for MICRO LED screens which have identical blacks and no burn in issues.

Nope. Mine is even used as a monitor from my pc since I made the above post and I have no burn in. I also game heavily on it. The key is to vary your content enough.

 

[Batmeat]

Nope. Mine is even used as a monitor from my pc since I made the above post and I have no burn in. I also game heavily on it. The key is to vary your content enough.

Yea if you vary content it’s fine, but like I said, if you have little kids or if you’re like me and pause a game then forget to come back to it, it’s not worth the risk for burn in. That’s why I’m waiting for micro led.

 

[killster1]

I wouldnt mind purchasing a OLED if the price was lower. (the one i looked at was 5000 for a 75"?)

They have tons of technology for the burn in issues. just reading what is new for the features and i see. ."New for LG's 2018 TVs is an additional burn-in prevention feature called "Logo Luminance Adjustment." It's designed to automatically detect a static on-screen logo and, after two minutes, start decreasing its brightness over about a minute and a half, after which the logo should be 20 percent dimmer. CNET's initial tests of the feature found it does reduce logo brightness a bit, but we don't expect it to be a cure-all given the relatively mild percentage decrease."

looks cool logo luminescence seems exactly what is needed for things stuck on the screen they can be less bright and give more even wear to the pixels. Show me a 65" OLED for 2000 or less and id bite most likely.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

I got my 65" E6 for $2300 like 2 years ago. I imagine when Black Friday or post-CES rolls around you can find sub $2k no problem.

 

[rsutoratosu]

im in the same boat, i saw oled while I was in korea last month, they have it everywhere, airports, hotel,etc... it looks great.. i keep seeing on mass drop the 2018 lg oled for 2100.. not sure why its on mass drop, isn't that where they clear stuff off ?

I have a pretty bright room, not sure if the picture will be affected during day time

 

[thilanliyan]

I have the LG C7 OLED from 2017 and I really like it. I even use it as my PC monitor now.

 

[evident]

Buy an OLED. Don't worry about the burn in. the image is so good. I went from a Panasonic Plasma to a Sony OLED. Skipped all of the LCD garbage in between.

 

[Fallen Kell]

I'm still holding off to see how the longevity of the OLED's hold up. I typically like a TV to last 10 years (my current one is pushing that). I was hoping the mico-led TV's like "The Wall" would be out by now (considering it was at the Jan 2018 CES and we are now in 2019).

 

[pcslookout]

IMO for movies there is nothing better than the OLED LG displays. Sweet baby jesus they are beautiful.

Also IMO I would not buy an OLED TV if it was going to be used for gaming. I prefer the Samsung SUHD.

Do older movies look even better ?

 

[WhiteNoise]

Do older movies look even better ?

I couldn't say. Ive played games and watched HD movies on the LG OLED displays but never DVD or anything older. I don't own one of these TV's but have a friend who does.

 

[Avalon]

We bought an LG 55" C8 in January. I had concerns about burn-in, so we picked up Best Buy's 5 yr warranty, which covers burn in (manufacturer warranty does not). My better half routinely falls asleep on the couch at nights with the TV on, so this was a huge concern of mine. So far no burn in issues, and I've found it on several times just sitting there on a still image with her asleep on the couch. I know it's only been 3 months, but that's a good sign. I'll report back later this year.

As for the TV and the picture quality...holy crap.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

My set started having issues with short term image retention. Every once in a while the home menu bar will ghost on the screen for a minute or two before fading out. I've yet to see any actual burn-in and this issue only occurs sometimes so I'm not sure what would cause it.

 

[killster1]

My set started having issues with short term image retention. Every once in a while the home menu bar will ghost on the screen for a minute or two before fading out. I've yet to see any actual burn-in and this issue only occurs sometimes so I'm not sure what would cause it.

so it took almost 3 years but now it has some ghosting issues? .. what is the home menu bar the one that starts when the TV starts?

 

[GoodRevrnd]

so it took almost 3 years but now it has some ghosting issues? .. what is the home menu bar the one that starts when the TV starts?

Doesn't actually come up when the tv starts, just when you hit the Home menu to access all the apps/inputs. It might mostly happen accessing the menu after cold starts? The IR fades out completely after a couple minutes and I don't have any actual burn in checking w/ grey screens.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Welcome to my concerns with this technology... I still have hope that it is being fixed/improved with newer generations of hardware,. Given that it is hard to artificially age a product to show it's longevity, we won't know for another 2-3 years how well these hold up over time.

 

[lumper1]

I've been looking at replacing my current TV (Samsung UN60ES8000 2012 version) At first I was just going to get the newest Samsung which was a QLED. Then upon research I discovered the Q was marketing and it was just a LED with edge lighting.

This past weekend I was talking to a guy at Best Buy (I was looking to see if I could tell the difference) and he mentioned that an OLED was the much better picture. He highly recommended the Sony XBR65A1E as OLEDs have the best blacks and all the bells and whistles of LED.

My questions are...
1. Is this true? Is this the best TV currently out there?
2. Gaming.. will this work well with the Xbox One X and 4K gaming? Is there lag that would drive me insane?
3. Image retention.. I've read in a few places that some OLEDs have issues with an image burning into the the screen. I've been told that it's easy to clear out, but it take a bit of time for it to do it. Would this TV have that issue?
4. Upscaling. I've heard tales that as there's very little 4K content out there past Blu-Rays that a lot of the 4K TVs upscaling of the picture looks like crap. I would assume that with this price point it wouldn't be that much of an issue, but I still want to know. The guy at Best Buy said this TV has the highest processor so it can handle the upscaling better than the LGs, but he didn't say anything on the normal LEDs and how they did.

My budget for my TV is $4-5K. My old TV died in a water damage that I wrote about in another thread. Insurance is picking up the bulk of the price so I'm not too worried about the cost. I don't want to go overboard and spend too much, but I'm OK with spending as it'll last me at least 5+ years. Gaming on it is a must. While I have plugged my PC into it, I normally game on my couch with a console (the PS4 or Xbox One X) and I have Direct TV.

Thanks for reading..

TLDR: Need new TV

Well, yes Oled tvs have the best image quality out and consistently win the shootouts and reviewers awards.
I own both a Vizio P series 70" led and an LG E9 65" oled that I bought back in Feb.
the oled is awesome!!

and it is ready for next gen consoles coming out later this year with hdmi 2.1 features.
the three downsides to an oled up til now have been 1. brightness, 2. potential for burn in, and 3. the price.
Today prices have never been lower for oleds and are less expensive than some Qleds today.
Burn in has been largely eliminated and when it does occur LG has been great about replacing panels for people even after 4 years and out of warranty, that leaves brightness.

Although an oled peaks around 700 nits, they do have features like dynamic tone mapping that help adjust the curve of the brightness to remain effective when showing hdr and dv content, it looks amazing!!
For the price, and quality to me, there really is no other or better choice than an oled today.
Now, LG VS Sony
Sony has the better image processor, slightly better motion handling and more accurate colors out of the box, they are also more expensive and made with LG display panels.

IF you do not game and only watch tv and movies, then the Sony may have the slight advantage for you, if you game and mix use the tv, the LG is the way to go IMO.
You can buy a 65" C9 for $1800.00 or the new 65" Cx for $2800, ,for the $1800 you can not do better dollar for dollar IMO with any tv.

If I wasnt going to get an Qled I guess I would look at either a Q80 or Q90, but I really prefer the oled.
It is not peak Brightness as much as it is dark shadow details.
Many movies and shows are filmed in dark, like Avengers movies or Star Wars etc.. and this is where oled shines, the details in the dark areas on an oled are 100% better than on any leds I have seen, the shadow detail nad crisp black levels and infinite contrast make them just amazing.
No blooming or halo affect with oleds.

HDR and peak brightness are what you see in those highlights the very momentary specular highlights like the brightest part of an explosion or something, LEDs with higher brightness values will display these highlights better or more brightly, but again, to me, that isnt nearly as important as sustained dark scenes, that can last long periods of time.
Watch the Season 8 epi 3 of Game of Thrones, watch it on a Qled then watch it on an oled, it is excuse the pun, night and day.

 

[MtnMan]

I wanted to replace my 55"HD Visio (worked fine) for something bigger and better. Spent about a week reading, watching reviews, comparing prices, and decided that the OLED was just too much of a penalty in the wallet.

Went with a 65" H8F HiSense unit. I'm one happy camper, and I have $800 - $1000 more money in my pocket than if I went with basically any OLED sets. A plus I didn't realize until I had it a week or so is an Android TV is also a plus.

 

[killster1]

I wanted to replace my 55"HD Visio (worked fine) for something bigger and better. Spent about a week reading, watching reviews, comparing prices, and decided that the OLED was just too much of a penalty in the wallet.

Went with a 65" H8F HiSense unit. I'm one happy camper, and I have $800 - $1000 more money in my pocket than if I went with basically any OLED sets. A plus I didn't realize until I had it a week or so is an Android TV is also a plus.

well a h8f is about 800$ max so id say you have a extra 2000$ in your pocket. you dont however have hdmi2.1, i really dont use android on any tv built in since it doesnt play h265 and most the apps wont load anyway. The 2800$ tv also has 1440@120hz for games (wish it did 4k@120hz and maybe it will when new gfx cards come out that are hdmi2.1?) what the h8f does have almost 300% worse reflection (1.5% vs 5.1%) and a washed out viewing angle.


im excited for these hdmi2.1 tv's just not excited about 3000$ tv's (unless my kids magically stopped throwing objects through the house when im not there)

 

[MtnMan]

well a h8f is about 800$ max so id say you have a extra 2000$ in your pocket. you dont however have hdmi2.1, i really dont use android on any tv built in since it doesnt play h265 and most the apps wont load anyway. The 2800$ tv also has 1440@120hz for games (wish it did 4k@120hz and maybe it will when new gfx cards come out that are hdmi2.1?) what the h8f does have almost 300% worse reflection (1.5% vs 5.1%) and a washed out viewing angle.


im excited for these hdmi2.1 tv's just not excited about 3000$ tv's (unless my kids magically stopped throwing objects through the house when im not there)

Being a 4K set, HDMI 2.0 is not an issue, and wouldn't really gain anything going with 2.1. The 2.0 HDMI-ARC covers everything I need.

Nor am I in for $800, got it for $570

And gaming is not in the equation.. solitaire on my phone is about as gamey as it gets.