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To Managers: How do you feel when a young employee quits?

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There's more to life than incomes. You seem fixated on it.

A manager that's not a total ass bag of a human being should be proud that they gave an employee an opportunity to expand their skills and better themselves professionally.
 
AznAnarchy99 said:
My last manager asked to see my offer sheet so he could counter it. He could not.
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That happens sometimes. If you're running a team where you hire promising n00bs with no experience and pay them way less than they'll be worth in five years, that happens a LOT.

But it's win/win. The employee gets experience and builds professional networks, the employer gets a temporary slave for cheap.
 
good for them?

I know for a fact that I could get a nice pay bump if I found a job outside the company, but it would be hard for a new company to meet the schedule flexibility plus job security that I've got here.
 
I'm not really a manager, but figured I'd chime in. If you're happy in your job, responsibilities, and don't have too much accompanying stress....the money side is less important.

In many cases, I've known people to make more money, but either lose benefits or gain a lot more work/stress. I like settling for mediocrity, taking PTO when I feel like it, and spending my beer money when I get a chance to.

If you make too much money...then lose that job/contract, you'll always be chasing it. It's better to go for something sustainable and live a moderate lifestyle comfortably.
 
i would find out the company, and apply to be his boss there too!

I would be happy for them because I know that the young smart ones are underpaid because I was one too!!!

with young employees, the problem is there are so many new ones each year that they can be easily replaced and they are all paid poorly but they come to work for you to gain experience so they can move on and get better jobs.
 
Scarpozzi said:
I'm not really a manager, but figured I'd chime in. If you're happy in your job, responsibilities, and don't have too much accompanying stress....the money side is less important.

In many cases, I've known people to make more money, but either lose benefits or gain a lot more work/stress. I like settling for mediocrity, taking PTO when I feel like it, and spending my beer money when I get a chance to.

If you make too much money...then lose that job/contract, you'll always be chasing it. It's better to go for something sustainable and live a moderate lifestyle comfortably.
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definitely this.

I had a coworker quit a couple years ago or close to a 50% pay bump, but the new job was 100% traveling to different places every day (iirc, he took a job as a on-site support engineer for EMC or one of their contractors, traveling to different data centers all over the Northeast as needed)... amazingly, he was totally burnt out after the first 6 months and took a pay cut for a job that didn't require traveling.
 
maddogchen said:
i would find out the company, and apply to be his boss there too!

I would be happy for them because I know that the young smart ones are underpaid because I was one too!!!

with young employees, the problem is there are so many new ones each year that they can be easily replaced and they are all paid poorly but they come to work for you to gain experience so they can move on and get better jobs.
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That's just how it is nowadays. There's no real, "I'm going to work in the mail room and move up the corporate ladder" any more. Most companies will try to pay you as little as possible until you get another offer and then if they like you they'll try to beat it. If not you'll just be on your way.
 
I think my manager doesn't have any young employees. There are maybe 4 of us the their 30s, then several 40s and 50s, and a couple of 60s. The manager is like around my age, but he is a genius and a workaholic, so I do not feel jealous that he earns a larger salary, as he clearly earns every penny he makes and then some.
 
Regarding the importance of income level, I'd say it varies based on the situation. That should be obvious, but... not everyone would understand how other people view any given income level and why they may covet more.

For many, it could simply be to make life far more comfortable without changing anything in their life, so, no increased mortgages, no extravagant car payments (perhaps a reasonable upgrade after holding onto a vehicle that is 10+ years old, if not far older), no upgrades for children to private schools or otherwise changing much at all.
For those, a significant pay raise may move from struggling to make ends meet to actually having the ability to put money away in savings and perhaps even set aside from new things, be it college tuition for self or children, or perhaps a significant down-payment to upgrade from the bungalow in an area rapidly becoming sketchy to a modest house where all the yards are green and well-maintained.

For others, it may be an excuse to simply buy more and appear like they have ascended to higher levels for the sake of appearances. They want not the practical but sporty car, but the supercar (and not those entry-level supercars 😛), the apartment or house that costs nearly half their income, etc.

Money doesn't always mean everything, and the balance of work and life will dictate some choices (more hours needed to fulfill requirements or satisfy clients), as will expense to even work somewhere else, such as increased commuting distance (and lost time for longer commutes will dampen the family mood too).

But many times, the satisfaction of making ends meet and providing ample opportunity to actually create a safety net, actually build an investment portfolio or otherwise create a significant retirement fund... the boost in happiness and self-worth that can provide can be difficult to measure, but is otherwise directly influenced by money.
Money management is important, but life is life. Sometimes we bite off more than we can chew simply to have a safe environment (it's always cheap to live in bad neighborhoods... where you draw the line is a personal matter), and I sure as hell cannot fault someone for that. I live by that opinion myself: I'd be shot or have to constantly deal with renters insurance, and I'd like to avoid both thank you very much.
 
I congratulate them and wish them the best with their new opportunity. There's nothing wrong with leaving for a better position if it's out there for you. My own advancement has benefited quite a bit from moving around a bit to make sure I kept learning. I couldn't fault someone for doing the same, I just hope they left having learned a bit from me. Let's face it, if I'm doing my job well, I'm developing my employees. Maybe one sticks around to replace me eventually, but there's a lot that goes into whether someone can move up and timing is a big part of it. If the time is right with Company B and not with us, I think the right choice is to take the opportunity, because they won't always be there if you wait.

If someone leaves to make more than me, that's fine too. By all means, get paid what you're worth. If someone leaves for better pay than me, I know they're going to be working their asses off for it. I've been there. Usually if someone leaves in that situation, they were a good performer on my team too, so the door's probably open if they want to come back in the future.

If they're starting a small business to make more than me, I either don't make shit or that's one hell of a business to be that profitable immediately. If it's the latter, hey, I've had some employees who I've openly stated I'd work for.
 
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