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leinadM

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Due to the fact that I was interrupted by the phone, two mating birds, and my hungry stomach, I was unable to respond to half of the posts. So I?m going to list my thoughts here. I'm not trying to start a new debate, and no one has to respond; I just want everyone to know where I stand.

Firstly, the main reason that I?m against homosexuals raising children is simply because it is unnatural; and I believe that a child is meant to be raised by a father and mother (who can disagree?). As for the other things I said, forget them; they were said in the heat of battle, and though I?m not saying that I?ve changed my mind about certain things; I should have known better than to say something in a forum that I didn?t have immediate proof of.

Secondly - concerning the topic of God and homosexuals - God obviously says that homosexuality is wrong. But so are many of the things that I seem to do everyday. So I?m not going judge anyone, because no sin is really any worse than another, such, fornication, lust, hatred, etc; sin is sin, and God hates it.

Concerning God?s tolerance: God is NOT tolerant towards sin. What could make anyone think that? Yes, he loves us all. And he will forgive us of anything if we ask; but ultimately, if one continues to go through life and never asks for forgiveness and God into his heart, then he will go to hell. Is the Bible not pretty clear on that? Some people can only talk about God?s love; and that is dangerous. There?s a reason for hell, you know.
 
Originally posted by: Hatari Chic
Lesson 4 - never start a new thread to continue the discussion in existing threads.
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I know, but the other tread was a mess. And like I said, no one has to respond; I just want everyone to know where I stand on the issue.
 
I can not deny I think there are positive effects from a child having male (father) and female (mother) influences. I think it provides for good balance for the child.
 
Originally posted by: Jehovah
So you think homosexuals having children aren't "natural"?

You're one of those "creationist" nutjobs, aren't you?
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I am too.

If we evolved from Monkeys, then why are there still monkey around? Why is there a "missing link" We have found evidence to support just about every other theory on Earth, but why not this one?
 
Originally posted by: leinadM
I know, but the other tread was a mess. And like I said, no one has to respond; I just want everyone to know where I stand on the issue.
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It's clear, you're intolerant of anybody with views different from your own.
 
Originally posted by: 911paramedic
Originally posted by: leinadM
Originally posted by: Hatari Chic
Lesson 4 - never start a new thread to continue the discussion in existing threads.
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I know, but the other tread was a mess. And like I said, no one has to respond; I just want everyone to know where I stand on the issue.
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It's clear, you're intolerant of anybody with views different from your own.
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What makes you think that? Really, I want to know...

 
Originally posted by: leinadM
Originally posted by: 911paramedic
Originally posted by: leinadM

I know, but the other tread was a mess. And like I said, no one has to respond; I just want everyone to know where I stand on the issue.
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It's clear, you're intolerant of anybody with views different from your own.
Click to expand...

What makes you think that? Really, I want to know...
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Your language is strongly oppositional, to start with.

I just want everyone to know where I stand.

Firstly, the main reason that I?m against homosexuals raising children is simply because it is unnatural; and I believe that a child is meant to be raised by a father and mother (who can disagree?). As for the other things I said, forget them; they were said in the heat of battle, and though I?m not saying that I?ve changed my mind about certain things; I should have known better than to say something in a forum that I didn?t have immediate proof of.

Secondly - concerning the topic of God and homosexuals - God obviously says that homosexuality is wrong. But so are many of the things that I seem to do everyday. So I?m not going judge anyone, because no sin is really any worse than another, such, fornication, lust, hatred, etc; sin is sin, and God hates it.

Concerning God?s tolerance: God is NOT tolerant towards sin. What could make anyone think that? Yes, he loves us all. And he will forgive us of anything if we ask; but ultimately, if one continues to go through life and never asks for forgiveness and God into his heart, then he will go to hell. Is the Bible not pretty clear on that? Some people can only talk about God?s love; and that is dangerous. There?s a reason for hell, you know.
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Your language makes absolutist statements that are exclusionary and invite people to fight with you. That's not to say that absolutist statements can't be true, or that they're wrong because they're exclusionary, just that if you say them like that, people automatically see themselves as set on the other side of some line you drew in the sand, and they're more likely to argue than to listen or try to see your point of view.
 
Originally posted by: Hatari Chic
Originally posted by: leinadM
Originally posted by: 911paramedic
Originally posted by: leinadM

I know, but the other tread was a mess. And like I said, no one has to respond; I just want everyone to know where I stand on the issue.
Click to expand...
It's clear, you're intolerant of anybody with views different from your own.
Click to expand...

What makes you think that? Really, I want to know...
Click to expand...

Your language is strongly oppositional, to start with.

I just want everyone to know where I stand.

Firstly, the main reason that I?m against homosexuals raising children is simply because it is unnatural; and I believe that a child is meant to be raised by a father and mother (who can disagree?). As for the other things I said, forget them; they were said in the heat of battle, and though I?m not saying that I?ve changed my mind about certain things; I should have known better than to say something in a forum that I didn?t have immediate proof of.

Secondly - concerning the topic of God and homosexuals - God obviously says that homosexuality is wrong. But so are many of the things that I seem to do everyday. So I?m not going judge anyone, because no sin is really any worse than another, such, fornication, lust, hatred, etc; sin is sin, and God hates it.

Concerning God?s tolerance: God is NOT tolerant towards sin. What could make anyone think that? Yes, he loves us all. And he will forgive us of anything if we ask; but ultimately, if one continues to go through life and never asks for forgiveness and God into his heart, then he will go to hell. Is the Bible not pretty clear on that? Some people can only talk about God?s love; and that is dangerous. There?s a reason for hell, you know.
Click to expand...

Your language makes absolutist statements that are exclusionary and invite people to fight with you. That's not to say that absolutist statements can't be true, or that they're wrong because they're exclusionary, just that if you say them like that, people automatically see themselves as set on the other side of some line you drew in the sand, and they're more likely to argue than to listen or try to see your point of view.
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I understand what you are saying, but you know, there are some things that simply cannot be watered-down.
 
I understand what you are saying, but you know, there are some things that simply cannot be watered-down.
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One of those things is Hatari's Lesson 4.
One thread, please. Sell flamebait somewhere else. We're all stocked up here.
 
It's not that you're not entitled to your opinion, it's just that bible thumping christian trolls offend my own dedication to the great true lord, satan.
 
Originally posted by: leinadM

I understand what you are saying, but you know, there are some things that simply cannot be watered-down.
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Even things that cannot be watered down can require a gradual approach and a developed relationship to provide context for the discussion.
 
Originally posted by: Hatari Chic
Originally posted by: leinadM

I understand what you are saying, but you know, there are some things that simply cannot be watered-down.
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Even things that cannot be watered down can require a gradual approach and a developed relationship to provide context for the discussion.
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Did you just ask me out for a beer?

 
Originally posted by: iwearnosox
It's not that you're not entitled to your opinion, it's just that bible thumping christian trolls offend my own dedication to the great true lord, satan.
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lmfao 😀
 
Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Originally posted by: Hatari Chic
Originally posted by: leinadM

I understand what you are saying, but you know, there are some things that simply cannot be watered-down.
Click to expand...

Even things that cannot be watered down can require a gradual approach and a developed relationship to provide context for the discussion.
Click to expand...
Did you just ask me out for a beer?
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What's this, the fourth time you've jocularly hit on me? I'll direct you to Zenmervolt - he answers my fan mail. 😛 (All two pieces of it!)
 
Originally posted by: Hatari Chic
Originally posted by: leinadM

I understand what you are saying, but you know, there are some things that simply cannot be watered-down.
Click to expand...

Even things that cannot be watered down can require a gradual approach and a developed relationship to provide context for the discussion.
Click to expand...

There's a time for a gradual approach, and there's a time for the straight foreword truth.
 
Originally posted by: Ulfwald
Originally posted by: Jehovah
So you think homosexuals having children aren't "natural"?

You're one of those "creationist" nutjobs, aren't you?
Click to expand...

I am too.

If we evolved from Monkeys, then why are there still monkey around? Why is there a "missing link" We have found evidence to support just about every other theory on Earth, but why not this one?
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Well there's no proof of Creationism either so what's your point?
 
Originally posted by: leinadM
Originally posted by: Hatari Chic
Originally posted by: leinadM

I understand what you are saying, but you know, there are some things that simply cannot be watered-down.
Click to expand...

Even things that cannot be watered down can require a gradual approach and a developed relationship to provide context for the discussion.
Click to expand...

There's a time for a gradual approach, and there's a time for the straight foreword truth.
Click to expand...

And those times are regulated to when they will each be effective. Do you think the straightforward approach has been effective here?
 
Originally posted by: leinadM
Originally posted by: Hatari Chic
Originally posted by: leinadM

I understand what you are saying, but you know, there are some things that simply cannot be watered-down.
Click to expand...

Even things that cannot be watered down can require a gradual approach and a developed relationship to provide context for the discussion.
Click to expand...

There's a time for a gradual approach, and there's a time for the straight foreword truth.
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leinadM - straight foreward truth since Dec 2002! ?

 
Originally posted by: Hatari Chic
Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Originally posted by: Hatari Chic
Originally posted by: leinadM

I understand what you are saying, but you know, there are some things that simply cannot be watered-down.
Click to expand...

Even things that cannot be watered down can require a gradual approach and a developed relationship to provide context for the discussion.
Click to expand...
Did you just ask me out for a beer?
Click to expand...

What's this, the fourth time you've jocularly hit on me? I'll direct you to Zenmervolt - he answers my fan mail. 😛 (All two pieces of it!)
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jocularly? I don't bet on horses, sorry.
rolleye.gif
 
Originally posted by: Hatari Chic
Originally posted by: leinadM
Originally posted by: Hatari Chic
Originally posted by: leinadM

I understand what you are saying, but you know, there are some things that simply cannot be watered-down.
Click to expand...

Even things that cannot be watered down can require a gradual approach and a developed relationship to provide context for the discussion.
Click to expand...

There's a time for a gradual approach, and there's a time for the straight foreword truth.
Click to expand...

And those times are regulated to when they will each be effective. Do you think the straightforward approach has been effective here?
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I don't think anything would be effective here.
 
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