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Lifer
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Originally posted by: skace
The speed limit is a mockery and a joke of the legal system. If it weren't every person speeding would be pulled over. But instead, every person driving is speeding and the only people that are pulled over are those that go beyond an imaginery limit, such as 50 in a 30 or 90 in a 55. These are the imaginery limits that are in place. Because everyone else is going 40 in a 30 and 80 in a 55. But instead of updating the limits, they'd rather pull people over based on these imaginery limits so that they can ensure a massive fine.

the legal limit is about lower than what the physical limit because of safety issues.
 

Nitemare

Lifer
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Jaywalking is inherently more dangerous as well as against the law as well, but I don't see revenue collectors taking their money.
 

Nitemare

Lifer
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Keep in mind that the speed limits the US has were created during the Nixon administration for fuel savings, not safety. Only after the police departments became addicted to the newfound revenue did they begin marketing it as being "for your safety".

The 55 mph speed limit came as a result of the 1973 Arab oil embargo. Gas was rationed at stations and a low speed limit was imposed to save fuel. The police strictly enforced this law in order to save fuel. It did save fuel, and the police found that they got a lot of revenue from this. After the embargo ended, the government did not let up on the speed limit. There was too much revenue at stake. Nowadays the speed limit is enforced for the revenue it provides, and the justification they give is that it's for your safety. Learn history and find out how this is a lie.

Governments *rarely* let up on "temporary" taxes/laws once they see a new revenue stream and become dependent on it.

aka federal income tax.... :D
 

Excelsior

Lifer
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Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
OP: Never move to michigan. You'll be a liability.

I think I stated several times now that I myself do speed. However I acknowledge the fact that i'm not right the entire time i'm doing it, unlike others who believe that the "flow of traffic" is above all law.

Right, and I agree with that. I doubt I would try to use such an argument if I ever got a speeding ticket.."Uh..but officer..I was going with the flow". Nahhhh.

I see what you are saying now, sort of. However, I always "speed". In a 45 I always go 50..in a 65 I always go at least 70...in a 35 I go 40.

I have yet to get a ticket, and I will continue to go 5 over, most of the time (unless weather is bad). If I get pulled for going 70 in a 65 on our local freeway..I will practically laugh at the policeman because NO ONE GETS PULLED FOR GOING THAT SPEED. :)

 
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Originally posted by: J0hnny
Originally posted by: jondercik
Speeding tickets are just used to create income for the city or state. Speed doesnt kill.

Finally, someone who isn't a sheep like the rest of you idiots.


Speed doesn't kill? Take some simple physics. The faster you are, the longer it takes to slow down given a constant acceleration. We are not factoring in speed and acceleration only, but you need to observe TIME AND DISTANCE. Walls don't become further because you speed. When you speed, you probably tailgate and what not.

If speed doesn't kill then high speed drivers should get in less accidents.
 

Slvrtg277

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Sep 9, 2004
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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: J0hnny
Originally posted by: jondercik
Speeding tickets are just used to create income for the city or state. Speed doesnt kill.

Finally, someone who isn't a sheep like the rest of you idiots.


Speed doesn't kill? Take some simple physics. The faster you are, the longer it takes to slow down given a constant acceleration. We are not factoring in speed and acceleration only, but you need to observe TIME AND DISTANCE. Walls don't become further because you speed. When you speed, you probably tailgate and what not.

If speed doesn't kill then high speed drivers should get in less accidents.

I thought the accident rate was lower than ours in Europe....particularly on the Autobahn.
 

Tiamat

Lifer
Nov 25, 2003
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Going with the flow of traffic isn't a viable excuse I have learned :D. In western mass, my dad got pulled over along with 80 other cars that were "going with the flow". That was an interesting speed trap - you could hear angry families shouting at the cops -- a great waste of 40 minutes :/
 

Leper Messiah

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Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
OP: Never move to michigan. You'll be a liability.

I think I stated several times now that I myself do speed. However I acknowledge the fact that i'm not right the entire time i'm doing it, unlike others who believe that the "flow of traffic" is above all law.

No, I'm talking you need to do 90 in Michigan just to keep up. Our frickin' limit is 75, and no one sticks to that. MI and MA are notorious for their crazy drivers.
 

Excelsior

Lifer
May 30, 2002
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Originally posted by: Slvrtg277
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: J0hnny
Originally posted by: jondercik
Speeding tickets are just used to create income for the city or state. Speed doesnt kill.

Finally, someone who isn't a sheep like the rest of you idiots.


Speed doesn't kill? Take some simple physics. The faster you are, the longer it takes to slow down given a constant acceleration. We are not factoring in speed and acceleration only, but you need to observe TIME AND DISTANCE. Walls don't become further because you speed. When you speed, you probably tailgate and what not.

If speed doesn't kill then high speed drivers should get in less accidents.

I thought the accident rate was lower than ours in Europe....particularly on the Autobahn.

It probably is..but I thought this was neat.
 

Aftermath

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Sep 2, 2003
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Sometimes, I admittedly get (overly) worked up about speeders. It's mostly because I have a very relaxed, "cruiser" attitude towards interstate travel (which is where I spend the vast majority of my time driving.)

I don't drive around in town much. Usually just to go out and get fast food or groceries. But on the interstate, I usually always do the speed limit. My trips are usually days long. I know where I'm going and how long it will take. I know where I'm stopping for the night. So I hit the interstate, set the cruise control at 65, then try to relax and listen to some books on CD or some music, or just clear my head a bit. But I've also learned over my many traveled miles, that people are downright assholes. They don't care about me, my family, our car, our safety, the environment, anything. Only that they get where they're going as quickly as their vehicle will allow them to within whatever limits.

I shouldn't be TOO harsh, because most of the time, people will just leave me alone over in the slow lane, plodding along. But I always have run-ins with the countless assholes who seem to have some personal vendetta against me, simply because I'm traveling more slowly then they are. I've had people honk, high beam, tailgate, wave, flip me off, shout, spray wiper fluid, and even toss garbage at me for forcing them to move over a lane and go around me.

I've even had to do "extreme" stuff (in my opinion) like reverse pass people. I had one guy ride my ass on a two lane road, at night, with his high beams on. He's in some generic Explorer sized SUV, I was driving the Toyota Matrix I had at the time. Of course his high beams are lighting up the inside of my car like it was day time. I had to adjust ALL of my mirrors to keep the beams from being reflected into my eyes (which were already screwed up from the when he approached me at 400mph.) I got so tired of him following me like this for a few *miles*, that I moved over into the next lane, slowed down, let him gun it like a big macho man, pass me, then move back over again. Of course with plenty of time to see him flip off his high beams seconds later. Of course, that experience was in South Carolina, so I can't say it was a surprise or anything.

I've never blocked traffic by doing the speed limit on a one lane road, for the record. If the road I'm on is one lane, I'll keep pace with the car in front of me. If I'm in the lead, I'll do minimum limit+5. I'll go up to +10, then to +15mph to keep the cars from bunching up behind me. But that's not good enough for some people either. I could probably count off at least a half dozen times in my years of driving that I've had to pull half off onto the shoulder and get people (usually one car) to go around me that insist on "chasing" me around some winding, one lane country road at night with their high beams on, blinding the ever loving crap out of me while I try to take some turn that I can no longer see due to floaters.

Take a half-assed US drivers "education" program that barely teaches kids how to handle a 4-cylinder, automatic, Chevy Malibu without popping every curb; sprinkle in distractions like cell phones, eating, drinking, makeup, newspapers, magazines, gameboys, laptops, getting dressed, shaving, oral sex, DVD players, navigational systems, and screaming kids in the back seat; completely disreguard any marked speed sign as absolute rubbish; add a dash of superiority complex; mix vigerously: voila, the average driver on the interstate.
 

91TTZ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: DLeRium

Speed doesn't kill? Take some simple physics. The faster you are, the longer it takes to slow down given a constant acceleration. We are not factoring in speed and acceleration only, but you need to observe TIME AND DISTANCE. Walls don't become further because you speed. When you speed, you probably tailgate and what not.

If speed doesn't kill then high speed drivers should get in less accidents.

Actually, speed doesn't kill. It's stopping too fast which kills.

PS- the accident rate on the autobahn- where people "speed" compared to the US speed limits, is lower than it is on US highways. I think the main problem here is inattention. People eating/reading newspaper, talking on their cell phone, etc causes them to not watch the road. When you're allowed to drive a limit that you set, you tend to pay more attention to what you're doing. When I have to go 55 mph on a vast stretch of road, I find it hard to pay attention. When Montana had no daytime speed limit a few years ago, their fatality rate did not increase. In fact, it went down slightly.
 

Excelsior

Lifer
May 30, 2002
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Aftermath, you are running with the cruise on in the right lane right? If so..yeah..no problem.
 

MaxFusion16

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55mph on a perfectly straight and well maintained highway is just nonsense.

hence I never obey it, I always go 70mph+, often 80mph. I have not a single ticket, nor any accidents.

cops even openly speed, often in excess of 70mph with the siren off.

so i've learned to drive according to the laws of physics, not some BS number set by some politician.
 

huesmann

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Actually, speed doesn't kill. It's stopping too fast which kills.
I think it's called sudden instantaneous deceleration syndrome. ;)
 

Triumph

Lifer
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I put about as much thought into following the speed limit as the person who set it.
 

OFFascist

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Jun 10, 2002
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Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
No. Actually I am right and the law is on my side OFFascist. That is the whole point of this post. Did you read any of it? If you did apparently you missed every point I made.

In Texas the law may state "unreasonable speed" but in the court system the judge interprets the "reasonable speed" to be the posted speed limit.

It doesnt matter how the Judge, Prosecutor, or the Police interpret a "reasonable speed" to be. In Texas unlike alot of states that are geared for pure revenue generation, we have a right to a trial, and the only interpretation that matters is that of that jury.

 

OFFascist

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Jun 10, 2002
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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Speed doesn't kill?

No, it generally doesnt.

I'm sure if you had enough acceleration on your body that it would tear you apart and in that cause I guess speed can kill, but most car accidents are caused by the quick deceleration known as a crash.

When you speed, you probably tailgate and what not.

Thats some crackhead logic. I drive faster than the speed limit alot of times but I never tailgate.

If speed doesn't kill then high speed drivers should get in less accidents.

Why? There is little corelation between speeding and car crashes. The corelation is between not paying attention to the road and your surroundings and car crashes. I doubt there is any corelation between speeding and not paying attention to the road.
 

EyeMWing

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Jun 13, 2003
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Originally posted by: OFFascist
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
No. Actually I am right and the law is on my side OFFascist. That is the whole point of this post. Did you read any of it? If you did apparently you missed every point I made.

In Texas the law may state "unreasonable speed" but in the court system the judge interprets the "reasonable speed" to be the posted speed limit.

It doesnt matter how the Judge, Prosecutor, or the Police interpret a "reasonable speed" to be. In Texas unlike alot of states that are geared for pure revenue generation, we have a right to a trial, and the only interpretation that matters is that of that jury.

Most states won't let you do trial by jury for minor violations like speeding.
 

OFFascist

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Jun 10, 2002
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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Most states won't let you do trial by jury for minor violations like speeding.

Like I said those states are geared towards revenue generation, not safety or even justice.

I'm definately glad I live in a state that still respects your right to trial by jury even for "minor violations."

IMO if the violations are so minor, then why do the fines cost more than 10hrs of me working to pay them off.
 

EyeMWing

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Jun 13, 2003
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Originally posted by: OFFascist
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Most states won't let you do trial by jury for minor violations like speeding.

Like I said those states are geared towards revenue generation, not safety or even justice.

I'm definately glad I live in a state that still respects your right to trial by jury even for "minor violations."

IMO if the violations are so minor, then why do the fines cost more than 10hrs of me working to pay them off.

My error, I misread you.